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Old 05-19-2014, 10:02 PM   #1
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2014 Trade for 2015?

Okay so I bought a base v6 for 18,500 brand new from dealership 6k down 300 a month I got new rims tires intake and tune I really want the 2015 4cyl turbo does anyone know how hard it would be to trade a 14 for a 15? Will a dealership do that

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Okay so I bought a base v6 for 18,500 brand new from dealership 6k down 300 a month I got new rims tires intake and tune I really want the 2015 4cyl turbo does anyone know how hard it would be to trade a 14 for a 15? Will a dealership do that

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Do you mean flat out trade your car for a 15? If so, they will laugh at your face. If you mean do a trade in while buying a 15 then yeah... They will definitely do that lol!
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Back to OP...you will most likely loose a lot of money on a trade in. Your best bet would be to sell the '14 outright, then go buy a '15 if you really need that new turbo 4.

Nothing wrong with your '14 though. Why not wait another year or two, to see what the majority vote ends up being on the new '15's, or the turbo 4?
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Back to OP...you will most likely loose a lot of money on a trade in. Your best bet would be to sell the '14 outright, then go buy a '15 if you really need that new turbo 4.

Nothing wrong with your '14 though. Why not wait another year or two, to see what the majority vote ends up being on the new '15's, or the turbo 4?

+1 on waiting... You have the best car of your line up... Why trade it for the worst of the new line up? It's going to have a good amount of bugs I'm guessing. Yours probably has minimal. Plus i still can't get over it being a 4 banger... Ugh reminds me of the 4 banger genesis.. Except faster
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:36 AM   #7
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If it were me, I would wait at least one year.
We all know about problems with year one
of a new car remake.

If the new turbo fours, are not selling,
you will get a much better deal.
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Wait a year, get a leftover 2015 4 banger if you REALLY want it. However I can't imagine its going to be a much better performer than what you have.
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14' v6 305 bhp vs 15' 4cyl 305bhp.....not worth taking ANY loss on your v6 jmo though.

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The sixer will have way more bottom end and be less peaky too.

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Power mods will be easier on the turbo 4. Just something to think about. Your car is nice tho

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I'd wait an see then get a V8!
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Power mods will be easier on the turbo 4. Just something to think about. Your car is nice tho

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Potentially, depends on how far the factory is pushing the 4 banger and the stock turbo setup to get the 300hp. There might not be a ton of headroom left without a lot of $$. The current iteration of the 6 banger has proven to be a runaway success and better than anyone ever could have imagined and they take to mods pretty damn well in their own right.

Now... I think a better argument is the whole overall platform of the 2014 and 2015. You're going to get a smaller, more advanced (and uglier) platform in the 2015 which will probably make the 2015 a better performer just going v6 vs v6 honestly.
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You have the right car already... The 2014... The 15 is pretty hideous IMHO... Just me, but I just don't see muscle car anymore...
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You have the right car already... The 2014... The 15 is pretty hideous IMHO... Just me, but I just don't see muscle car anymore...
This. No matter how well the 2015 performs its going to be a hard sell for a LOT of ppl. Honestly I think Ford nailed it in 2011/2012. If they would have left the front end alone and just did the tail lights and the few other updates in 2013/2014 they would have got it completely perfect but nothing one can't fix oneself.
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This. No matter how well the 2015 performs its going to be a hard sell for a LOT of ppl. Honestly I think Ford nailed it in 2011/2012. If they would have left the front end alone and just did the tail lights and the few other updates in 2013/2014 they would have got it completely perfect but nothing one can't fix oneself.
I agree. Except I love the front ends on the 13's 14's. Overall though I think the 11'-14's are my favorite body style's/ engine's ever along with the 2003-2004 cobras.
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Potentially, depends on how far the factory is pushing the 4 banger and the stock turbo setup to get the 300hp. There might not be a ton of headroom left without a lot of $$. The current iteration of the 6 banger has proven to be a runaway success and better than anyone ever could have imagined and they take to mods pretty damn well in their own right.
The new turbo 4 will have better low end torque, a smoother power delivery and much better headroom for power gains than the current 3.7 ever will.

Look at all the new turbo cars out now, they all produce maximum torque at 3,000 rpm or less. They carry that torque from it's peak nearly all the way to redline. Advancements in turbo technology such as twin scroll, variable geometry, etc .. allowing bigger turbos to come on line much faster and more efficiently than turbos of 10 years ago.

That being said, I imagine Ford will do to the ecoboost Mustang what they did with the 3.5 ecoboost. Give it a great factory setup, limit the fuel system and strap nearly the smallest turbo(s) they can while still being on the high side of it's efficiency map, leaving a little bit of headroom, likely 8 - 10 PSI boost at most. I think after running the factory turbo to just under the point where it's blowing hot air will be the upper limit for the factory fueling system. My best guess for easily attainable power will be somewhere around 400 rwhp, maybe 450rwhp with meth injection.

Ford is going to push the 5.0 for those who want 400+rwhp and are going to force people to pay for it, I'm sure the 5.0 Mustang has a significantly higher profit margin than the ecoboost 4. They wouldn't want to cannibalize sales of the higher profit 5.0 when their ecoboost 4 could produce the same or better numbers with just a couple hundred dollars in parts.
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You're probably right. I'm just wondering if they are going to finally do direct port injection in the 5.0 and really crank the power level up. We all know that the Coyote isn't even close to touching its full potential yet. At least not from the factory.
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You're probably right. I'm just wondering if they are going to finally do direct port injection in the 5.0 and really crank the power level up. We all know that the Coyote isn't even close to touching its full potential yet. At least not from the factory.
At best DI would likely only add around a 10% gain. More likely 5% or less.

One thing they could do is bump the compression up a little and add DI, then that would make sense and would add up to more power. Only downside is how much headroom Ford would decide to give it's customers with the fuel system.

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before DI really hits, and hits hard. We know that the new LT1 will be in the new Camaro, and it does have DI and also has a good bit of head room on the stock fuel system.
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Have you even driven a stick shift car with a Turbo before? I remembered how badly I wanted one then after I got it I learned what Turbo Lag was all about and haven't had one since. Just wondered. I also am interested in a Turbo 4 but only with an Auto, they work great with Turbos.
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Back to OP...you will most likely loose a lot of money on a trade in. Your best bet would be to sell the '14 outright, then go buy a '15 if you really need that new turbo 4.

Nothing wrong with your '14 though. Why not wait another year or two, to see what the majority vote ends up being on the new '15's, or the turbo 4?
I would wait +2 to 3 years. Let time for Ford to get everything working properly. There is a hurry to get this car out into the public.
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Have you even driven a stick shift car with a Turbo before? I remembered how badly I wanted one then after I got it I learned what Turbo Lag was all about and haven't had one since. Just wondered. I also am interested in a Turbo 4 but only with an Auto, they work great with Turbos.
Turbo lag is a thing of the past..

Hell ... my old EVO 8 MR didn't even really have turbo lag, it was boosting 24lbs. My Talon doesn't either after 2,500 rpm.

The only time you will get turbo lag is on an older turbo car or running a big turbo on a small/inefficient engine.

Auto or manual makes no difference with a turbo. At least with a manual you can brake boost if needed.
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Yeah but with an auto and a transbrake you can spool that ***** up and come flying off the brake. Most ppl are not going to have a brake though.
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Wait until the 2015's are out

You may change your mind after you see one in person. You now have a great Mustang that actually looks like a Mustang is supposed to look. The Cyclone 3.7 engine is really a powerhouse for it's 227 CI size and without a turbo charger.
But, if you want the 2015 4 cylinder just go ahead and get one. Just trade in your 2014 and I'm sure your payments will not be much more then you have now. The new one's will be out soon so just enjoy what you have for now.
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Yeah but with an auto and a transbrake you can spool that ***** up and come flying off the brake. Most ppl are not going to have a brake though.
My Evo and Talon both had/have anti-lag setups ... It's wicked off the line, assuming nothing breaks. Also, in the DSM/EVO world, anti-lag is all setup in the tune, assuming you have ECMlink/DSMlink.
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Yeah I'm not even talking so much about turbo lag, just loading the thing up on the brake and then letting a well shifting auto and good triple disc stall take care of the rest lol. Lots of ppl with manual Mustangs still talk about "bogging" the turbo between shifts though. I think those ppl have a badly selected kit or need to learn to shift.
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No lift shifting also comes with ECMlink/DSMlink, it keeps the turbo in boost during shifts. Even the Cobalt SS turbos have it from the factory. It's not necessarily needed with an auto.

That said, if you are bogging a turbo car with a V8 between shifts, they either have a massive turbo, or more than likely just suck at life.
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What is really scary is that I just went through the entire On3 development and install thread over a 2-3 year period on the Corral for the Coyote. Those damn things are making near 600hp on stock longblocks through the auto at 6 psi...

Maybe get a used 2011/2012 Coyote and just turbo IT vs getting the new turbo 4 banger lol.
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