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Old 01-08-2014, 11:10 PM   #1
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question about h pipes

So I was thinking about ordering one but the ones I've been able to find are more than $500. So the question, will the different h pipe really make a difference as far as sound? To where its actually noticeable not just a slight difference?
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Chatted or non catted? Lethal performance sells cat less h pipes for under 300. It will change the sound and make it much louder. If you go cat less it will be a nice increase in sound.
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Chatted or non catted? Lethal performance sells cat less h pipes for under 300. It will change the sound and make it much louder. If you go cat less it will be a nice increase in sound.
Thanks, that says its only "off road use"? Does that mean it won't pass emissions?
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It will not pass emissions. If you need to pass emissions you can weld cats in or mrt has a catted h pipe and bbk has a catted x pipe.
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Thanks, that says its only "off road use"? Does that mean it won't pass emissions?
Not passing a sniff test (if required in your state/provedence) would be the least of your worries. Huge fine if you go to sell it or trade it in without cats. Even with an "as is" sale, the buyer can renig on the deal, as it's a federal offense to remove them.

Unless you are flat out dragging the car 100%, I see no reason why they need to be removed and take the risk driving on public roads. Sooner or later, you'll get a police officer having a bad day, or want to sell it or trade it in on a new vehicle, and that's when the problem can come back to get you.
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Not passing a sniff test (if required in your state/provedence) would be the least of your worries. Huge fine if you go to sell it or trade it in without cats. Even with an "as is" sale, the buyer can renig on the deal, as it's a federal offense to remove them.

Unless you are flat out dragging the car 100%, I see no reason why they need to be removed and take the risk driving on public roads. Sooner or later, you'll get a police officer having a bad day, or want to sell it or trade it in on a new vehicle, and that's when the problem can come back to get you.
Thanks, i didn't know it was actually illegal. Now i don't see it worth it. I guess ill see what i can do about it.

Another thing, if i was to add catts to the lethalperformance h pipe i think may be my best option. The only other thing is the pipe is 2.5" which i thought is the same as the stock x pipe. Will it still change the sound even though its the same diameter?
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Not passing a sniff test (if required in your state/provedence) would be the least of your worries. Huge fine if you go to sell it or trade it in without cats. Even with an "as is" sale, the buyer can renig on the deal, as it's a federal offense to remove them.

Unless you are flat out dragging the car 100%, I see no reason why they need to be removed and take the risk driving on public roads. Sooner or later, you'll get a police officer having a bad day, or want to sell it or trade it in on a new vehicle, and that's when the problem can come back to get you.
It no offense hear in wv to remove the cats, sell the car or trade it in catless. You might not get a sticker without cats if they look. We don't have the emissions test yet. I have traded in several vehicles without cats. I usually just took the car to the shop and had them remove the cat and put in a piece of pipe. Sometimes they would bust the stuff out of the cat and put it back on but the last time I had that done there was some left and it rattled in the cat so I just have them removed. The last time I had it done was about 6 years ago on an old lumina euro.
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Not passing a sniff test (if required in your state/provedence) would be the least of your worries. Huge fine if you go to sell it or trade it in without cats. Even with an "as is" sale, the buyer can renig on the deal, as it's a federal offense to remove them.

Unless you are flat out dragging the car 100%, I see no reason why they need to be removed and take the risk driving on public roads. Sooner or later, you'll get a police officer having a bad day, or want to sell it or trade it in on a new vehicle, and that's when the problem can come back to get you.

It's all depends of your state in texas we do not have to have them unless your in a big city. I'm in a small town and have never had any problem with out cats nor has anybody else I know that has not had cats
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It's all depends of your state in texas we do not have to have them unless your in a big city. I'm in a small town and have never had any problem with out cats nor has anybody else I know that has not had cats
Same in Florida and Alaska. Neither have emissions testing, so you can run catless
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Folks, your missing the issue; while it may not be a state requirement as to operating with cats, it's a FEDERAL law that requires them:

Federal Law Catalytic Converters? - Ask.com

And this:

"According to Title II of the EPA Clean Air Act (Enacted Jan 1 1988) there are multiple regulations concerning the use or misuse of aftermarket catalytic converters, or the removal and/or modification of a stock catalytic converter. According to various parts of Section 203, all aftermarket catalytic converters must be EPA certified, and your car must have a gas conversion device of some manner. If not, both you and the installer are punishable of a Federal Offense by Section 205 (a). The operator's fine can be no more than $2,500 and the installation agency no more than $25,000.

It is also important to note the 1988 establishment of this statute, which could probably be your best legal defense to anyone operating a pre-1988 vehicle with street-illegal equipment. It is in the courts' hands to prove your system was installed post-1988 beyond a shadow of a doubt, as they cannot try you ex post facto. This would at least be helpful in any sort of plea-bargaining."


So, if they can prove YOU did the install, then you could be responsible for both fines. Difficult for them to do this, yes, but the $2,500.00 fine would be easy enough.

I checked with a local car dealership on what they do about a "cat-less" car being traded in...they stated either the trade in value is depretiated by the cost that it takes for the dealership to install them, or they eat the cost. The dealership CANNOT leagally sell a car to someone else without cats, of the vehicle came with cats initially. They too can be fined for this, or required to install them at their expense. Can they go after the person who traded it in? I do not know that answer.

If you remove them, I'd save them for re-install when it comes time to trade it in or sell it.
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I think that would probably be towards getting stickers and such. I mean the place that does the stickers is the ones who took them off for me but we are not as strict in wv and I am sure a federal marshall isn't going to stop you and check for cats. If someone doesn't check a car out before they buy it then I am sure they will eat the cost. Now a dealer could not sell one without cats or they would be in trouble. But, since we only sell or trade out own car with no business license, I really don't think they can do much. It would be really funny for the feds to come around here and be like "excuse me sir, you sold your car without cats". Maybe in a big city maybe. I do realize what your saying though.
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