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Old 10-07-2013, 08:44 PM   #1
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Difficulty Starting

Just put up the 94 Hybrid tune from Bama a few weeks ago. Everything has been good but for the last two days, starts have been difficult. Today I've had to crank the key 3 times to get the engine going.

What should I be looking for? Bama said the tune wouldn't cause this, and I believe them.
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have u loaded tunes from them before?
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Do you have a rainy or cold weather? Also, when is the last time you changed the spark plugs or fuel filter?
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I haven't loaded a tune from them before but this didn't happen for about 2 weeks after the tune loaded so I don't think it's that.

We have has rainy weather but I replaced all the wires, plugs, coil packs last month all from AM.

Haven't checked the fuel filter recently, I'll check tomorrow. Anything else?
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The starter, the alternator, the battery, spark plugs
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after it starts, does it run smoothly? also, don't press the brake and definitely not the acceleration pedal when you start it.
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I'm interested in what Knooper3 mentioned as well. How well does the car run once it starts? How's it behave cruising and WOT?

It's also a good idea to change the fuel filter. Even if it's not causing the an issue right now, a clogged fuel filter can cause other problems down the road. I highly suggest changing the fuel filter out since you're not aware of the last time it was changed.

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after it starts, does it run smoothly? also, don't press the brake and definitely not the acceleration pedal when you start it.
The car runs perfectly fine after it starts.
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The car runs perfectly fine after it starts.
then it's narrowed down to the starter. if there was a battery problem it would not start at all because it would be much weaker by the time you would get to the third try. and if it runs smoothly the ignition does work ok and the fuel filter should be ok if you don't feel anything bad at WOT as AMShaneLesky said.
Also, the rainy weather is bad for starting and it does produce similar symptoms specially if you don't use it for a day or two and it sat in the rain. so, the cheapest thing you can do for now is keep it in a dry place for a while and see if it gets any better, hopefully it does
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I parked in te garage for the last two days and it still happens. I returned the tune to stock and its much better now.

When I called Bama they said it wouldn't do anything to affect startup but since the tune is the only thing changing, it's difficult to say its not causing it.
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I parked in te garage for the last two days and it still happens. I returned the tune to stock and its much better now. When I called Bama they said it wouldn't do anything to affect startup but since the tune is the only thing changing, it's difficult to say its not causing it.
Haha nice! So right now it starts from the first try?
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Haha nice! So right now it starts from the first try?
Yeah it's much easier. I put it back on hybrid 94 last night. I will see how it cold starts this morning.
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Were you able to try the stock tune on a completely cold start? Similar to what you mentioned above, letting the car sit all night and starting it in the morning? Since we already know you were having issues with a cold start and the Bama tune uploaded, I would like to see how it starts completely cold with the stock tune.

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Were you able to try the stock tune on a completely cold start? Similar to what you mentioned above, letting the car sit all night and starting it in the morning? Since we already know you were having issues with a cold start and the Bama tune uploaded, I would like to see how it starts completely cold with the stock tune.

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I cold started last night with a stock tune and it started up just fine. I haven't been to the car yet to try the hybrid tune on a cold start; when I do i will let you know.
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So it turns out the 94 is still fine. It may have been a temporary problem. Anyways I have another question regarding this tune.

When I push the pedal all the way in and te car gets going (upto the speed limit in a safe manner of course) when the car shifts I can really feel the shifting, they're aggressive. I am of course understanding that this is to be expected. My question is that the sound that the car makes when it shifts aggressively like that. It's sounds like "pssst" or like the blow-off valve on turbos.

Any ideas?
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what's your exhaust setup?
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what's your exhaust setup?
Ford racing duals. No CAI yet.
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Hmm... not enough back pressure?
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Hmm... not enough back pressure?
Well I have no idea. I'll call Bama also. I'm not as experienced with cars as some of you guys so I thought maybe some of you would have experienced something like this at some point.
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So it turns out the 94 is still fine. It may have been a temporary problem. Anyways I have another question regarding this tune.

When I push the pedal all the way in and te car gets going (upto the speed limit in a safe manner of course) when the car shifts I can really feel the shifting, they're aggressive. I am of course understanding that this is to be expected. My question is that the sound that the car makes when it shifts aggressively like that. It's sounds like "pssst" or like the blow-off valve on turbos.

Any ideas?
That's interesting the issue is inconsistent. This definitely sounds like something mechanical to me. Only because the tune never changes and should be consistent with symptoms if they are related.

Definitely give the Bama Team a call and talk to them about the noise you're hearing. I'm not familiar with what you're describing, but maybe one of the Bama guys has heard of it.

Let us know if you have any updates!

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That's interesting the issue is inconsistent. This definitely sounds like something mechanical to me. Only because the tune never changes and should be consistent with symptoms if they are related.

Definitely give the Bama Team a call and talk to them about the noise you're hearing. I'm not familiar with what you're describing, but maybe one of the Bama guys has heard of it.

Let us know if you have any updates!

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So the car is starting perfectly fine. Maybe it was just those two odd days lol.

In terms of the sound when shifting, they have no idea. They sent me the 93 H tune again in case the one I have is somehow corrupted or something. -.-
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If it begins to having issues on starting again, another thing that wasn't mentioned was your ignition system. If you still have the stock spark plugs and wires or even the cool pack, could be causing issues and not getting a good spark to ignite with. Battery is not the issue. Starter could be going out but unless you have 100k on the engine that should not be it. If it was the alternator your car would eventually just die and not start back up.
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If it begins to having issues on starting again, another thing that wasn't mentioned was your ignition system. If you still have the stock spark plugs and wires or even the cool pack, could be causing issues and not getting a good spark to ignite with. Battery is not the issue. Starter could be going out but unless you have 100k on the engine that should not be it. If it was the alternator your car would eventually just die and not start back up.
All the plugs, wires and coil pack was replaced less than a month ago. The car has around 44k on it.
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Then go through the entire fuel injection system, starting with the fuel filter, could be clogging it up and causing a shortage of fuel to start.
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So the car is starting perfectly fine. Maybe it was just those two odd days lol.

In terms of the sound when shifting, they have no idea. They sent me the 93 H tune again in case the one I have is somehow corrupted or something. -.-
Hmm... It definitely sounds like something mechanical, like I mentioned earlier. Since you already replaced your entire ignition system, it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace the fuel filter just in case. The fuel filter is a cheap and easy replacement, but can cause some serious issues if clogged.

Let me know if the symptoms kick back up again!

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Hmm... It definitely sounds like something mechanical, like I mentioned earlier. Since you already replaced your entire ignition system, it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace the fuel filter just in case. The fuel filter is a cheap and easy replacement, but can cause some serious issues if clogged.

Let me know if the symptoms kick back up again!

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+1 like I said before.
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also, do you still have the old ingition parts?
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also, do you still have the old ingition parts?
Good idea. Take your new things off one by one and out your old ones on and see if it changes. Faulty coil pack??
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Good idea. Take your new things off one by one and out your old ones on and see if it changes. Faulty coil pack??
that's what i was thinking, i've heard about faulty coils, or wires not sending strong enough signal because by mistake they had a bend or something
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Yeah sounds reasonable, definetly try that man that may be it
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Will do. Thanks brothers/sisters
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