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We will see what e85 and high boost does on my old 03 cobra. It goes in for the final tune next week.

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My 3V heads:
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Stock coyote heads are
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Wish I could find the paper to see what mine were after the little head work we did was. Can't remember to save my life. And not going to try and guess

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Wish I could find the paper to see what mine were after the little head work we did was. Can't remember to save my life. And not going to try and guess

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E-85 is available here, and it is cheap compared to regular gasoline. Like $1.85 compared to $2.36 for regular 89 octane at the pump. E-85 shouldn't be used in vehicles without the 'flex-fuel' label. As far as everyone using it? I'm not going to in any of my vehicles. E= ethanol. It's made out of corn. To my thinking we could feed the hungry instead of looking into alternative fuels. Ethanol could be considered close to grain alcohol. What it does to vehicles that are not E-85 ready is something you might nt want to experiment with. 100 0ctane? Don't know who said that, but I think it's close to what they called "drip gas" back in the 1980's. Alcohol will ruin a lot of standard rubber gaskets and things like that. Alcohol evaporates quickly, and has no lubrication properties. Run this in an automobile engine that's not designed for it? At your own risk IMO.
In my state, ethanol free signs at gas stations get my business. If I were ever looking into alternative fuels for my vehicles, I figure I'd be buying diesel.

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E-85 is available here, and it is cheap compared to regular gasoline. Like $1.85 compared to $2.36 for regular 89 octane at the pump. E-85 shouldn't be used in vehicles without the 'flex-fuel' label. As far as everyone using it? I'm not going to in any of my vehicles. E= ethanol. It's made out of corn. To my thinking we could feed the hungry instead of looking into alternative fuels. Ethanol could be considered close to grain alcohol. What it does to vehicles that are not E-85 ready is something you might nt want to experiment with. 100 0ctane? Don't know who said that, but I think it's close to what they called "drip gas" back in the 1980's. Alcohol will ruin a lot of standard rubber gaskets and things like that. Alcohol evaporates quickly, and has no lubrication properties. Run this in an automobile engine that's not designed for it? At your own risk IMO.
In my state, ethanol free signs at gas stations get my business. If I were ever looking into alternative fuels for my vehicles, I figure I'd be buying diesel.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/ethanol_e85.html
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E-85 is available here, and it is cheap compared to regular gasoline. Like $1.85 compared to $2.36 for regular 89 octane at the pump. E-85 shouldn't be used in vehicles without the 'flex-fuel' label. As far as everyone using it? I'm not going to in any of my vehicles. E= ethanol. It's made out of corn. To my thinking we could feed the hungry instead of looking into alternative fuels. Ethanol could be considered close to grain alcohol. What it does to vehicles that are not E-85 ready is something you might nt want to experiment with. 100 0ctane? Don't know who said that, but I think it's close to what they called "drip gas" back in the 1980's. Alcohol will ruin a lot of standard rubber gaskets and things like that. Alcohol evaporates quickly, and has no lubrication properties. Run this in an automobile engine that's not designed for it? At your own risk IMO.
In my state, ethanol free signs at gas stations get my business. If I were ever looking into alternative fuels for my vehicles, I figure I'd be buying diesel.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: E85: An Alternative Fuel
e85 is made out of genetically modified corn....people don't eat this kind of corn.
The octane is 104 to 113.
You can't run it in a car that isn't flex fuel unless you do some modifications, but it works quite well, there is zero risk when used properly.
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Can any car use E85 if available or does your car need to be tuned for it. I have no cats on my car and running a 91 MPT tune. I am driving out to Missouri in the upcoming weeks. If my memory serves me correctly, I have seen this E85 out in Missouri. If I want too, can I just fill up with E85? Will I hurt my motor since its not tuned for E85 fuel. I typically run 93 octane. 105 octane would be sweet if I could use while I'm out there.

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Can any car use E85 if available or does your car need to be tuned for it. I have no cats on my car and running a 91 MPT tune. I am driving out to Missouri in the upcoming weeks. If my memory serves me correctly, I have seen this E85 out in Missouri. If I want too, can I just fill up with E85? Will I hurt my motor since its not tuned for E85 fuel. I typically run 93 octane. 105 octane would be sweet if I could use while I'm out there.

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You need a tune and different fuel lines? I don't remember something needs to be changed though.
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Can any car use E85 if available or does your car need to be tuned for it. I have no cats on my car and running a 91 MPT tune. I am driving out to Missouri in the upcoming weeks. If my memory serves me correctly, I have seen this E85 out in Missouri. If I want too, can I just fill up with E85? Will I hurt my motor since its not tuned for E85 fuel. I typically run 93 octane. 105 octane would be sweet if I could use while I'm out there.

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I'll let the experts answer, but another thing to keep in mind is your fuel system needs to be compatible with it. E85 can destroy components that are not made out of materials that will stand up to it.


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Yeah lol. Also if he's so eager to run diesel as an alternative I wonder if he's aware of bio.
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thx for the learning folks. I knew it was ethanol based but didn't understand the power bits.
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You need a tune and different fuel lines? I don't remember something needs to be changed though.
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You need a tune and different fuel lines? I don't remember something needs to be changed though.
On our cars just the injectors, fuel filter and fuel pump and of course the tune.
A GT 500 pump works fine up to around 500 rwhp.
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On our cars just the injectors, fuel filter and fuel pump and of course the tune.
A GT 500 pump works fine up to around 500 rwhp.
I knew it was something just wasn't sure what lol. Thank you.
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I do always get a kick out of reading comments like "we should feed the starving" people just don't understand corn. I assume it is made out of genetically modified feed or field corn right?
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I do always get a kick out of reading comments like "we should feed the starving" people just don't understand corn. I assume it is made out of genetically modified feed or field corn right?
Yup....it's feed stock. Humans can't eat it. There is a movie called "King Corn".
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You know how many times I find people from the coast here for a concert picking feed corn? Lol wrong color tassle bro!
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You know how many times I find people from the coast here for a concert picking feed corn? Lol wrong color tassle bro!
Let 'em eat it...gotta learn somehow.
I mean, I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people, just remove all the warning labels and let things sort themselves out.
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Let 'em eat it...gotta learn somehow.
I mean, I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people, just remove all the warning labels and let things sort themselves out.
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Ugh, don't get me started on warning labels. Some things do legit need them and if you work in some fields lockout/tagout is important. But for the average person needing a label on Windex not to use it as contact solution (example)... yeah...
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Warning label on a screwdriver;
"Don't poke this in your eye."
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We will see what e85 and high boost does on my old 03 cobra. It goes in for the final tune next week.

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The problem is that ethanol is extremely corrosive and all components need to be E85 compliant. For a race car, it might make sense, but the fuel can go bad if not used within a few days. Especially bad for vehicles that are stored during winter. Any cars that are E85 compliant have extensive use of stainless steel components. And the only engines that can make use of the added octane are either tuned for it, or have modifications.
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The problem is that ethanol is extremely corrosive and all components need to be E85 compliant. For a race car, it might make sense, but the fuel can go bad if not used within a few days. Especially bad for vehicles that are stored during winter. Any cars that are E85 compliant have extensive use of stainless steel components. And the only engines that can make use of the added octane are either tuned for it, or have modifications.
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And the only engines that can make use of the added octane are either tuned for it, or have modifications.

That's the point. Most use it for performance purposes.


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The problem is that ethanol is extremely corrosive and all components need to be E85 compliant. For a race car, it might make sense, but the fuel can go bad if not used within a few days. Especially bad for vehicles that are stored during winter. Any cars that are E85 compliant have extensive use of stainless steel components. And the only engines that can make use of the added octane are either tuned for it, or have modifications.
Is this paraphrased from a Honda Civic forum?
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I have dealt with many researchers who are expert on crop based fuels, especial soy based diesel. For race applications, ethanol is a good way to go within limitations. For daily drivers, it is not worth the problems encountered. After replacing injectors on one boat engine due to E15 sludging, I do not use ethanol in any vehicles that do not get used on a regular basis. The only reason we are forced to used ethanol at all, is that some lobbyist told a bunch of politicians that we were close to cellulose based ethanol. Believing that to be true, the feds mandated it as a way to replace MTBE and reduce emissions. It has led to shortages in cattle feed and major price increases on numerous food products. It has also ruined a lot of older cars and boats, so no, I am not a fan.
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e85 is made out of genetically modified corn....people don't eat this kind of corn.
The octane is 104 to 113.
You can't run it in a car that isn't flex fuel unless you do some modifications, but it works quite well, there is zero risk when used properly.
Newsflash! : Almost ALL corn has been genetically modified these days.
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It's ok all you non e85 users will stay driving a boat anchor ๐Ÿ˜Š


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I have dealt with many researchers who are expert on crop based fuels, especial soy based diesel. For race applications, ethanol is a good way to go within limitations. For daily drivers, it is not worth the problems encountered. After replacing injectors on one boat engine due to E15 sludging, I do not use ethanol in any vehicles that do not get used on a regular basis. The only reason we are forced to used ethanol at all, is that some lobbyist told a bunch of politicians that we were close to cellulose based ethanol. Believing that to be true, the feds mandated it as a way to replace MTBE and reduce emissions. It has led to shortages in cattle feed and major price increases on numerous food products. It has also ruined a lot of older cars and boats, so no, I am not a fan.

Ethanol can and is made using other grains besides corn. Any high grain prices from a few years ago was a result of drought. The same drought is what caused the terribly high beef prices.

Believe me, I work in grain and Dad still runs about 80 head of black Angus. I know what the prices do and why.

The older cars need a fuel with lead... Modern lead free fuels without lead do the same thing as an ethanol based fuel. Do a little valve work and tune a carb right and it'll be fine. My 68 Cougar can sit for months and still start better than my 03 GT and runs like a champ.

There is a wealth of information about ethanol out there. Look for farm journal write ups, along with any university and extension research (in other words, credible sources). I don't like it because it costs me 2-4 mpg on just a 10% blend.


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Newsflash! : Almost ALL corn has been genetically modified these days.
No sh@t ....but not all of it is modified so that you can't eat it....which was my point.
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