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Old 05-22-2011, 03:24 PM   #1
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I have a 2007 v6 auto that is all stock. Earlier today, I went to advanced auto parts. As I was taking a look at some wheel cleaners, I noticed some cone filters that caught my eye. All I want is the filter, not the tube as I can use my stock tube. What all do I need to use a cone filter with my stock intake? Where can i get he parts needed and around how much? Thanks
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:12 PM   #2
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Not sure if the cone will work with Stock setup... I have a 07v6 and went with the whole CAI. Also changed muffler and some other stuff but the Cone should only be used with the new CAI( I think)
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I think u should just try an get the whole set up and it might look weird also with just the cone.... I went with the bbk set up with my 2010 v6 here r some pics
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Re: Cai help

It will work because the Air sensor will compensate...However, You will have a number of different problems.

1.You will have to custom fabricate both the tube and filter to fit.

2. I can bet money it won't be street legal and it sounds like its a daily driver.

3. Horsepower gains will be hard to judge and may not be worth the effort.

Lastly, if you really don't wanna get a full CAI but you still want some decent power gains. Try getting a new filter insert for your current intake this wont break the bank but can still get you a modest power increase. Let me know if you have any more questions or if you want me to recommend a exact filter option.

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Re: Cai help

i think the 4.0L's are ok with an intake as far as the stock tune goes... but can someone confirm. I know the 4.6 3v's dont like intakes without a tune can be dangerous.
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i think the 4.0L's are ok with an intake as far as the stock tune goes... but can someone confirm. I know the 4.6 3v's dont like intakes without a tune can be dangerous.
I can confirm that yes it is true the stock 4.0 doesn't need a tune to run new intakes. The stock motor program from ford auto re-calibrates for more air coming then normal in this however is designed for changes in altitude; therefore, without a tune your car wont be pushing the full limits of your shiny new CAI.

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I can confirm that yes it is true the stock 4.0 doesn't need a tune to run new intakes. The stock motor program from ford auto re-calibrates for more air coming then normal in this however is designed for changes in altitude; therefore, without a tune your car wont be pushing the full limits of your shiny new CAI.

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Hi JD,
Interesting post. I've not bothered with a tuner because I'm not keen on going to a higher octane, especially with the price of gas these days. Are you suggesting that there is a tweak that I could do to get more out of my CAI without going nuts.
BTW, I'm on the west coast (Canada) and I'm kicking myself for not asking for 3.73s, most of my driving is hills and corners, rats.
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Hi JD,
Interesting post. I've not bothered with a tuner because I'm not keen on going to a higher octane, especially with the price of gas these days. Are you suggesting that there is a tweak that I could do to get more out of my CAI without going nuts.
BTW, I'm on the west coast (Canada) and I'm kicking myself for not asking for 3.73s, most of my driving is hills and corners, rats.
Ok, so the deal is that tunes are designed for ANYTHING you want within the limits of your engine. The fact is there are 3 general Categories I have seen as options for tunes off programmers (I'm not including dynotuning)

1.CAI + a "Economy" tune: Will make your car lose Performance but gain a good amount of mileage by using less throttle body/better use of intake Etc...

2.CAI + a Low Octane Performance tune: Will make your car gain performance overall from slight cam timing changes/rpm changes/governor removal/better use of the intake when programmed right Etc... this type will MAINTAIN gas mileage as you are asking but you wont really see very incredible power bonuses like with 3.

3.CAI + a HIGH PERFORMANCE TUNE this gets you the whole package. All the bells and whistles are out and your engine is doing everything it can to suck in air pump in gas and create power.

I believe you are referring too number two. This sorta tune functions better with a CAI because then the computer then has a higher set oxygen flow rate meaning it can raise the max fuel amount pumped in at maximum petal pressure as well. It simply allows a higher cap on the amount of air fuel mixture entered when your put your foot down but still maintains that minimum which you love for the MPG's. So the answer is yes a tune with CAI will improve performance more together then if you added up the horsepower bonuses separate because they work together to get your engine functioning better then FORD intended.

Sorry its a bit of a read.....I guess I try to explain everything when I get asked a question.....

If I didn't answer your question or, If you have any more questions feel free to PM me I'll me more then happy to help you out in any way I can!

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Re: Cai help

Thanks for taking the time for posting such a thorough response.

You are right, No. 2 is what I'd be looking at right now but it would be nice to have the option to boost performance as you describe in No.3.

Guess I'd better look into a tuner.

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Re: Cai help

No problem!

If you look around enough you can find the right tuner that can help you get exactly what you want maybe even with multiple tune settings for you as your mood goes from hardcore to modest.

Let me know if you need any more help!

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Re: Cai help

Go with a whole new air intake dude.
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I'm also looking into getting a CAI for my 09 Mustang V6. I'm just curious as to weather there is a true difference between the big name brand CAIs that can run up to $300+ and the ones that you can get on eBay for around $65. Sorry for my ignorance, but to me they all seem pretty similar. Just a tube with a bigger coned filter. Or is there more to it? Thanks.
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Some filters aren't washable or have the same flow rates as others. SOME even go so far as to fake the dyno results. The difference come down to who you trust for the best. If k&n has a filter with 20 hp boost for $500 and some off the wall brand offers 20 hp for $100 you have to decide if you really want to get power or "possible" power under perfectly ideal conditions. Some will argue that certain brands will really get you the gains (cause they bought those) but the only way to be sure is to dyno it yourself or buy one that you trust.

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Would I need any sort of tune for a k&n drop in filter?
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Re: Cai help

A lot of good advise JD. DrSalt - you should not need a tune for a drop-in filter. When you go the CAI route then it may be necessary. If you want to get all that you pay for in a CAI you will want a tune.

I finally broke-down and bought a tuner and I wish I had done it sooner. I bought an SCT SF3/X3 from AM. This comes with free custom tunes from Bama for life. They are quite easy to talk to and they will work with you to get what you want. By the way, if you have an automatic the tuner will really make a difference.

Hope this helps.
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