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Old 04-10-2014, 10:23 PM   #1
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New 5.0 or 03-04 cobra?

Ok so currently I have a 2013 ruby red 3.7 mustang. Haha nothing special just a sixer but anyway! Had it for about... Ehh 7 or so months. But my buddies all have new 5.0's and stuff. U can look them up on Instagram. @csthibeau -purple @georgiastatestangs -blue and black @soontobeleppert -green @dillonshand -white . Ok anyway back to the point! I was looking to upgrade this summer and I was looking at possible choices and come down to it that a. Mustangs r cheaper to maintain. And b. That corvettes r super expensive for 18 y/o's. Haha so my decision is either a 2011-2014 (mayb 13-14) or either a 03-04 cobra! I know a few bolt ons and the 5.0's have the cobra but I don't plan to keep it exactly "stock" haha so any thoughts would b appreciated! Also I am planning on daily driving it for a couple months or so until I can get a. A street bike. Or b. A second car. Thnx in advance! And the pics at the end of this is my car (red with black stripes) and also my buddies cars to. I did the stripes when I was 17 with plasti dip and turned out really well IMO. Click image for larger version

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The Cobra is forged I believe. That aside, it all depends on your goals, what you want year wise, mileage wise etc.
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Fast, sound good, I can mod and use as a weekend car. And also something that turns heads!

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It's all preference
I have a 04 cobra and there's no other stang out there I would rather have . I don't drive mine daily but I have friends that drives there's everyday rain or shine
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Look how much insurance would be for each car and compare might help you make up your mind . Being 18 with a snake insurance is gonna be a killer

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The pics came out really good
and if you wanna turn heads a terminator will do that. everyone and there mother has the new 5.0 u wanna blend in or stand out ?
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You can't go wrong either way. The Cobra is a pissed off, raw power, little/no amenities old school style "muscle car".

The Coyote is much more refined, loaded with technology, smooth, quiet, roomy etc...

I'd test drive both. The 03/04 Cobra is a car that is going to only go up in value if you keep it garaged and the miles off, you WILL see nice ones going through the auction circuits for good $$$ in 20-30 years.

Coyotes are holding their value really well too and the 2015 might actually increase the 2011-2014 value as a LOT of ppl already hate it and are calling it the "Musion" or whatev and there is no solid rear for the drag guys.

So its really up to you, I'd test drive them both. I will say that a co-worker of mine went from an 03 Cobra to a 2011 Coyote recently and his opinion was "I miss the raw power, that thing would just go and ALWAYS wanted more, but just driving in the 2011 is way nicer".

I dunno once my finances un**** themselves in about 3 years time I may start looking for a clean 03/04 Mystichrome which is something I've always wanted.
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You can't go wrong either way. The Cobra is a pissed off, raw power, little/no amenities old school style "muscle car".

The Coyote is much more refined, loaded with technology, smooth, quiet, roomy etc...

I'd test drive both. The 03/04 Cobra is a car that is going to only go up in value if you keep it garaged and the miles off, you WILL see nice ones going through the auction circuits for good $$$ in 20-30 years.

Coyotes are holding their value really well too and the 2015 might actually increase the 2011-2014 value as a LOT of ppl already hate it and are calling it the "Musion" or whatev and there is no solid rear for the drag guys.

So its really up to you, I'd test drive them both. I will say that a co-worker of mine went from an 03 Cobra to a 2011 Coyote recently and his opinion was "I miss the raw power, that thing would just go and ALWAYS wanted more, but just driving in the 2011 is way nicer".

I dunno once my finances un**** themselves in about 3 years time I may start looking for a clean 03/04 Mystichrome which is something I've always wanted.

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There is something about the Terminator that looks so much better than a regular New edge to me, albeit subtle.
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I like the 03-04 Style. Only one I really loved between fox and 2011. That said drive both. I think Cobra would be more of an investment. I drive mine every day, like to do mods and enjoy the hell out of the Coyote. I would go newer GT 2013-14 and start modding away
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True, if you are going to drive it and put miles on it the Coyote all the way. But Termi is a true collector's car that you can enjoy on nice weekends during the warmer months and probably sell eventually and turn a profit or at least break even. Not a lot of cars now that you can do that with. I'd also love to find a competition orange one. Comp orange with some black accents and black wheels is one sick looking vehicle. The CO Machs look great too with the black shaker/spoiler/lip.
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I love the 11+ 5.0's. They're truly remarkable cars with a ton of potential, style, and performance. However, I'm a real sucker for the 03-04 Cobras haha. I don't know what it is, but the Termi would be my first choice. Especially if the first few mods are going to be bolt-ons. You'll have a lot of fun with the stock Eaton blower!

Not to mention all your friends have 5.0's. I've always been one to be different from the crowd. A Cobra would be a nice addition to your group of friends!

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To make it easy, the Coyote dynos around 350 to the wheels in stock form IIRC. The Termi is more like 390. Pulley/tune/exhaust on the Termi and you are in the 425hp range. Port the Eaton and that jumps to 500. Coyote can hit 500 as well with Boss intake, cams, exhaust and tune.

Like I said test drive them both. I've never owned a S197 but I've sat in them and its tough going back to the Fisher Price interior of the SN95 even though it is pretty functional for what it is and you can add a nice touchscreen unit into it to get some new tech if you want.
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New 5.0 or 03-04 cobra?

Like what has been said, it's all about what you want. If it's going to be a weekend car after a month or two, grab the termi. If it's not going to be a weekend car then I'd grab the coyote because it's way more refined, inside and out. Coyote is feeling comfortable while smiling from the power. Termi is living on the edge with a grin from ear to ear but uncomfortable. Best analogy I could make lol.

Terminators are going to be a little cheaper than a 5.0 probably also.
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Previous 03 cobra owner. Full Bolton's. Stage 5 port. 2.6 upper. 4lb lower. Full exhaust. Stage 3 meth kit. Made 530 on meth at 18lbs of boost. Pump 93 and c16 mix. It was fun but I would not take another one over my coyote.

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The interior sucks on the cobra but the outside is just awesome. The s197 handles worlds better than the cobras do and out of the box the 5.0 is a force to be reckoned with. The cobra can easily match the 5.0 power wise and surpass the coyote in terms of reliability with high HP but at a great cost. You could literally just buy a plain jane 5.0 in the low 20s and slap a 5k blower on it and make 600+rwhp all day every day. A cobra requires a fuel system and an aftermarket blower to get there which can get costly considering you're already going to spend close to 15-20k on a nice cobra anyways.. I had the choice between the two and I have a 5.0. #NORAGRETS lol

Another thing for you to worry about is the loan. Coyotes are still relatively new and easy to finance because they have a lot of value. Cobras don't have the value that coyotes do on the market and they are usually sold for more than a bank wants to finance. I see you're 18 so I doubt you have bang up credit and you may be hard pressed to find someone to loan you the money on a 10yr+ car that has a decent chunk of miles on it.
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Some banks didn't care about age as long as their book value on the car equals or exceeds the requested loan. Mine is like that.

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Some banks didn't care about age as long as their book value on the car equals or exceeds the requested loan. Mine is like that.

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Both are amazing cars really. I would personally go with the 2011+.. cuz.. Coyote..
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Both are amazing cars really. I would personally go with the 2011+.. cuz.. Coyote..
Drive a Termi, you may change your mind. The debate about these cars really isn't the engine, they both can make bat**** crazy power. Its more the collectability of the Termi vs the updated and tech loaded 11-14.

Honestly though if I'm going for a comfortable bigger power driver that I really like the looks of I might look at a Challenger. Call me crazy but that's one of the only things Mopar got right in recent memory. Easily the best looking of the "retro" styled cars, big power and even being heavy there are plenty of SRT-8s out there running 10s.
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Look into a boss Mustang already forged CNC heads and handles way better I put a VMP supercharger on mine very simple install and over 600 horsepower at the real wheels and very reliable

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Actually the boss is not true "drop forged" as far as the rods go, it is "sinter forged" although Ford will tell you they are "forged". Its the same powdered metal process as they've been doing in everything minus the Terminator where SVT somehow convinced the big wigs at Ford to drop $50/rod on aftermarkets when the Ford rods kept blowing up test engines.

With that said, the process has greatly improved recently and Boss rods are STRONG, think 800+rwhp strong. And they are a STEAL for modular builds since they fit a mod motor perfectly. You can get a full set of Boss rods for $160 from Tousley vs $300+ for the cheapest budget MMR rods.
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I'm 18 guys. No boss coming my way for a little while haha

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The boss is overrated anyways. Just get a coyote and forge it. The boss heads and cams are not worth the price at all.

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Boss pistons/ rods are the ones Walmart would sell if they sold them.

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Boss rods are good for a budget build not looking to push over 700/800. I mean if you don't want the sinter forged stuff that's a preference and obviously for a bigger power motor you'll want a drop forged H beam but most guys aren't going to go as high as a 1400hp motor lol.

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Agreed, not worth the premium. Regular Coyote with a few suspension mods and a Boss intake is pretty much the same thing.

Except you don't get the "race key".
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my vote goes for the newer..either '13 or '14.
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I know acouple people that we t with the boss stuff. My mindset is if your tearing it apart do it right the first time. Cranks already forged. Just do Manley H beams and diamond pistons.

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Still kicking them around for my Teksid. I can safely say there is no way in hell I'm going to go over 800hp. Of course everyone says "I won't be going over XYZ power" though.
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Still kicking them around for my Teksid. I can safely say there is no way in hell I'm going to go over 800hp. Of course everyone says "I won't be going over XYZ power" though.
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Yep, would be kind of ****ty to do a TFS head/power adder/teksid motor and have the potential to get near or over 800 and be limited by rods. Although at that point I'd have to think I'd be a dedicated 1/4 auto car and a de-tune for the street.

Actually the weak point of the 03/04 is the rods as well. They're the "budget" Manley H beams but even then its amazing that SVT was able to convince Ford to spring for $50/rod vs $1/rod which is about what the stock modular rods cost Ford. I forget but I know they blew up a bunch of test beds before management relented.
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