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Old 02-01-2014, 01:08 PM   #1
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Building a mod list for my 2013 V6. curious as to how much I can get away with before tuning. For now, I'd like to do CAI, exhaust (cat-back), throttle body & spacer. Can I do any of these pre-tune? I won't be able to purchase all at one time, but should I purchase as I can and hold off until I can have all the above ready and able to purchase/install a tuner?
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Building a mod list for my 2013 V6. curious as to how much I can get away with before tuning. For now, I'd like to do CAI, exhaust (cat-back), throttle body & spacer. Can I do any of these pre-tune? I won't be able to purchase all at one time, but should I purchase as I can and hold off until I can have all the above ready and able to purchase/install a tuner?

Stick with catback and CAI. I can vouch for the TB spacer. But it WONT work with the bigger BBK TB.
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Stick with catback and CAI. I can vouch for the TB spacer. But it WONT work with the bigger BBK TB.
so you have the spacer?
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so you have the spacer?

Yup yup. Some say it's just a paper weight. But I felt a difference.
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In short: I'd say get the cat-back exhaust first, for sure! Secondly, I'd get a tune. Why? Bolt-ons always seem to net more power when the computer knows how to properly utilize them. Why run around with all of these bolt-ons if you can't even put them to work?

In long: non-tuned CAI's on the 11'-14's aren't worth it. Drop in a high-flow filter and come back to a CAI when you've done everything else. The CAI's that require a tune seem to net the most power as well. I've heard the 3.7's OEM TB is very efficient and without some sort of forced induction, an upgraded TB would be a waste. As far as TB spacers go, I've heard they're hit or miss.

So to sum it up, a CAI, larger TB, and TB spacer (without a tune) definitely wouldn't hurt, but why spend (roughly) $400+ for 10 HP and TQ?
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Do u have a manual? If so get a mgw
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I thought CAI no matter non tune needed or tune needed all result a similar dyno number
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bolt-ons in order

The idea behind a spacer is it spins your air before detonation to mix the fuel and air better.....This would work if our intake manifold was straight down not a L shape. So it does nothing but make a sound. If u were referring to ur car now whistling then you are right.


I'd go Airaid CAI, Catback, after cat xpipe (or if u plan on long tubes then nvm), 373 gears.

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This is a great question. Bolt on's, in what order? Pretty subjective. I'd ask, what are your expectations? As I see it, there "should be" a package that nets a given horsepower and torque improvement for one price that comes with a guarantee from that source. Say, a 20 HP and 25 lb.ft. torque improvement. Dyno proven or better yet track proven. I think those numbers are all we could hope for with bolt on's. Most bolt on's don't improve low end torque and that's what this engine lacks. Getting 305 HP from 227 inches is amazing enough, then trying to get more with simple bolt on's is going to be a tough deal. Fun for the buck, it has to be 3.55 or 3.73 gears depending on the tire size. I have zero engine mods. I picked up 3/10ths in the quarter with just a gear change and it's way more fun to drive. FYI, my 3.55 gears become 3.75 with a 26" Hoosier drag radial. That's about 5800 rpm at the stripe in 4th gear @ 102mph. Until I can dead hook launch @ 4250 (max torque) it makes no sense to me to do engine mods. JMO. Have fun.
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Yup yup. Some say it's just a paper weight. But I felt a difference.

I've heard both ways on it. Sort of curious to find out for myself...

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In short: I'd say get the cat-back exhaust first, for sure! Secondly, I'd get a tune. Why? Bolt-ons always seem to net more power when the computer knows how to properly utilize them. Why run around with all of these bolt-ons if you can't even put them to work?

In long: non-tuned CAI's on the 11'-14's aren't worth it. Drop in a high-flow filter and come back to a CAI when you've done everything else. The CAI's that require a tune seem to net the most power as well. I've heard the 3.7's OEM TB is very efficient and without some sort of forced induction, an upgraded TB would be a waste. As far as TB spacers go, I've heard they're hit or miss.

So to sum it up, a CAI, larger TB, and TB spacer (without a tune) definitely wouldn't hurt, but why spend (roughly) $400+ for 10 HP and TQ?

This is what I was looking for.... thanks for the info! i'll be looking into exhaust first then. what would be your best recommendation on exhaust? I don't want to be too loud, but I want it to sound throaty (as much as possible for V6). I had the Flowmaster Force II axlebacks on my 2011 and I liked the sound, but curious to explorer other options like possibly Borla. I hear the performance of Borla is pretty impressive.

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Do u have a manual? If so get a mgw

yes, it is manual. good idea!

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This is a great question. Bolt on's, in what order? Pretty subjective. I'd ask, what are your expectations? As I see it, there "should be" a package that nets a given horsepower and torque improvement for one price that comes with a guarantee from that source. Say, a 20 HP and 25 lb.ft. torque improvement. Dyno proven or better yet track proven. I think those numbers are all we could hope for with bolt on's. Most bolt on's don't improve low end torque and that's what this engine lacks. Getting 305 HP from 227 inches is amazing enough, then trying to get more with simple bolt on's is going to be a tough deal. Fun for the buck, it has to be 3.55 or 3.73 gears depending on the tire size. I have zero engine mods. I picked up 3/10ths in the quarter with just a gear change and it's way more fun to drive. FYI, my 3.55 gears become 3.75 with a 26" Hoosier drag radial. That's about 5800 rpm at the stripe in 4th gear @ 102mph. Until I can dead hook launch @ 4250 (max torque) it makes no sense to me to do engine mods. JMO. Have fun.

the gears sound like a great idea. as far as expectations, I just want to make the car [even] more fun to drive. not looking to take her to the track and compete. just like to get what I can out of her NA and have some fun with it.
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Gears....no tune required ford can do the calibration free.

Then catback

Then tuner (MPT, Jon Lund, Steeda, AED, Rev Auto)

Steeda CAI

O/ R Mid pipe (Or Long Tube Headers)

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Port TB and Polish.

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Gears....no tune required ford can do the calibration free.

Then catback

Then tuner (MPT, Jon Lund, Steeda, AED, Rev Auto)

Steeda CAI

O/ R Mid pipe (Or Long Tube Headers)

Port intake mani

Port TB and Polish.

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thanks! didn't realize ford would do the calibration for gears.
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I as well desire a very deep and throaty exhaust. I went with Borla Stingers. Very deep and no rasp. You'll probably either want Borla Touring or Borla S-Types (just the new name for Stingers). The Touring axle-backs I've heard are deep but aren't too loud. The S-Types are loud but not too loud for cruising, but can be very loud at high RPM's, so since you have a manual shift lower if you're trying to be quiet (which is a nice feature about the S-Types).

You may also want to stick with an h-pipe and not an x-pipe because you have a V6.
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I don't think they sell much h pipe for v6
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I don't think they sell much h pipe for v6
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ford put h-pipes on our 'Stangs out of the factory? If so, just keep the factory h-pipe and you're good to go.
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How much hp can a cat back usually provide?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ford put h-pipes on our 'Stangs out of the factory? If so, just keep the factory h-pipe and you're good to go.
The 3.7 has a hybrid mid pipe from the factory it's a mix between h & x!
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How much hp can a cat back usually provide?
Maybe 5-10hp.
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I as well desire a very deep and throaty exhaust. I went with Borla Stingers. Very deep and no rasp. You'll probably either want Borla Touring or Borla S-Types (just the new name for Stingers). The Touring axle-backs I've heard are deep but aren't too loud. The S-Types are loud but not too loud for cruising, but can be very loud at high RPM's, so since you have a manual shift lower if you're trying to be quiet (which is a nice feature about the S-Types).

You may also want to stick with an h-pipe and not an x-pipe because you have a V6.


thanks for the info on the stingers. i'll probably go that way.
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The 3.7 has a hybrid mid pipe from the factory it's a mix between h & x!
Oh wow, never heard of something like that. Thanks for the info.
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thanks for the info on the stingers. i'll probably go that way.
Glad I could help. Check out YouTube just to get an idea what they'd sound like on your V6 (I have a GT so results may vary). AmericanMuscle has 'sound clip' videos, but I feel like those are hit or miss.
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Oh wow, never heard of something like that. Thanks for the info.
Yea I was surprised too! Haha. NP man!
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Glad I could help. Check out YouTube just to get an idea what they'd sound like on your V6 (I have a GT so results may vary). AmericanMuscle has 'sound clip' videos, but I feel like those are hit or miss.
yes, I've listened to a few clips but it doesn't truly capture the sound. but I do like the stingers from what I can tell
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