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Old 10-16-2016, 09:16 AM   #1
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Damn FORD!

First off, even tho my last name is Ford I haven't liked most of their products. Basically I like Rangers and Mustangs, have owned way more Rangers than the cars. My recent impulse purchase of a '16 V6 coupe has had me reading up and it hasn't made me like the company any more. How did the V6 get weaker and have worse fuel economy just because the company wants to promote the Eco-boost? My 6 gets between 30 and 31 on the highway with 89 octane and a K&N filter element with heavy A/C use dragging it as low as 29+. This is a multi week average and not a couple of quick resets. I haven't found a stock Eco-boost to race but I'm doubting the horsepower claims as well. Now we have a Mustang EVO and that's great for those that want them but to have the maker shut down the option list and change specs (at least on paper) to inflate their favorite just sucks.
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The loss of 5 HP from mine to yours is not going to be noticeable and is just in the tune.
The Ecoboost is the new V6, The V6 is being built for the Rental car fleets so the public can still buy them.
They do need the Rental car sales for CAFE on fleet averages and the EcoBoost cost and possible break downs in the first model years would not have worked in anyone's favor.

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The loss of 5 HP from mine to yours is not going to be noticeable and is just in the tune.
The Ecoboost is the new V6, The V6 is being built for the Rental car fleets so the public can still buy them.
They do need the Rental car sales for CAFE on fleet averages and the EcoBoost cost and possible break downs in the first model years would not have worked in anyone's favor.
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30-31 MPG is pretty darn good, I don't see why you're complaining


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30-31 MPG is pretty darn good, I don't see why you're complaining


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X2. Most of the 11-14 guys are getting between 28-33 on the highway. Have to keep in mind it's practically the same engine and the 15s weigh more. Do the 15+ still have a 2.73 gear on the base?


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X2. Most of the 11-14 guys are getting between 28-33 on the highway. Have to keep in mind it's practically the same engine and the 15s weigh more. Do the 15+ still have a 2.73 gear on the base?


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No, they all start at 3.15.
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Damn FORD!

Why would they have engines with a difference of only a few hp?
doesn't make much sense to me(?)


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Why would they have engines with a difference of only a few hp?
doesn't make much sense to me(?)


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Supposedly the shorter runners on the 15+ intake also have something to do with it. They had to reduce height to clear the hood.
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Why would they have engines with a difference of only a few hp?
doesn't make much sense to me(?)


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They likely adjusted the tune to achieve the mpgs they wanted with the additional weight and higher gears that the 15+ had which resulted in a slight loss of hp


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Ok but why introduce a 4cyl. with 310hp & a v6 with 300hp ?


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Ok but why introduce a 4cyl. with 310hp & a v6 with 300hp ?


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Like I said, the EcoBoost is the new V6, the 3.7 Mustang is just around for the Rental car fleets. But since it is around the public can still get the lower priced car.
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It is Obama-logic and heavy government emmission and fuel regulations. The standard Mustang is built for the average buyer. It is not an exotic sports car that is in a class with the Corvette, or high end sports cars. Ford is going to do what it needs to in order to keep the government happy and sell millions of cars to the largest possible section of the buying public.

This does not include the Shelby models. They have restrictions, but the buyers in that price range can pay more to get more power and performance.
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Not complaining about the car at all, I'm a 6 banger guy for longer than many on here have been breathing and this one makes me too happy.
I'm pissed about FOMOCO downgrading my favorite instead of actually building a better beast. I've read that Ford is offering a better tune for the Eco-boost and it will really be the #2 engine then maybe they can quit rating the V6 down to make the 2.3 look better. Maybe they can even put the option packages back for the 6, I looked today and they aren't a build option on the Ford site. Maybe you have to be a grumpy old man to think you should be able to order the car you want for 30+K.
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You have the same hp as my 05 gt, but get at least 12-13 more mpg.

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I highly doubt the option packages will be re-introduced to the v6. They want to phase it out entirely but don't want to give up the rental fleet business. The rentals are the only thing keeping the v6 around.
If they could convince the rental fleets to buy the ecoboost instead, you'd likely see the v6 disappear entirely (at least until they can no longer offer a v8, then you'd see the 6 return with a turbo to replace the 8)
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The EcoBoost is Ford Motor Company's 'Baby'. It's the 'future' of Ford. If you look at other auto makers, they are going with small turbocharged motors too
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Not complaining about the car at all, I'm a 6 banger guy for longer than many on here have been breathing and this one makes me too happy.
I'm pissed about FOMOCO downgrading my favorite instead of actually building a better beast. I've read that Ford is offering a better tune for the Eco-boost and it will really be the #2 engine then maybe they can quit rating the V6 down to make the 2.3 look better. Maybe they can even put the option packages back for the 6, I looked today and they aren't a build option on the Ford site. Maybe you have to be a grumpy old man to think you should be able to order the car you want for 30+K.
Remember, this is the company who said, "You can get a Model T in any color that you want... As long as it is black!"

You can order any $30k Mustang that you want... As long as it does not have a V6!
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Ford wanted to export the Mustang. Nobody likes the v6's in Europe. They like the boosted four-bangers. That's why Ford put the sixers on the back burner. Sales here in the states are the only reason they didn't just eliminate it completely.
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Ford wanted to export the Mustang. Nobody likes the v6's in Europe. They like the boosted four-bangers. That's why Ford put the sixers on the back burner. Sales here in the states are the only reason they didn't just eliminate it completely.
Yet in Europe the 5.0 outsells the little ecoboom by more than half.
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Yet in Europe the 5.0 outsells the little ecoboom by more than half.


I didn't say the dislike V8's lol
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Damn FORD!

My dads 49er has the huge 100hp V8 & he says "That's good enough for me."
& mines 200hp
& the elly is 400
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