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Old 09-21-2004, 02:11 PM   #1
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Need some saleen knowlege!

I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THEM BUT THEY GO UP TO 200MPH!!! Is it worth to buy one or to go wth a cobra?? Do they have 02-04 models of the saleen sc??

But if someone knows alot of stuff about them id gladly like to hear!!
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Old 09-21-2004, 02:15 PM   #2
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I believe the Saleen is just a GT with a blower and bodykit...

The Cobra is not a GT with a blower, it is a 4V engine, where the GT is a 2V engine..
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Does that make a big difference of having a 2v or 4v??
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I believe the Saleen is just a GT with a blower and bodykit...
plus little suspension stuff.
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Does that make a big difference of having a 2v or 4v??
yes, more powa

and I think you are talking about the Saleen S7 going 200mph
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they make saleen cobras but they are $$$$. If you want a saleen I say get a saleen s351, or any foxbody saleen coupe.
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Does that make a big difference of having a 2v or 4v??
gt hp: 260
non-blown cobra: 320

Im pretty sure thats the correct amount of hp for the cobra just trying to go by memory.
the 05 gt is 3v and it has 300hp so i think 320 is right...
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I would go with the 03-04 Cobra... Some of those goes are pushing around 700HP with a Kenne Bell "Blowzilla"... Plus your talking about a 4V engine, cast iron block, forged pistons... Very nice engine... Saleens are nice, got some nice upgrades on them, but like "fast64" said, I would go with a s351 if I was going to put out the money for a Saleen

2004 Saleen s281-E = Horsepoer 445 hp @ 6,000 RPM - Torque 450 ft. @ 4000 RPM
2004 Saleen s281-SC = Horsepower 375 hp @ 5800 RPM - Torque 415ft. @ 3500 RPM
2004 SVT Cobra = Horsepower 390 hp @ 6,000 rpm - Torque 390ft. @ 3,500 rpm

With a few mods, you can the Cobra running some pretty decent power... Mainly a pulley change so you are running a higher PSI. Adding a Kenne Bell Supercharger, chip, exhaust... You will definately feel the power...

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http://www.kennebell.net/supercharge...03/cobra03.htm
http://www.saleen.com/index.html
http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/
http://www.mycobra.us/ - A guys personal page that is running a Kenne Bell and other mods, pushing 570rwhp and 503 Torque
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Definitely go with a cobra. You will lose some of the suspension mods and the body kits that Saleen puts on, but overall I think it is the better deal. You can pick up a lightly used 03/04 cobra for 25-35 k these days. A lot of guys from SVTPerformace.com are selling theirs with blowzillas/KB/Many other mods already. Don't understand why, but, these are also the guys that bought an 03 cash...then traded it on an 04 and again paid cash.

Anyhow...back on topic. If you pick up a new 03/04, with about 2-3k in mods, you will be sitting between 450-500 rwhp depending on the parts and the tunes. So, now you are sitting at about 38k for a coupe with mods...or 42k for a vert with mods. The SC saleen, last I remember was like 65k for the vert or something like that. With the money you save, you can mod the cobra to be on bad mofo.

Now, if you get the chance to pick up an S351...jump on that. I think that is the only car I would think about trading my cobra in on. But, they stopped making them in 99.

Anyhow, go with the cobra.

PS...a cobra will be able to go in the range of 175-178 mph if you get a tune and remove the speed limiter. For 25 mph and a savings of 25k, it would be worth it since you prolly won't get a chance to run 200 mph anyhow.
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I drool over both cars, Saleen looks so much more sexier with that body kit, I saw one today when going home from school. Like an 03 Saleen, ash gray color. Middle age guy in there, grinning away as he drove. Wish that was me :-/ But then again I just love Cobras. The intimidation....
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The S281-Es set back is that billet flywheel. Not the best for launches.

Honsetly, I'd rather have the Saleen. So much already there that all you have to do is just play with the engine a little bit.
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guy here in town has a S-281 conv...dang it's clean looking. Red with tan int and top. Just looks plain mean driving down the road at ya
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I see what you guys are saying!! THANKS I guess ill go with my original plan! What are the different models of the saleen about?? s281 and 351, etc.??//
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I don't know the details about each model, but if you go to the saleen website posted above it will give you the rundown on each. They used to give you the price too, but I don't see that there anymore.

Basically, the S281 is your entry level car, naturally aspirated. The S281 SC is the next step up with a super charger on it. The S281 E is the top line model with a super charger and some upgrades from the SC. As would be expected, as you move up the model list, the price jumps to the point where I believe the S281E is in the $60k range for the coupe and the vert before options and any dealer markup that might occur.

As far as the S351, those were less HP (395 Block HP) then the current 281E's (425ish Block HP), but they are just super rare. Most years didn't have more than 100 produced I don't think (don't quote me as I am not a saleen expert anymore). They had a supercharged 351 windsor in them.

Anyhow...check out saleen's web site and you will see what the break down is on each model.

(You could always go the S7 route...now that would be nice. lol)
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281 ci 351 ci
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Yea lol!
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they also don't make the 351 any more
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Old 09-21-2004, 05:40 PM   #18
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they also don't make the 351 any more
Exactly...back in 99...was the last year, which also happens to be the last year I kept up with the Saleen world...coincidence? :chin: <-- EDIT: Chin smile doesn't work....so... :pnoid: instead. hmmm....

Now, if they would just bring the 351 back...
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I want a fox saleen coupe!!! sssooo sweet, my neighbor had an 89 saleen vert one day that he was selling on ebay, but he wouldnt take the 64, the 90, and $1000 cash for it he ended up getting $10,800 for it on ebay
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Old 09-21-2004, 06:09 PM   #20
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Cobra = IRS

GT/Saleen = SRA

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i like saleen, but i would only get saleen if you dont plan on doing many mods in appearance and other things, if you want to customize it and mod it yourself go cobra hands down.
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Now, if they would just bring the 351 back...
They stopped the S351 when they couldn't get the car to pass emissions. Enter the S281-E.
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Yup. But they still could bring it back. There are cars out there that have a 351 in it. Even if it came back with a Ford GT type setup instead of the 351. I just never accepted the S281 SC and then the S281 E as a worthwhile replacement. The part that annoyed me most was that the 281E came out with 425 BHP and the cobra came out with "390" BHP for ~30k less. There aren't 30k worth of suspension, brakes, exhaust, and body kit mods on the saleen. If you picked up the cobra, you could easily bring it to a comparable level without spending the 30k. Plus, the cobras are around 425 BHP stock as well so the extra HP wouldnt sell me on it. The insurance rates are probably higher on a saleen as well I would think.

Of course, this is all just my opinion and I am a little biased as I do own an 03 cobra and am still bitter for the ending of the 351. That was my dream car till it stopped. Can still get a used one I know, but to be the original owner would have been a great thing to me.

None the less, Saleen and the cobra are both great selections. It all depends on what you want to spend on a car/name/reputation.
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So a cobra with a blower on it is faster than a saleen s7???
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Not a chance. The S7 is a beast. Now, I think the Ford GT with a little tweaking might stay close, but a cobra wouldn't have a shot unless you really started modding it. Hell, I think the cobra weighs nearly twice as much as the S7 so you would have to jack the HP on the cobra through the roof to catch the (what is it, 500+ HP on the S7 with a weight of like 2200 lbs) S7. That would be a hell of a cobra though.

A cobra is about as fast as a Saleen 281-E. The E might edge it stock for stock, but it is a pretty close comparison. About 2k worth of mods and you will be nearing the 500 rwhp in a cobra for about 20k less than the E.
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ooh, just broke the tie!

cobra all the way
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Good call.
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But a cobra with nearly 600 or 700 hp can take a saleen s7 RIGHT??
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Ok, here goes.

Saleen S7: 575 Block HP @ 2750 lbs. Very high power to weight ratio. This is a good thing. This car is also extremely aerodynamic. Another good thing.

03/04 Cobra: 390 Block HP (really about 420) @ 3600 lbs. Not so good of a power to weight ratio. Mustangs are also not very aerodynamic.

In order for a mustang cobra to compete with the saleen S7 in a straight line, the cobra would need to be make about 130% of the horsepower that the saleen is running. I am basing this solely on the fact that the saleen weighs in at 76% of the weight of the cobra. This would mean that a cobra would need to produce 752 horse power to compete. Now, if you add in the fact that a saleen S7 is like a flying wedge, it will cut through the air much easier than the flat faced mustang. So, you would actually need to bump that number up to probably around 900 ish horsepower for the mustang.

Now, I am not an expert on the conversions, but I know a mustang would need over 850-900 HP to match a saleen S7.

Out of curiousity though, you do know an S7 is not a mustang right? It is a super car like the Ford GT, Lambourgini Mercialogo (sp), Ferrari Enzo, etc right? Plus, the S7 will run you a cool $400,000 to start.
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Yea i know thanks for the info though!
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if you can afford a saleen s7... then come give me a ride in it... if not, stick with a cobra... a s281, s281-sc,s281-e is nothing more than an over priced gt with a bodykit and some mods... a built cobra would smoke them all day long, and a lightly modded cobra would still spank one.. save money by getting a cobra, use the money u saved for a kenne bell supercharger, exhaust, chip, tune, and whatever your heart desires and then go pick on some saleens
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I see what you guys are talking about! "MAKES SENSE"!!
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