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Old 02-25-2015, 09:02 AM   #36
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The horse probably wins that race lol.
Yea , but I'm saying how some ignore all the numbers and even real world performance to defend their precious engine.
What's wrong with ford developing an insanely fast 4 banger or turbo 6? With the 2015 redesign the Mustang no longer is a retro muscle car, it's a sports car and what matters most is speed, not cylinders.
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Yea , but I'm saying how some ignore all the numbers and even real world performance to defend their precious engine.
What's wrong with ford developing an insanely fast 4 banger or turbo 6? With the 2015 redesign the Mustang no longer is a retro muscle car, it's a sports car and what matters most is speed, not cylinders.
Lots of car owners fall into the "dyno queen" category. Visit a GT500 get together and watch them compare dyno sheets like weiner size and all be on stock suspension/wheels/tires.

I've personally seen cars making way less HP than the car in the next lane just WTFPWN because of setup/powerband/driver/whatever.
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Yea , but I'm saying how some ignore all the numbers and even real world performance to defend their precious engine.
What's wrong with ford developing an insanely fast 4 banger or turbo 6? With the 2015 redesign the Mustang no longer is a retro muscle car, it's a sports car and what matters most is speed, not cylinders.
Speed doesn't mean **** when the car wont start and it costs $50k to fix it and its extremely hard to swap a different engine in and you have to run 50 lines of code just to change the freaking oil.

We have muscle cars. What matters is keeping it simple.

Keeping it simple and reliable is priority #1 and then you get as much performance as you can. I don't have an F1 tech team on call when im driving to school. I have a tool box in the trunk, some half tread continentals, and about $200 in an emergency savings account in the case of something breaking on my car.


Lets see how your baby-on-steroids 4 banger is going to hold up even just 10 years from now. Have you ever owned a turbocharged car that's been boosted to the limits for 150k miles??


WHen I buy a brand new car at age 25, that son of a ***** better last until my grand kids run it out of oil 40 years from now. and hell no, I refuse to take it to a shop/dealer for *****g anything. ever. If I cant fix it in my garage, I don't want it. Its like having a girl that you cant get off and then giving her to a porn star. Its not actually your girl if you let other guys in her, and its not actually your car if you let somebody elses tools in it.
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Speed doesn't mean **** when the car wont start and it costs $50k to fix it and its extremely hard to swap a different engine in and you have to run 50 lines of code just to change the freaking oil.

We have muscle cars. What matters is keeping it simple.

Keeping it simple and reliable is priority #1 and then you get as much performance as you can. I don't have an F1 tech team on call when im driving to school. I have a tool box in the trunk, some half tread continentals, and about $200 in an emergency savings account in the case of something breaking on my car.


Lets see how your baby-on-steroids 4 banger is going to hold up even just 10 years from now. Have you ever owned a turbocharged car that's been boosted for 150k miles??
Those are reasons you would want the coyote. They are not reasons to deny performance improvements the smaller i4 and v6 engines could be, and should be, receiving.
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Those are reasons you would want the coyote. They are not reasons to deny performance improvements the smaller i4 and v6 engines could be, and should be, receiving.
Until people start suggesting replacing V8s with them. I don't think the V6 stangs are bad. I love the 3.7 and I would not mind owning one. 4 cylinder is sacrilidge and this is not the platform for a 4 banger.


IF ford wants to make a 4 banger turbo car, put it in the festiva or whatever the frick, and make an AWD rally car out of it for the kids to enjoy and put farty pipes on it.


Some combinations just should not exist in mass production.


The point of muscle cars is what their drive trains contain. When I see a muscle car I think "oh yay, V8, RWD, manual transmission goodness in a car". Not "oh yay turbo spool and an idle that sounds like a new born kitten". That's a different kind of car that I also happen to like.


What they are doing is slowly feeding us the Ford Probe in a more strategic platform. Give us the 4 banger in order to pass emissions, and then let it be just okay enough to where some of us will accept it, and then they are going to water it down in order to meet even stricter emissions. and then we're going to have .9L cars with 90 horsepower that don't even have steering wheels because its illegal to drive your own car. Computers are already replacing us in the drivers seat anyways
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I doubt the V8 will removed any time soon. Hopefully when electric cars become more widely available and used, Ford won't need an ecoboost 4 banger to satisfy the government. Then the Mustang will be more of a recreational vehicle, in a sea of whisper quite battery cars, there will still be the loud growl of a Mustang.

For now, while gasoline cars are the obvious majority, I think the 2.3L is an engine with a lot of potential for even better power and is earning the right to be in the 15. Haven't heard any exhaust setup that makes it sound good, but plenty have already shown impressive power
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Speed doesn't mean **** when the car wont start and it costs $50k to fix it and its extremely hard to swap a different engine in and you have to run 50 lines of code just to change the freaking oil.

We have muscle cars. What matters is keeping it simple.

Keeping it simple and reliable is priority #1 and then you get as much performance as you can. I don't have an F1 tech team on call when im driving to school. I have a tool box in the trunk, some half tread continentals, and about $200 in an emergency savings account in the case of something breaking on my car.


Lets see how your baby-on-steroids 4 banger is going to hold up even just 10 years from now. Have you ever owned a turbocharged car that's been boosted to the limits for 150k miles??


WHen I buy a brand new car at age 25, that son of a ***** better last until my grand kids run it out of oil 40 years from now. and hell no, I refuse to take it to a shop/dealer for *****g anything. ever. If I cant fix it in my garage, I don't want it. Its like having a girl that you cant get off and then giving her to a porn star. Its not actually your girl if you let other guys in her, and its not actually your car if you let somebody elses tools in it.
Very interesting analogy my friend. Never exactly thought about it like that. 😎
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Fifth page, analogies WAY out of hand, and still no source. Great bait, OP.

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Very interesting analogy my friend. Never exactly thought about it like that. 😎
Its basically the same thing if you don't think about it
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Honestly the way tech is going... yeah self driving cars in 30-40 years and some roads where it is illegal to self drive and with the amount of wrecks/deaths per year from driving that is not exactly a bad thing. Like the highway for example, they'd just have to come up with a way to enforce it. I'd be all for kicking back on a 45 minute each way (or longer) commute and gaming or watching a movie or reading a book or taking a nap or whatever.

This would not be to say that there would be no self drive option or "classics" that are grandfathered in or whatever because there would be a ton of pushback if there wasn't (and that's a good thing too). Call me a socialist or whatever you want but move to NJ and see how many retards are on the roads who shouldn't be able to operate a toaster much less a 5000lb hunk of metal hurtling along at 75mph.

I'm personally of the mindset that we need a much better mass transit system in the country and a much MUCH more stringent real world mandated driving test on public roads with refreshers every 2 years. You are a good driver you won't have a problem at all and it'll make it much safter/better for you. If you can't figure the hell out who goes first at a 4 way stop, take the bus or buy a self driving car.
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Honestly the way tech is going... yeah self driving cars in 30-40 years and some roads where it is illegal to self drive and with the amount of wrecks/deaths per year from driving that is not exactly a bad thing. Like the highway for example, they'd just have to come up with a way to enforce it. I'd be all for kicking back on a 45 minute each way (or longer) commute and gaming or watching a movie or reading a book or taking a nap or whatever.

This would not be to say that there would be no self drive option or "classics" that are grandfathered in or whatever because there would be a ton of pushback if there wasn't (and that's a good thing too). Call me a socialist or whatever you want but move to NJ and see how many retards are on the roads who shouldn't be able to operate a toaster much less a 5000lb hunk of metal hurtling along at 75mph.

I'm personally of the mindset that we need a much better mass transit system in the country and a much MUCH more stringent real world mandated driving test on public roads with refreshers every 2 years. You are a good driver you won't have a problem at all and it'll make it much safter/better for you. If you can't figure the hell out who goes first at a 4 way stop, take the bus or buy a self driving car.
I think we need drivers with better skills on the road. as far as car handling skills, nothing is taught in drivers ed here. IN fact, they discourage learning how to actually handle your car when the rear end steps out or having any real driving skills that will pay off. Nobody coming out of drivers ed knows how traction works, how their car works in the slightest, and 99% cant drive a stick shift. They just want you to kinda sorta know the rules on what the signs mean.

And they day that my car's steering can be controlled by a computer is the day I start riding motorcycles and building my own tube frame Ls powered muscle cars from scratch.

Once you let your car's computer start calling the shots, you open it up to being controlled by 3rd parties. They're going to be able to shut your car off just like they shut your electricity in your house off. Imagine the taxing power they will have with that.


FOr Christ's sake, Sony got hacked. You would be crazy to think mischievous/terrorist hackers wont eat that **** up. Plus, this is just asking for more government. Government is going to be in even more control of just another aspect of our life.


Imagine how these computerized communist cars are going to like driving in snow conditions?!! Have you ever tried the traction control feature in a DBW car on snow? lmao it will be hilarious to see how that ****ty technology works in your steering rack when theres low traction. People are forgetting how powerful the human brain is. No computer you make is going to be as dynamic, and certainly it will not be in any car that I drive


If you want to kick back and relax on a drive, ride a bus.
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I think we need drivers with better skills on the road. as far as car handling skills, nothing is taught in drivers ed here. IN fact, they discourage learning how to actually handle your car when the rear end steps out or having any real driving skills that will pay off. Nobody coming out of drivers ed knows how traction works, how their car works in the slightest, and 99% cant drive a stick shift. They just want you to kinda sorta know the rules on what the signs mean.

And they day that my car's steering can be controlled by a computer is the day I start riding motorcycles and building my own tube frame Ls powered muscle cars from scratch.

Once you let your car's computer start calling the shots, you open it up to being controlled by 3rd parties. They're going to be able to shut your car off just like they shut your electricity in your house off. Imagine the taxing power they will have with that.


FOr Christ's sake, Sony got hacked. You would be crazy to think mischievous/terrorist hackers wont eat that **** up. Plus, this is just asking for more government. Government is going to be in even more control of just another aspect of our life.


Imagine how these computerized communist cars are going to like driving in snow conditions?!! Have you ever tried the traction control feature in a DBW car on snow? lmao it will be hilarious to see how that ****ty technology works in your steering rack when theres low traction. People are forgetting how powerful the human brain is. No computer you make is going to be as dynamic, and certainly it will not be in any car that I drive


If you want to kick back and relax on a drive, ride a bus.
This^ this exactly
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Direct inject 2.5L twin turbo 500HP Ecoboost planned for Ford platforms.
Makes more sense to place it in the Mustang and it will kick *** in a whole new way done before.
I'm a V8 fan no matter HP numbers. I love them.
But that Ecoboost will take off hard and provide a power punch, F1 type feeling
with 128 MPG City!!!! it'll sell for less than 16,000!!!! 6 star crash rating!!!!!! adds inches to your ***** (and I'm talking girth!!!!!!!)
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They better not force us to have self driving robot cars. They should seriously re-think pissing off everybody in the U.S that likes liberty. That didn't work so well for the last government that ruled this continent. Honestly "with the way tech is going", we're all expendable and definitely fcked.


The problem here is that bullying has become unacceptable and the god damn nerds are getting too big for their britches. Time to beat some nerds up
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