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Old 01-07-2014, 11:11 PM   #1
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Fords response to the Z28

By now I'm sure we have all seen the Z28 and it's 7.0l engine, but more importantly what do you guys think ford will knock it down with?
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By now I'm sure we have all seen the Z28 and it's 7.0l engine, but more importantly what do you guys think ford will knock it down with?
SVT cars.
Mach 1 will probably become our track car and the cobra will be exactly that, the cobra
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SVT cars.
Mach 1 will probably become our track car and the cobra will be exactly that, the cobra
So its been confirmed that svt will make its own mustang in 2015+?

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So its been confirmed that svt will make its own mustang in 2015+?

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Like ram being it's own thing now and viper is srt
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Like ram being it's own thing now and viper is srt
Its probably for the best. They will go all out. But the price probably will as well
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Its probably for the best. They will go all out. But the price probably will as well
As they always have, even with the Shelby's.

The 03/04 cobras new back in the day were 30-35k
Now Shelby's are 60-70k

Prices in automobiles have really changed.
I expect to see the SVT cars priced above 50k

If they make a Mach 1 45k
Terminator/Cobra: 55-65k

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Ford has always beat Chevy pricing tho.

The bosses were a track car, and they were not any where near 75k starting
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As they always have, even with the Shelby's.

The 03/04 cobras new back in the day were 30-35k
Now Shelby's are 60-70k

Prices in automobiles have really changed.
I expect to see the SVT cars priced above 50k

If they make a Mach 1 45k
Terminator/Cobra: 55-65k

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Ford has always beat Chevy pricing tho.

The bosses were a track car, and they were not any where near 75k starting
I think its that new woman CEO GM has now. She probably didn't get any D the week they presented the Z28, and thought she would punish all men by raising the price tag in the board room meeting
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I think its that new woman CEO GM has now. She probably didn't get any D the week they presented the Z28, and thought she would punish all men by raising the price tag in the board room meeting
This^
Hahaha.

Good thing I drive a ford though.
Not a fan of the current camaro body...

I liked 67- late 70s... That's about it
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This^
Hahaha.

Good thing I drive a ford though.
Not a fan of the current camaro body...

I liked 67- late 70s... That's about it
I like the 4th gen but I swear on everything evergone I've met with one is a friggin dbag :-/. There's a lot of dbag mustang drivers too though, more camaro owners IME
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As they always have, even with the Shelby's.

The 03/04 cobras new back in the day were 30-35k
Now Shelby's are 60-70k

Prices in automobiles have really changed.
I expect to see the SVT cars priced above 50k

If they make a Mach 1 45k
Terminator/Cobra: 55-65k

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Ford has always beat Chevy pricing tho.

The bosses were a track car, and they were not any where near 75k starting

The Mach 1 or Cobra better have Magnetic ride control. Or I ain't wasting my money.
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Why does Ford need a response to the Z28? I doubt the Z28 will sell that well. Majority of GM enthusiasts who are willing to spend 75,000 dollars on a sports car will be buying a vette not a Camaro. I don't care how great of a track car the Z28 is, at the end of the day its a Camaro and not a Corvette. Dump enough money into a lot of cars and they can be made fast and handle awesome. Its like the ZL1, you hardly see them. Too much money for a Camaro when one can buy a Corvette. Camaro is the poor mans Corvette.
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Why does Ford need a response to the Z28? I doubt the Z28 will sell that well. Majority of GM enthusiasts who are willing to spend 75,000 dollars on a sports car will be buying a vette not a Camaro. I don't care how great of a track car the Z28 is, at the end of the day its a Camaro and not a Corvette. Dump enough money into a lot of cars and they can be made fast and handle awesome. Its like the ZL1, you hardly see them. Too much money for a Camaro when one can buy a Corvette. Camaro is the poor mans Corvette.
This. Although one of the pilots who works upstairs dropped $60k or whatever on a ZL1 in 2012. And then smacked the rear quarter into a pole and had it in the body shop for 5 months... I laughed.
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Why does Ford need a response to the Z28? I doubt the Z28 will sell that well. Majority of GM enthusiasts who are willing to spend 75,000 dollars on a sports car will be buying a vette not a Camaro. I don't care how great of a track car the Z28 is, at the end of the day its a Camaro and not a Corvette. Dump enough money into a lot of cars and they can be made fast and handle awesome. Its like the ZL1, you hardly see them. Too much money for a Camaro when one can buy a Corvette. Camaro is the poor mans Corvette.
If there wasn't a mustang, I'd buy a used c6 z06 before dropping huge amounts on a ZL1.

The ZL1 doesn't impress me... Big engine with a blower low horse.
Gt500 small motor with a blower huge horse.
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IIRC the ZL1 is NA. But yeah honestly I think the earlier regular C6 vettes are some of the best values out there. LS2 devaules it a little but is still a monster. Cam only and a few bolt ons you are well over the 500whp mark without even breaking a sweat. Heck, I'd love a C5 even. No idea why ppl drop the $$$ on some of these cars. One reason I have not bought a new 5.0 is I just can't justify the cost. Maybe now that nice ones are dropping to the low $20k range but still... new they are what $40k? No thanks...
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If there wasn't a mustang, I'd buy a used c6 z06 before dropping huge amounts on a ZL1.

The ZL1 doesn't impress me... Big engine with a blower low horse.
Gt500 small motor with a blower huge horse.
Exactly my point. Very few people are gonna spend 65k or 75k on a Camaro. Sure someone out there will do it, but not many. 999 out of 1000 will buy a Vette for 75k not a Camaro. The Gt500 is different because that's Fords version of a Corvette. The top tier performance vehicle. Its like Ford making a factory Fusion to be faster than a Gt500. Makes no sense.
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If there wasn't a mustang, I'd buy a used c6 z06 before dropping huge amounts on a ZL1.

The ZL1 doesn't impress me... Big engine with a blower low horse.
Gt500 small motor with a blower huge horse.

You must be referring to the size of the displacement... Compare the physical engine size, the 5.8S/C is much physically bigger than the LSA
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Exactly my point. Very few people are gonna spend 65k or 75k on a Camaro. Sure someone out there will do it, but not many. 999 out of 1000 will buy a Vette for 75k not a Camaro. The Gt500 is different because that's Fords version of a Corvette. The top tier performance vehicle. Its like Ford making a factory Fusion to be faster than a Gt500. Makes no sense.

Idk maybe the Vette owners like the camaro better but it didn't usually perform as well, now they might get one.
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Its probably for the best. They will go all out. But the price probably will as well
Have you priced a Z28? The SVT's price will most likely be comparable.

Speed costs money; more speed costs more money. How fast do you want to go?

It seems these high priced models get bought by investors; they rarely see the streets. Then in a couple of years, we see them on the TV auction shows.

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IIRC the ZL1 is NA. But yeah honestly I think the earlier regular C6 vettes are some of the best values out there. LS2 devaules it a little but is still a monster. Cam only and a few bolt ons you are well over the 500whp mark without even breaking a sweat. Heck, I'd love a C5 even. No idea why ppl drop the $$$ on some of these cars. One reason I have not bought a new 5.0 is I just can't justify the cost. Maybe now that nice ones are dropping to the low $20k range but still... new they are what $40k? No thanks...
I agree. In a couple of years these coyotes will be more than affordable. In fact that's probably what my future kids will be buying as a crappy used first car lol.
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Crappy first used car? My crappy first used car was a 1964 VW bug. Now that's crappy!
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Crappy first used car? My crappy first used car was a 1964 VW bug. Now that's crappy!
You should have made it into a Baja bug conversion!
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A $50k Mustang or a $50k Camaro at retail? Not track/sport specific? Not bought to win a specific race or title? IDK.

$50k is Vette territory, and the game played is 'SuperCar.' I'd rather put 20-25 into an 11-14 GT, and custom build it to excel at whatever, beat a Porsche or a BMW in a solocross, beat a Vette between stoplights.

IDK. These S197 Coyotes will seem to grow into whatever shape of dueling sword or pistol you prefer. Who needs to spend more just to ante and get in the game?
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A $50k Mustang or a $50k Camaro at retail? Not track/sport specific? Not bought to win a specific race or title? IDK.

$50k is Vette territory, and the game played is 'SuperCar.' I'd rather put 20-25 into an 11-14 GT, and custom build it to excel at whatever, beat a Porsche or a BMW in a solocross, beat a Vette between stoplights.

IDK. These S197 Coyotes will seem to grow into whatever shape of dueling sword or pistol you prefer. Who needs to spend more just to ante and get in the game?
That's any car with enough money. Hell I can make the same argument for some $2k Fox I find in an old guy's garage, drop $20k into it and come out $20k ahead of the cheapest nice Coyote you'll find lol.

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Why does Ford need a response to the Z28? I doubt the Z28 will sell that well. Majority of GM enthusiasts who are willing to spend 75,000 dollars on a sports car will be buying a vette not a Camaro. I don't care how great of a track car the Z28 is, at the end of the day its a Camaro and not a Corvette. Dump enough money into a lot of cars and they can be made fast and handle awesome. Its like the ZL1, you hardly see them. Too much money for a Camaro when one can buy a Corvette. Camaro is the poor mans Corvette.
Let the truth be told.
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Let the truth be told.
The truth is that they are making them in limited numbers and you will never see a brand new one sitting in a showroom. The Chevy Fanboys will kill eachother to get one. Ford doesn't currently offer anything that can compete with it either. Something special will be coming our way soon, but it won't be cheap
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You should have made it into a Baja bug conversion!
I did actually!

Back on topic, it's no wonder GM needed our money to bail them out. And this is their answer.

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