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Old 02-24-2014, 11:47 AM   #1
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2v walk a 3v?

What's it take? Obviously we can't hang mod for mod. I don't need you to remind me of that lol.

Stock 3v - what does a 2v need to walk it.

I know a tuner will bring your tq up into the 320 area on par with the 3v. We weigh like 200-300 lbs less also. With a 93 race tune and flowmasters (not like those really matter) should I be scared of 3v's from a dig?
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2v manual, 3v auto/manual
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Full exhaust, gears, tune, CAI, and some DRs and suspension work!..
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Let me just bring up some data for you to compare:

Horsepower/ Torque
2v: 260HP/302TQ (Bullitt is 270/315)
3v: 300HP/320TQ

Curb Weight (approx)
2v Coupe: 3250 lbs
2v Vert: 3400 lbs
3v Coupe: 3450lbs
3v Vert: 3600 lbs

Stock Gearing:
2v: 3.27
3v: 3.31 (3.55 opt for 5 speed)


So take all this into account, a geared and bolted on and tiny bit of weight reduction 2v should be able to edge out a 3v with good driving.
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Bolt ons, gears, tires, suspension and driver mod. Doesn't really take that much, ppl underestimate the 2Vs but just remember the 3V guy can do all that stuff too.
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Bolt ons, gears, tires, suspension and driver mod. Doesn't really take that much, ppl underestimate the 2Vs but just remember the 3V guy can do all that stuff too.

I was thinking the main thing would be tq, and with just a tune you're in the 320 range. With 200 less lbs. the gearing being 3.55 is nicer. But other than that idk why I would need all bolt ons basically to not be scared of a 3v. Maybe you guys are saying I need all that to walk a 3v.
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I was thinking the main thing would be tq, and with just a tune you're in the 320 range. With 200 less lbs. the gearing being 3.55 is nicer. But other than that idk why I would need all bolt ons basically to not be scared of a 3v. Maybe you guys are saying I need all that to walk a 3v.

Horsepower also does come I to play. Since it's 3 valves it has a bit better top end than the 2v and I believe the redline is a bit higher as well.
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I kinda wanted both. How much mods for walking, and just beating one.
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This is easy. Swap a 4v in a 2v to walk a 3v.
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This is easy. Swap a 4v in a 2v to walk a 3v.

Or put that cash in the motor lol
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Or put that cash in the motor lol
Only if it's an LSx.
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I was thinking the main thing would be tq, and with just a tune you're in the 320 range. With 200 less lbs. the gearing being 3.55 is nicer. But other than that idk why I would need all bolt ons basically to not be scared of a 3v. Maybe you guys are saying I need all that to walk a 3v.
I'm saying power means nothing if you aren't putting it to the ground efficiently. There is also how well you can drive. 200lbs is not going to mean anything, maybe 1 or 2 tenths if you are at a 1/4 track. And if you are worried about HP a bolt on 3V with a canned tune is a 300+whp vehicle. 2V needs cams to get near that and even then. But like I said, what is on paper does not always dictate results. Go race and find out.
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Only if it's an LSx.
Lol yeah with the kits out there these days they are not all that hard to drop in. I would not worry about a 4V swap though. Just toss a bottle on the 2V and there's your 400hp. Little more money and you can supercharge. Unless its a Terminator both the 2V and 4V are limited to 400-425 whp until the rods decide to exit stage right. Both motors can hit that number easily.
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Exactly. The money to put a 4v in I could throw on a the 2v and walk a 3v...
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I had a 1996gt with a 2001 2v 5spd with 3.27 gears and a 2006gt vert auto with 3.31 gears and I would put my money on the 2v anyday.
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Stock 2v vs. assuming stock 3v's
We have beat many many many 3v's on the streets numerous times
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Stock 2v vs. assuming stock 3v's
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Stock 2v vs. assuming stock 3v's
We have beat many many many 3v's on the streets numerous times

I was talking about stock 3v and lightly bolted 2v (including a tune)
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Me and a buddy of mine the main problem your gonna have against a 3v is that there going to hook better if your racing from a dig because there heavier I'm assuming
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The main problem you are going to have is you are giving up a solid 30-40hp. It all boils down to money, he who spent the most usually wins in any platform. Like I said, when the modding starts it all goes out the window.
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I was talking about stock 3v and lightly bolted 2v (including a tune)
2V for sure, friend of mine has an 08gt with a tune, exhaust,cai,3.73, and 5spd. His brother had a 2000gt with the same bolts ons with 3.27 5spd with the exception of a bigger tb. At the track the 2000gt ran 13.40's and the 08 ran 13.60's same night and track. Know the 08 is sporting a vortec SC, different story lol.
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2V for sure, friend of mine has an 08gt with a tune, exhaust,cai,3.73, and 5spd. His brother had a 2000gt with the same bolts ons with 3.27 5spd with the exception of a bigger tb. At the track the 2000gt ran 13.40's and the 08 ran 13.60's same night and track. Know the 08 is sporting a vortec SC, different story lol.

Good to hear. I just wondered if I should have ever been worried about racing "our big brother" lol
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With just a torque arm, LCAs and Mediocre summer tires you will out hook a stock 3v EASILY
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I got 275/40/17's on the back so I seem to get fairly good traction. Traction control is new to me: should it be used in a race? I know ours is older so not sure if it's ok to gun it with.
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With just a torque arm, LCAs and Mediocre summer tires you will out hook a stock 3v EASILY

Lol a torque arm isn't a "simple mod/bolt on" your basically changing the entire geometry of your suspension. And you have to already have subframe connectors and a panhard bar than delete the upper control arms..

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Traction control is for driving in weather. At the track, learn to drive and leave it off.
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Traction control is for driving in weather. At the track, learn to drive and leave it off.

Alright. I should be fine because it seems I get better traction in this GT than I did in my 6. I drove my 6 without TC so I should be fine. I just didn't know how good our TC really was. It's pretty old
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2v walk a 3v?

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Lol a torque arm isn't a "simple mod/bolt on" your basically changing the entire geometry of your suspension. And you have to already have subframe connectors and a panhard bar than delete the upper control arms..

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Not really. It's a simple install, all it's doing is acting as a huge control arm. And happens to delete 3 of your UCAs at the same time. Yea you do have to have those other parts installed, but those are stuff you want to do anyway cause of the weak chassis and sucky rear end.
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There are only 2 UCAs on the car... and its not exactly a simple install but if you can weld it is straighforward and any good speedshop should know how to put it in. A good set of subframes should be one of the first mods you do anyway.
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Well just got an '06 GT and it's all stock!.. Will have to say it pulls just as hard as my '04 GT!.. And the '04 is a bolt on car!..
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That's becaues it has a good chunk of extra power over the 2V stock for stock. All these kill stories on here of modded cars vs a 3V... if not at a track and knowing both owners were trying and listing mods its all pointless. Anything can "walk" anything (title of this thread) with enough money/time.
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That's becaues it has a good chunk of extra power over the 2V stock for stock. All these kill stories on here of modded cars vs a 3V... if not at a track and knowing both owners were trying and listing mods its all pointless. Anything can "walk" anything (title of this thread) with enough money/time.

Well the thread is about a modded 2V vs stock 3V!.. And was asked what it would take to beat a 3V!.. A full bolt on 2V will hang with a stock 3V, but you'll need a bit more to beat him!..
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