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Old 08-19-2017, 11:53 AM   #1
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2018 Mustang GT price gouge

My son had been waiting on a 2018 for HP increase, 10 speed automatic, etc, but after specing one out he's no longer interested.
A fully loaded one is in close distance of a GT 350 in price. Ford has upped their prices considerably on base and options. 1,900.00 on base alone.
I purchased a 2017 Roushcharged GT base in June, which is a true serialized car with supercharger, 670 HP, 3:55 gears, automatic, extreme duty axle shafts with Roush badging for 48K out the door. A lot of car for the money.
Ford may be making a big mistake.
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Definitely not making a big mistake. The new direct injection is worth the price alone. I would spend 48k on a 18 b4 I did on a 16-17


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Pricing, while a big jump from the 17 is well within line with the Camaro. Both are lots of car for the money
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You can pick up "New" 2016 Roush Stage 3s for almost the same price... I know of 3 around $55K
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I did the same as your son, spec'ing out a 2018 GT convertible. With a few more options that my 2015 does not have, the MSRP was nearly $60,000!!!
Not gonna' happen. Just makes me love my 2015 even more.
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For $60 grand I want something unique. Not a box branded Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger. I would be looking for a low mileage Viper.

I'm a sucker for that V10 though. The torque and power is unreal.
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You shopped for & bought a car you can afford, " 2017 Roushcharged GT base ", maybe your son ought to look @ his budget before eyeing a " fully loaded " anything..
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I used Truecar for the invoice price on my 2015. I took an invoice print out to my local Ford dealer and they beat the invoice price by over $1,000. So what is the "real" price on these Mustangs? And as great as the Camaro is supposed to be, why are dealers sitting on tons of unsold Camaros? That was a rhetorical question. Lol
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The price on anything is determined by what people will pay for it, end of story. If the 2018 is priced too high they will not sell many and the price will come down. Look what people are paying for the GT350.
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that^^^

I did look at Fords pricing when people started talking about it. My fun take away was the V8 is 10K more than the ecoboost. yeah I would prefer a V8 (have the 3.7) but 10K!!!!
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When the new models come out don't expect big discounts and big rebates till you see some on the ground or off season sales when the weather gets colder.
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Some things I noticed about the 2017 vs the 2018. Probably been covered before.
1) it seems that the 3.31 axle is gone, now the base axle is 3.55
2) The performance package, in 2017 had spoiler delete, whereas 2018 comes with a specific spoiler... (seems like a really expensive spoiler)
3) Active exhaust is now an option, it was a Roush thing, now seems to have found it's way onto the regular production car.
4) MagnaRide now an option
5) Reverse sensing system is now STANDARD where it was an OPT in 2017
6) Spare tire went from $255 to $405 (pic looks to be the same)
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Okfoz.......Interesting that the 3.31 has gone by the wayside. Probably with the advent of the 10 speed, they are able to have the best of both worlds:

Sub 4 second 0 to 60 in the lower gears.
Lower rpm on the freeway resulting in higher mpg rating.

Sounds like Ford made the best use of the investment they made in the 10 speed. I really like our 2015 with the 3.55's, but the highway rpm is higher than I'd prefer, or is needed. I can however climb almost ANY grade here in the NW at highway speeds without downshifting, so there is that benefit.
And, I guess that 25-mpg in a 435 hp car is still OK. The $30K it would take me to move up to the 2018 I'd want would buy me a LOT of gasoline for our 2015!!
I wonder if, back to back, my butt dyno could tell the difference between a 4.4 second 0 to 60 time and a 3.9 second time.....
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I sure am happy I still love my 2012 and not even thinking of another car.
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Pricing, while a big jump from the 17 is well within line with the Camaro. Both are lots of car for the money
All these new Mustang's and Camaro's, etc. are grossly overpriced IMHO. I paid $18.3k for a brand new 92 GT 5 speed back in the day. If you use the inflation calculators, that's about $30k now. These cars should be closer to that, topping out at $35k.
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A very good point Lee, I would say around $35,000 to $40,000 with some stuff added would be what the cost should be now.
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Okfoz.......Interesting that the 3.31 has gone by the wayside. Probably with the advent of the 10 speed, they are able to have the best of both worlds:

Sub 4 second 0 to 60 in the lower gears.
Lower rpm on the freeway resulting in higher mpg rating.

Sounds like Ford made the best use of the investment they made in the 10 speed. I really like our 2015 with the 3.55's, but the highway rpm is higher than I'd prefer, or is needed. I can however climb almost ANY grade here in the NW at highway speeds without downshifting, so there is that benefit.
And, I guess that 25-mpg in a 435 hp car is still OK. The $30K it would take me to move up to the 2018 I'd want would buy me a LOT of gasoline for our 2015!!
I wonder if, back to back, my butt dyno could tell the difference between a 4.4 second 0 to 60 time and a 3.9 second time.....
The seatometer should feel a .5 second improvement. like you said, not sure if is worth a 30K investment. You are talking >10% improvement.

One thing I have read is some people state that the shorter gears, IE the 3.31 & 3.55 actually perform better in the 1.4 mile than the 3.73 with the performance package, but I think the performance package is less for 1/4 mile time and more for road course.

When I got my car with the Roush SC, someone said I should upgrade from the 670HP to the 730HP, apparently it is only .2 improvement in the 1/4 mile, which was not enough to void my warranty.
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Like I said b4 Direct injection makes it all worth it.


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All these new Mustang's and Camaro's, etc. are grossly overpriced IMHO. I paid $18.3k for a brand new 92 GT 5 speed back in the day. If you use the inflation calculators, that's about $30k now. These cars should be closer to that, topping out at $35k.
yeah but the performance/safety improvements over a 92 are huge.

and who here paid list for their car....I know you will when significantly improved models come out but that is what early adopters get (in addition to today's latest and greatest)

I still want one......
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All these new Mustang's and Camaro's, etc. are grossly overpriced IMHO. I paid $18.3k for a brand new 92 GT 5 speed back in the day. If you use the inflation calculators, that's about $30k now. These cars should be closer to that, topping out at $35k.
To do a comparison, a 1992 Mustang GT in stock form is about 14.5 - 15 second car in the 1/4 mile, according to the magazines. The 2017 V6 or the Ecoboost 4 Cyl would beat it in every way. I have the same problem with my 3rd generation Firebirds, they are slow by today's standards.

You can get a base 2017 Mustang for $26,000, which would be faster than the 92, and by inflation standards is less than what you paid for your car in 1992.
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yeah but the performance/safety improvements over a 92 are huge.

and who here paid list for their car....I know you will when significantly improved models come out but that is what early adopters get (in addition to today's latest and greatest)

I still want one......

You could say that for all cars. I would think that would sort of even out the cost for performance/safety. Lol, yeah I want one too.
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To do a comparison, a 1992 Mustang GT in stock form is about 14.5 - 15 second car in the 1/4 mile, according to the magazines. The 2017 V6 or the Ecoboost 4 Cyl would beat it in every way. I have the same problem with my 3rd generation Firebirds, they are slow by today's standards.

You can get a base 2017 Mustang for $26,000, which would be faster than the 92, and by inflation standards is less than what you paid for your car in 1992.

It's true, but as it should be in regard to performance and that many years between them. It's hard to compare options to options with something from so long ago since "base" options have changed dramatically over the years. I get what you're saying and maybe they'll sell for a good amount less than sticker 6 months after release.

I don't think my pay has increased on the same level as the cost of a new vehicle over the years lol.
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It's true, but as it should be in regard to performance and that many years between them. It's hard to compare options to options with something from so long ago since "base" options have changed dramatically over the years. I get what you're saying and maybe they'll sell for a good amount less than sticker 6 months after release.

I don't think my pay has increased on the same level as the cost of a new vehicle over the years lol.
I know I had a friend with a 3rd gen mustang and it had crank windows, and manual locks. Power windows and locks are standard on a new mustang, so yes, many base things have changed... Amazingly the base new mustang is about the same as a medium to well optioned car 30 years ago. Amazing how times change.

If history is a tell and if you can find them, around March the 2017's will have the deepest discounts to move them off lots. If you want a 2018 you will probably have to wait until July before discounts start rolling in on the new cars, but by then the 2019's will be in the works, and you will be looking at all the nifty new features and the higher prices on those...

It is a vicious cycle, and prices just go up and up, rarely see a year when the new model is less expensive.
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So 60,000 on a 2018 or something like this? Lol. I don't have 60 grand laying around but I'd much rather have a gt350. I don't see myself ever owning a new vehicle.
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So 60,000 2018 or this? Lol

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not a total derail, but.......

I priced out new Vettes last night (on-line) I figure I could get what I want for 50-60K brand new with the higher number being the Grand Sport. I really like the new style and a few years in to the model cycle you can get them for 5-9K less than sticker. I've started doing a couple of trial balloons with Mrs Mud with no definite yes/no from her.

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2018 Mustang GT price gouge

^ sign me up for a loaded Carbon 65 GS. Love them, but not the 100k price tag.
It's getting ridiculous how expensive cars are getting nowadays.

Pick your poison.
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forgot to mention....besides the 1K option for factory delivery (cool but idk if it's worth it) for $5K you can have say in what your VIN is. It did mention your choice is limited but it is a choice.
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not a total derail, but.......

I priced out new Vettes last night (on-line) I figure I could get what I want for 50-60K brand new with the higher number being the Grand Sport. I really like the new style and a few years in to the model cycle you can get them for 5-9K less than sticker. I've started doing a couple of trial balloons with Mrs Mud with no definite yes/no from her.

I like my Stang but want something more fun to drive
You can get a (new/Used) 2016 Roush Stage 3 for that price range... And have something that is more unusual than a Corvette, AND faster than a corvette except for the Z06... The Z51 C&D clocked 1/4 mile at 12.2 seconds, and the Roush is said to be a 11.3 second car. It is nothing but pure joy to drive.
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You can get a (new/Used) 2016 Roush Stage 3 for that price range... And have something that is more unusual than a Corvette, AND faster than a corvette except for the Z06... The Z51 C&D clocked 1/4 mile at 12.2 seconds, and the Roush is said to be a 11.3 second car. It is nothing but pure joy to drive.

A stage 3 roush is definitely not FAST, the roush tune is what causes that.


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A stage 3 roush is definitely not FAST, the roush tune is what causes that.


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It has a supercharger with 670 HP, full warranty... not sure why you think it is not fast...

The stage 1 & 2 are just a tune, some exhaust upgrades, maybe a CAI, the Stage 3 is a completely different animal.
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It has a supercharger with 670 HP, full warranty... not sure why you think it is not fast...

The stage 1 & 2 are just a tune, some exhaust upgrades, maybe a CAI, the Stage 3 is a completely different animal.

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