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Old 08-13-2014, 10:05 PM   #1
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Slow 0-60 times... is it a weak Coyote?

Is there anyone else out there struggling to get a sub 5 second 0-60? I'm getting a little paranoid that I'm driving a lemon. It seems from reading the forums guys are getting 4 and a half second times relatively easy but I can't even get close. I've got a 2014 GT Premium with Track Pack. It's new... with 4500 km on it (a little over 3000 miles I think). It feels strong, not underpowered. It pulls hard but finding a balance between hooking up and feathering the throttle, I hope is the only problem. But... I'm having doubts. My best time using track apps up to recently was 5.3 sec. To get 5.3, there was quite a bit of spin in first and enough to get sideways in second. So, when I go a little easier to avoid wheel spin I end up in the 5.7 range. The other day I just happened to have about 100 lbs of tools in the back and a full tank of gas. I was able to pull a 5.1. Better but a long way off from 4.5. A few factors that may be in my favor... When I did 5.1 it was on 87 octane and I still put down about 10-15 ft of rubber. Also, the track pack with 3.73's hits the rev limiter just before 60 so I have to get it into 3rd before a time is registered. I'm certain AC was on as well but unlike the TSI Talon I had in the 90's I can't feel much of a difference whether it's on our off. I think there may be another tenth or two but I'm really frustrated not to get into the mid 4's. Anyone else struggling with this?

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What elevation are you at? That will play a major roll in engine performance. Some of it is also a combination of driver mod and traction.
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2200 ft. Definitely a good distance from sea level but wouldn't think it would account for much.
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what is the temperature of where you are at??????
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AC does not matter. It shuts off automatically at 100% throttle anyways.

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i live in arizona, when it is 115 degrees my car does not perform at 100%....

there are several places when it is hot and humid the car will automatically lower performance.
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Your car is fine. Traction is limiting you. Those factory numbers and car magazine numbers are done by pros, with perfect conditions. My best time out of 6 or so attempts was 5.49 seconds to 60. Traction being the biggest limit, as first gear was pretty much unusable.

Watch this video, should put things into perspective. These guys can't even get a c7 Corvette into the 4's with launch control!
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I have wondered this myself. I am at best hitting 5 flat. I havent tried much since I did my suspension so I know that is going to help. I have done some 1/4 runs and even with some spin at launch last one was 13.1 @111. I figure I still need work. Manual gotta hit gears just right.

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Anywhere from 15 C - 30 C depending on time of day. It was 28 C when I ran 5.1 sec and cooler temps definitely lead to more traction issues.
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Your car is fine. Traction is limiting you. Those factory numbers and car magazine numbers are done by pros, with perfect conditions. My best time out of 6 or so attempts was 5.49 seconds to 60. Traction being the biggest limit, as first gear was pretty much unusable.

Watch this video, should put things into perspective. These guys can't even get a c7 Corvette into the 4's with launch control!
Man, no disrespect but that's a horrible 0-60 mph time. 5.49 seconds is factory 3.7 with 2:73 gears. Us 3.7 guys are running mid to high 4's 0-60 mph with just bolt on's and 60-70 less horsepower than stock 5.0's.

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To help just start in 2nd I never use 1st when I'm trying to launch there is so much torque. You can't go faster if the tires are spinning

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To help just start in 2nd I never use 1st when I'm trying to launch there is so much torque. You can't go faster if the tires are spinning

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Hadn't thought of that. I did consider skipping second because around town I usually just go from 1st - 3rd - 5th. And there's plenty of pull in 3rd even when skipping 2nd. It's an awkward shift though to do quickly. I'm away from my car until next week but will see if it'll get off the line quick enough in 2nd to improve that time.
I'm a little anxious now... Might cut a tenth or two not having that extra shift and another tenth or two without the spin.

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Man, no disrespect but that's a horrible 0-60 mph time. 5.49 seconds is factory 3.7 with 2:73 gears. Us 3.7 guys are running mid to high 4's 0-60 mph with just bolt on's and 60-70 less horsepower than stock 5.0's.

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None taken. On that particular night and on that particular road, I doubt anyone would have done much better. Traction was a serious limitation with my all season tires. Also I'm not certain the accuracy of my timing device (Torque Pro app on an andriod tablet). The car certainly felt faster then the time would indicate, especially compared to my last car which would pull low 6 second runs to 60.

Anyways, the moral of the story is to not judge the health of your engine based on hap hazard 0-60 runs on public roads with poor surface quality using timing devices which may or may not be accurate.
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Man, no disrespect but that's a horrible 0-60 mph time. 5.49 seconds is factory 3.7 with 2:73 gears. Us 3.7 guys are running mid to high 4's 0-60 mph with just bolt on's and 60-70 less horsepower than stock 5.0's.

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I Don't think so , no way a 2.73 does those numbers I had one
I added 3.55s and a MPT tune in cold weather to run 5.4, stock it was 6.0 - 6.2

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Man, no disrespect but that's a horrible 0-60 mph time. 5.49 seconds is factory 3.7 with 2:73 gears. Us 3.7 guys are running mid to high 4's 0-60 mph with just bolt on's and 60-70 less horsepower than stock 5.0's.

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I Don't think so , no way a stock 2.73 does those numbers I had one
I added 3.55s and a MPT tune in cold weather to run 5.4, stock it was 6.0 - 6.2
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None taken. On that particular night and on that particular road, I doubt anyone would have done much better. Traction was a serious limitation with my all season tires. Also I'm not certain the accuracy of my timing device (Torque Pro app on an andriod tablet). The car certainly felt faster then the time would indicate, especially compared to my last car which would pull low 6 second runs to 60.

Anyways, the moral of the story is to not judge the health of your engine based on hap hazard 0-60 runs on public roads with poor surface quality using timing devices which may or may not be accurate.
Bro, say no more. Your using the torque app on Android. That's why your times are way way off. I too have that app on my phone and the scan tool. The track app doesn't work to measure speed correctly. It does a fine job at measuring a constant speed but not accelerating speeds.

I tried using torque app to measure my speed and my car was doing 60 mph and torque app displayed my speed at like 40 mph. The car moves faster than the torque app can record and track the actual speed.

Try it yourself again. Do 55 mph and floor it. Watch what your speedometer reads and then look what torque app reads. Torque app is way behind because it can't read your speed acceleration that quick.

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Your car is fine. Traction is limiting you. Those factory numbers and car magazine numbers are done by pros, with perfect conditions. My best time out of 6 or so attempts was 5.49 seconds to 60. Traction being the biggest limit, as first gear was pretty much unusable.

Watch this video, should put things into perspective. These guys can't even get a c7 Corvette into the 4's with launch control!
That video is comforting. He's going through the same struggle I'm going through... and, he doesn't need to pull another gear like I do. My shifts are quite a bit quicker than what he's doing here though.

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Hi Kona, you cant say that scientifically; Torque uses the Chip accellerometers in your particular cell phone; some will be better some will be terrible. In any case you must use a scientific method when talking about these numbers and taking down research, so see what that means. A control subject should always be used when comparing research.

IN any case, don't rely on cell phone apps. best advise !

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I Don't think so , no way a 2.73 does those numbers I had one
I added 3.55s and a MPT tune in cold weather to run 5.4, stock it was 6.0 - 6.2

I gotta side more with the V6 comments about the horrible V8 times on this one. Consistent 5.55 to 5.60 with stock PP 3.31, manual trans and no tune. That seems about normal, nothing unusual. You had a bad tune or something to only pick up a 1/10th with those gears over stock.
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Hi Kona, you cant say that scientifically; Torque uses the Chip accellerometers in your particular cell phone; some will be better some will be terrible. In any case you must use a scientific method when talking about these numbers and taking down research, so see what that means. A control subject should always be used when comparing research.

IN any case, don't rely on cell phone apps. best advise !

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The cell phone apps for measuring 0-60 mph is definitely no where near accurate. Lol. Glad you agree with me on that.

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I have 3.31 gears with a 93 MPT tune, Airaid CAI, and FR x-pipe on ultra performance pirellis and I'm running under 5 seconds 0-60 consistently.
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