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Old 09-14-2013, 01:00 PM   #1
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300rwhp Quest!

So after dynoing last week I laid down 210rwhp...not awful for boltons! But now I want more, way more! So I'm looking to turn my 4.0 into a stroked 4.3L built motor! Mod plans:
-Bore out stock intake
-Port and Polish stock throttle body
-Custom CNC stock heads
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-Tom Morana 4.3L stroker kit

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How much will that cost?
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How much will that cost?
A stock intake off eBay is like $20-$50 used...heads are a couple hundred from a junkyard 4.0 (only need the heads so if it got rear ended then the motor is still good)...throttle body is $110 off eBay from a small company that ports the stock throttle body or I can do for free, and the cams I'm guessing will be several hundred dollars for custom ones and the stroker kit is $2600

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I think you are a moron
I don't much care haha
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Lmao im not saying i agree with dark2007 but then again i kinda do.
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Lmao im not saying i agree with dark2007 but then again i kinda do.
I mean if y'all think it's dumb then that's your opinion. I'm doing what I want to do
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Well I'm not gonna tell you what to do obviously it's your car do what makes you happy. You don't have to impress us.
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this guy^ & dark2007
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What? I'm saying do what he wants to his car, whatever makes him happy. I'm not gonna tell him not to build his motor. I mean i wouldn't but its whatever
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I don't see how but okay. OP what suspension mods do you have if any?
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I'm really confused at the hilarity, I wana build my motor. That's all there is to it. It'll be making good power and be very rare
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I know thats what you want to do. How much power do you expect out of all this?
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it will be cheaper and you can go over 300 bhp with forced induction alone. it's very hard to get 300 with the mods you mentioned because this engine is extremely basic: 2 valves per cylinder, indirect injection, no VCT but a good compression ratio.
Or, for much less, you can add NOS and you keep a decent mpg and you blow out anyone at the stopping light

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and no, you are not crazy that's how normal people should be
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I know thats what you want to do. How much power do you expect out of all this?
I figure I could get 300ish horsepower

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it will be cheaper and you can go over 300 bhp with forced induction alone. it's very hard to get 300 with the mods you mentioned because this engine is extremely basic: 2 valves per cylinder, indirect injection, no VCT but a good compression ratio.
Or, for much less, you can add NOS and you keep a decent mpg and you blow out anyone at the stopping light

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and no, you are not crazy that's how normal people should be
And no, you cannot simply bolt on a supercharger to this motor or run nos...you'll tear it apart
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And no, you cannot simply bolt on a supercharger to this motor or run nos...you'll tear it apart
well, except for the fuel lines and the intake, the rest is stock for a supercharger. and for nos, you don't need to modify anything unless you go for over 100bhp shots. that's why there is stage 1,2,3...
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well, except for the fuel lines and the intake, the rest is stock for a supercharger. and for nos, you don't need to modify anything unless you go for over 100bhp shots. that's why there is stage 1,2,3...
I wouldn't risk it...I know guys say you can do it but I'm definitely a "piece of mind" kinda guy
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Super six Motorsports should have anything you need. It is pricey. You can put an extreme supercharger on your stock motor with no problems and gain 100hp. The best forum for serious v6 mods would be at the Mustang Collective. I hope this helps you with your goal. Good luck.
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I wouldn't risk it...I know guys say you can do it but I'm definitely a "piece of mind" kinda guy
Nitrous is perfectly safe it it's tuned right. 100 shot and a good tune and you are set.
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Have you reviewed the specs on the Morana stroker? It is really not something for daily driving. Aluminum rods will stretch and require replacing on a regular basis. It isn't going to give you the "piece [sic] of mind" that you are seeking.


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And no, you cannot simply bolt on a supercharger to this motor or run nos...you'll tear it apart
Really?

Tell that to all of the guys who have done it successfully.

My 2006 ran nitrous for two seasons. At 90,000 miles I pulled the nitrous off and put the Xcharger Xtreme on it, pushing 10 - 12 lbs of boost and 298 RWHP and over 300 torque. That car was still running mid 12's the week before I sold it last year --- with 203,000 miles on it all on the stock upper and lower. It now has 212,000 on it and the new owner had it redynoed and tuned this summer. It is still running strong, everything checks out on compression and leak down tests.

Over at the Mustang Collective there are a bunch of boosted 4.0's, all running stock internals. Brumby has the Powerhouse turbo on his, it runs in the low 11's, has done 10's, and he runs a lot of boost and has >400 RWHP. The only change was to a stronger valve spring to handle the turbo back pressure.

Sorry, but the real world doesn't support your guess that the 4.0 will "tear itself apart" by putting a supercharger or turbo or nitrous on it.

("peace of mind" not piece and it is nitrous not nos or nawsss as the fast and furious crowd says it)
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Have you reviewed the specs on the Morana stroker? It is really not something for daily driving. Aluminum rods will stretch and require replacing on a regular basis.

Really?

Tell that to all of the guys who have done it successfully.

My 2006 ran nitrous for two seasons. At 90,000 miles I pulled the nitrous off and put the Xcharger Xtreme on it, pushing 10 - 12 lbs of boost and 298 RWHP and over 300 torque. That car was still running mid 12's the week before I sold it last year --- with 203,000 miles on it all on the stock upper and lower. It now has 212,000 on it and the new owner had it redynoed and tuned this summer. It is still running strong, everything checks out on compression and leak down tests.

Over at the Mustang Collective there are a bunch of boosted 4.0's, all running stock internals. Brumby has the Powerhouse turbo on his, it runs in the low 11's, has done 10's, and he runs a lot of boost and has >400 RWHP. The only change was to a stronger valve spring to handle the turbo back pressure.

Sorry, but the real world doesn't support your guess that the 4.0 will "tear itself apart" by putting a supercharger or turbo or nitrous on it.
If it's not necessary or longevity to have a forged motor then why does the Cobra and GT500 come forged?
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Comparing different things and different builds; the old 4.6 couldn't handle what SVT wanted. A Shelby GT500 is a special build, hand assembled, for a special purpose and more collectible vehicle, that buyers will pay for and expect the upgrade and is pushing limits from the factory.

Real world experience shows you don't have to forge the 4.0 - the stock internals will handle it.
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Comparing different things and different builds; the old 4.6 couldn't handle what SVT wanted. A Shelby GT500 is a special build, hand assembled, for a special purpose and more collectible vehicle, that buyers will pay for and expect the upgrade and is pushing limits from the factory.

Real world experience shows you don't have to forge the 4.0 - the stock internals will handle it.
The GT500 is not hand built! It rolls off from the factory
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Ah read what I said -- the engine is hand built on the Romeo assembly line, signed by the guys who built it. We weren't talking about the body, the engine is what you were referring to.

Has Morana actually delivered any of his stroker kits by the way? I heard several people interested when he first came out with it, but have not heard of any actually being built still.
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+10000 to everything JimC said. He knows his ****.
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+1. My 97 cobra and my GT 500 both have plates on the engines with the names of the people who hand built them engraved in them.

It's ur car bro, build it the way u like. If u want NA or sprayed, there are ways to do both.
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Ah read what I said -- the engine is hand built on the Romeo assembly line, signed by the guys who built it. We weren't talking about the body, the engine is what you were referring to.

Has Morana actually delivered any of his stroker kits by the way? I heard several people interested when he first came out with it, but have not heard of any actually being built still.
You didn't say the engine, you said the GT500. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But enough side talk....back to the original topic. If y'all don't advise the Tom Morana kit then what other alternative?
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You didn't say the engine, you said the GT500. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But enough side talk....back to the original topic. If y'all don't advise the Tom Morana kit then what other alternative?
The 4.0 is a really solid motor and can take a beating. Your best bet would be supercharger or nitrous.
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I don't really want to use a power adder...I want to see how much I can get out this motor naturally aspirated. Just seems like a cool/different way to do a 4.0
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I don't really want to use a power adder...I want to see how much I can get out this motor naturally aspirated. Just seems like a cool/different way to do a 4.0
I think there was someone on here who made around 280 with most of the stuff you're planning.
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I think there was someone on here who made around 280 with most of the stuff you're planning.
At the wheels?
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At the wheels?
Not entirely sure on that one.
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You wont get what you want with NA

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You're gonna do all NA work and not be happy then have to spend more money on top of that for FI just FI now
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Did you check out super six Motorsports site yet. The have heads, cams, or a built short block.
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Did you check out super six Motorsports site yet. The have heads, cams, or a built short block.
Yeah...way to expensive for me! Haha
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