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Old 03-22-2015, 08:39 PM   #1
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97 Camaro SS 30th Anniv vs 04 Mach 1

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Curious as to who ya'll think will be first across the 1/4 mile mark. We will most likely be going to Union Grove later this spring/early summer.

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Sounds like you have the faster car, but as with everything auto racing related it depends on the driver...


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Mach should win but its all paper HP till you get timeslips.
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Mach 1 should win...... I bet ish still says Camaro though


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Mach 1 should win...... I bet ish still says Camaro though


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No, the 97 is the old LT1, you have to ride around in a wife beater and a badass mullet to drive anything pre-LS1 (or the new LT1). I like to think ish is a little more high class than that.
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No, the 97 is the old LT1, you have to ride around in a wife beater and a badass mullet to drive anything pre-LS1 (or the new LT1). I like to think ish is a little more high class than that.

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Did nobody see that he said lt4. That Mach is gonna get its doors blown off


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Did nobody see that he said lt4. That Mach is gonna get its doors blown off


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The LT4 only had about 10hp more stock than the Mach 1

And since the Mach has gears, suspension and some power mods it should have the advantage. It'll also be able to get out of the hole faster with better tires and a non-garbage rear end like the Camaros had. It's also lighter.

So no I don't think the Mach will get it's doors blown off.


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Hmmm, I actually didn't see LT4. Its not 10 more than the mach... Try LS1 power but heavier. My father has a LT4 Corvette and it moves the **** out. But that's a Vette...

However... if its bone stock its still the Mach's race to lose.
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Most LT4s dyno around 290-310 stock. The Mach should be around the 280-290 range right now. OP said dyno tuned so he might have the actual number. Add gears, suspension, tires, and weight.

LT has torque on it's side to compensate for the weight, but the Mach has revs and the gears to put it in the power band.

It will probably be close but I think the Mach will have it if he can drive. Now whether they go heads up style or if it's by ET.. That can change the out come also.


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Most LT4s dyno around 290-310 stock. The Mach should be around the 280-290 range right now. OP said dyno tuned so he might have the actual number. Add gears, suspension, tires, and weight.

LT has torque on it's side to compensate for the weight, but the Mach has revs and the gears to put it in the power band.

It will probably be close but I think the Mach will have it if he can drive. Now whether they go heads up style or if it's by ET.. That can change the out come also.


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Hope you don't mind me linking to this thread out here. Lots of information. LT4 was 330 horse.

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Most LT4s dyno around 290-310 stock. The Mach should be around the 280-290 range right now.

I know how much the engine makes.... I'm talking WHP not BHP


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Lt4 are at or slightly below ls1 power levels. Completely different beast as an lt1 cuz they're heads flow a lot more

Will definitely make a really good race though


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No matter what the outcome of the race is, the Mach will win the pit area beauty contest, hands down...
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Yes as I said originally it is the LT4 with the SLP added package, like 1 of 100 U.S. cars built. I believe SLP completely balanced and blueprinted those engines. It looks like most of those cars were producing ~280-310ish to the wheels according to LS1tech.

I did forget to mention his car has over 108k miles...the car has been maintained but he is not the original owner fwiw...

Having not actually put this car down a strip I'd say I don't have much of a driver's advantage. To my knowledge he hasn't run his either. And he doesn't plan on running DR's though that could definitely change in a month. I'm hoping to trap decently (for the mods done) with the new rear setup, we'll see.

If I was bone stock, I wouldn't even bother, the SLP lt4 is more like an LS1 than t lt1.
Even stock he still might get me top end. I have to remember to stay out of 5th as long as possible.

Also hoping to have dyno numbers by fri-sat. Picking the car up then.
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Yeah the LT4 is nothing to sneeze at. Like I said my father has one with a mail order tune and completely stock otherwise in a 96 Vette, very powerful motor and lots of torque.
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Yeah the LT4 is nothing to sneeze at. Like I said my father has one with a mail order tune and completely stock otherwise in a 96 Vette, very powerful motor and lots of torque.
I bet, especially in the Vette. There are some days I wished I had gotten a WS6 Trans Am. That LS1 would make more power for cheaper, and I always liked them.

But I wanted the Mach 1 since high school lol, it looks better imo, and in my area cost way less to get into one that wasn't beat to the ground.
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Only thing that keeps me in the Mustang world is I can work on any Fox/SN95 so easily and I know where everything is. I'm getting so stir crazy not having a Mustang I'm looking for a cheap project like I've seen a few other ppl pull off. Relatively clean 4 banger fox with a blown drivetrain, busted to **** 96-98 NPI with a working motor/trans/rear=real cheap modfox. Get a cheap set of PI heads, valvejob/new springs, a set of CMS cams, new PI intake and there's a 300+whp 3000lb car for pennies.

But buying a F body vs a New Edge or 05-10 S197... its not even CLOSE that the F body is the better buy. You just have to know the "gotchas" that are waiting for you but that's any car.
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I agree except the 03/04 Cobras are still a damn good bang for your buck car imo from that performance era. The ability to have a solid 400-500rwhp car for under a couple grand is pretty impressive.

I honestly can't say if I will ever go FI on the Mach. Bottom line is the pistons/rods are the Achilles heel in that powerplant. To be safe you really need to go fully forged on the bottom end. Maybe if the stock motor gives out and I have to do a rebuild anyways, but I think I'll have an 07-10 Shelby by that time, at least that's the next one on the list.

Oh and I do have dyno results: 296 rwhp & 305 tq on a mild 91 tune
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I agree except the 03/04 Cobras are still a damn good bang for your buck car imo from that performance era. The ability to have a solid 400-500rwhp car for under a couple grand is pretty impressive.

I honestly can't say if I will ever go FI on the Mach. Bottom line is the pistons/rods are the Achilles heel in that powerplant. To be safe you really need to go fully forged on the bottom end. Maybe if the stock motor gives out and I have to do a rebuild anyways, but I think I'll have an 07-10 Shelby by that time, at least that's the next one on the list.

Oh and I do have dyno results: 296 rwhp & 305 tq on a mild 91 tune

Not these days, not when Coyotes are in the $20k range. Hell I just saw a Lava Red Roushcharged one with 25k miles go for $25k monies. Market is FLOODED with Coyotes right now.
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Not these days, not when Coyotes are in the $20k range. Hell I just saw a Lava Red Roushcharged one with 25k miles go for $25k monies. Market is FLOODED with Coyotes right now.
Don't come to Cali lol. A bare bones stock 5.0 with like 60k on it is still over $20k
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Don't come to Cali lol. A bare bones stock 5.0 with like 60k on it is still over $20k
That's what shipping companies are for. Or plane tickets. 2011 black on black Premium Auto with 19k miles for $22k in WV and a white 2011 M6 base model with 20k miles for $20k in Florida. Both users are longtime forum members of another forum I belong to and seem completely legit although you do never know 100%.
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Not these days, not when Coyotes are in the $20k range. Hell I just saw a Lava Red Roushcharged one with 25k miles go for $25k monies. Market is FLOODED with Coyotes right now.
From that era Meaning if I had to choose a mustang/fbody from that era 94-04 I would choose the 03/04 Terminator first. Again that's just my opinion, YMMV.

I agree, prior to 2010 that 4V really was the top factory mill, but now that the 5.0 has proven itself as a potent powerplant, it has become the go-to choice for reliable, fast power.
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I have never seen an LT4 put down less power than a stock LS1 fbody. I came very, very close to buying an LT4 97 SS, it was at least as fast as my Z28 back then (which only had a lid).

With a good driver and on stock tires, that car should be running low 13's around 105 - 108 mph. With some decent tires, it should run a 12.8 - 13.1 @ 108 or so.

Just because the LT4 is a heavy engine, it produces an f ton of torque at any rpm.


That said, with the mods on the Mach, it should win.
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I have never seen an LT4 put down less power than a stock LS1 fbody. I came very, very close to buying an LT4 97 SS, it was at least as fast as my Z28 back then (which only had a lid).

With a good driver and on stock tires, that car should be running low 13's around 105 - 108 mph. With some decent tires, it should run a 12.8 - 13.1 @ 108 or so.

Just because the LT4 is a heavy engine, it produces an f ton of torque at any rpm.


That said, with the mods on the Mach, it should win.
Yeah that is one thing I notice about my dad's vette. ****ton of low end.

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Any results yet?
We are planning to go to Union Grove on the 11th...free race weekend.

Hope to have some results if he can make it.

I'm also getting a short throw shifter on order and installed before then too...think that will help out a ton over the stock shifter.
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The 5.0 was out when I got my s197 but I love my cars body style to much even if it is just a 4.6. But I'm sure after a few years of tracking this car I will want a 5.0 for DD. But the S197's are just sexy to me

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That's sort of how I am with the new edge 4V's. They just have a raw feel to them that I don't experience in the 5.0. Don't get me wrong, the 5.0's are amazing cars and impressive from the factory but the whole package is refined, almost too refined for me.
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That's sort of how I am with the new edge 4V's. They just have a raw feel to them that I don't experience in the 5.0. Don't get me wrong, the 5.0's are amazing cars and impressive from the factory but the whole package is refined, almost too refined for me.
The 99-04 Mustang is for sure one of the best looking cars ever made. Lots of ppl agree on this too, not just me being a fanboy. Problem is... archaic chassis and Fisher Price interior. Chassis is fixable... interior... there is only so much you can do.

Honestly if I had a gun to my head and had to take one car from the 90s as far as looks (that I could reasonably afford) it would come down to the New Edge and the BMW E36 M3.
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