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Old 08-22-2012, 12:53 PM   #1
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What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ? My friends got the v8 stock and I have yet to race him , what mods would it take to beat him ?
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Just supercharge! End of story lol
But I'd think tune, cai and 4.10s most likely idk for sure though
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Tune and cai might beat him. Throw on a full exhaust and radials and I'm pretty sure you'll definitely beat him.
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What exhaust would be an upgrade from the current stock exhaust that i already have ?
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Its all personal preference on sound but i think choosing from cats and pipes and headers you could get some hp.
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What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ? My friends got the v8 stock and I have yet to race him , what mods would it take to beat him ?
Just a tune might do it. Cai's are almost pointless for performance imo. Grab gears with that money and seal the deal on the win. You know what gears are in his GT though?
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Those 05-10 GT only have a few HP on your 3.7, problem is that is has much more torque. They will get off the line faster. I would suggest 3:73 gears, cai, and a tune at a minimum. Also, a short shifter wouldn't hurt......
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On youtube there is a video of a stock 2010 GT 3.31gears racing a stock 2012 V6 2.73 gears both are automatics and the GT wins by 1 1/2 to 2 car lengths every time. So a set of 3.73 gears will put you right next to him if not just edge him out. If you do the CAI and tune it will give you the win for sure it drops your 1/4 mile times by a half a second. 3.73 gears installed will cost as much as the CAI and tune about $600. Good luck either option should get you the win. Both options will smoke his ***!!!

Also if you have the money. CAI, tune, larger throttle body, bigger fuel injectors, aluminum drive shaft, long tube headers X pipe cat back will give between 55 to 65 extra HP. Add some suspension upgrades and a good set of tires. With the weigh savings from the exhaust and driveshaft (about 100lbs easy) you should be nipping the bumper of a new stock 5.0.

The 5.0 power to weight is around 8.7lbs per HP with all the mods listed a V6 could have about 9.1lbs per HP you'll never beat the new 5.0 without a procharger but the old 4.6L won't stand a chance. And your cost will still be cheaper than the 4.6L MSRP when new.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:07 PM   #9
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I say it mostly depends on driver though. You could beat him w/ just a tune if you're a better driver then him. Say your equal, then you'd need gears as well. Control arms, headers, tires and driveshaft would help a lot though.
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Theres a guy on youtube with CAI, tune, long tube headers, X pipe and cat back. He showed dyno pulls before and after. He gained 50 horse power just from those mods. His stock horse power was 262whp after all mods he ended up with 315whp. Not bad spend about $3000 and your running low 13's in the quarter. Our little 3.7L have a lot of hidden power!!!

I'm awaiting for the warrantee to end. i will have a 500+ hp 3.7L and nobody will ever suspect it has that much power. Just think of it a V6 with a power to weight ratio better than a 2012 GT500 and awesome gas milage if I can keep my foot out of it that is. I can not wait!!!
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

you have to remember, part of it is the driver. but you should be able to beat him with a CAI and tune. if you toss in gears, then you have it in the bag.
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Gears and a tune make up what little difference there is power wise (and application of power). I would think tires and driver make the difference between otherwise equally powered cars.
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I've raced a few new v6's in my 05 GT. I've got Quite a few bolt on's tho and full exhaust. I'd think you would need a lot more than gears and a tune but they could have been crappy drivers too..
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

You are also geared with 4.10's. That is a huge advantage over a V6 even with the same gear. The 281 3v makes a lot of low end torque in comparison to the 3.7.

Dump all the weight that you can within reason (spare, jack, trunk sub floor etc.) , a good tune, gears (would be the biggest bang for the buck for anything under $1000 performance wise other than a NOS system but I would never run that without a dyno tune and that would def bring you over a grand) and practice hooking up if it is from a dig. IF you are going from like 30 mph roll than tires and hooking up will make little difference. Also you will have an advantage as the lower end torque difference will be minimized. I think if he is bone stock you might even beat him or at least stay within inches of him with just a tune and cai.

I have had both a first generation S197 GT and now the 13 v6 and the one thing this car lacks is the bottom end torque. As you already knowm It pulls hard up above 3,500 it just needs to be able to get to that point quicker. If he has any gear higher than the stock 3.31 that comes in those cars and are going from a dig you are not gonna do it as even with gears... My opinion of course. I walked a bone stock GT Vert a few weeks ago and I was bone stock as well. If he has a Vert and you have a coupe and are both are bone stock I think you will beat him without any mods. We went from a roll of 25mph. I pulled about a car on him from 45 up and he never caught up. We raced up to 100 two times. His auto against my 6 spd manual The verts are close to 3700 pounds. Dont take passengers with you. Every 100 lbs. is a 10th of a second in the 1/4 mile.
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

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On youtube there is a video of a stock 2010 GT 3.31gears racing a stock 2012 V6 2.73 gears both are automatics and the GT wins by 1 1/2 to 2 car lengths every time. So a set of 3.73 gears will put you right next to him if not just edge him out. If you do the CAI and tune it will give you the win for sure it drops your 1/4 mile times by a half a second. 3.73 gears installed will cost as much as the CAI and tune about $600. Good luck either option should get you the win. Both options will smoke his ***!!!

Also if you have the money. CAI, tune, larger throttle body, bigger fuel injectors, aluminum drive shaft, long tube headers X pipe cat back will give between 55 to 65 extra HP. Add some suspension upgrades and a good set of tires. With the weigh savings from the exhaust and driveshaft (about 100lbs easy) you should be nipping the bumper of a new stock 5.0.

The 5.0 power to weight is around 8.7lbs per HP with all the mods listed a V6 could have about 9.1lbs per HP you'll never beat the new 5.0 without a procharger but the old 4.6L won't stand a chance. And your cost will still be cheaper than the 4.6L MSRP when new.
hey hey my 4.6 aint that old..but at least my parts r getting cheaper now that the 5.0 come out..lol
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

true true lol. not to mention all the great deals on used parts on people that are returning back to stock for trade ins.

This is data I just copied from Motor Trend. I put it side by side. To the left is the v6. According to their data the v6 beats the v8 to 100 mph. Also, It is v6 manual vs V8 auto.

That said this doesnt make it real world as we all know a good driver in either car can make a huge difference. Also the tests were done on different days and maybe even different parts of the country so temps, altitude etc. play a big part as well.

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That's an interesting sheet I did not realize they were that close. I guess mod for mod they would be quicker after 60mph.
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

Ya it appears so. I think it probably is due to the higher redline. The 3.7 really pulls hard all the way through past 6 grand where as the 4.6 always felt like it fell on its face after 5,500. I had 430 gears in my 06 and all the bolt ons including a FRPP intake manifold and even then with my torque curve shifted to more top end and the redline raised from the intake, lt's etc. It still didnt pull as hard as the 3.7 does past 5500. Ford did an excelent job with the mid and upper torque on the 3.7.
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I have driven a 2013 v6 and I loved it. I would just miss that torque so much. I haven't driven a new 5.0 yet. I'm afraid I'd be signing papers and driving it home before I even realized what was going on lol.
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I have driven a 2013 v6 and I loved it. I would just miss that torque so much. I haven't driven a new 5.0 yet. I'm afraid I'd be signing papers and driving it home before I even realized what was going on lol.
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I have driven a 2013 v6 and I loved it. I would just miss that torque so much. I haven't driven a new 5.0 yet. I'm afraid I'd be signing papers and driving it home before I even realized what was going on lol.
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So how would you go about getting more bottom end torque?
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

Gears or Boost. Lightening the car will help... It depends on how far you want to go with that one.

Also, Using an aluminum flywheel, Aluminum Driveshaft, Lighter smaller wheels, etc. will help too as the rotational mass will be significantly less and the engine will rev quicker/more freely.

That said, Our Dual mass flywheels in the manuals are prone to problems as well as the driveshaft so by going to a billet aluminum flywheel and a 1 piece driveshaft should be good for around 4/10ths of a second at the track in the 1/4 mile. Thats almost a half a second. Add big and littles and you are going to easily have it. Remove the front sway bar too and you will shave more weight off the front (drag track only / big and littles and removal of front sway bar).

You could also shave some weight off the nose by geting a lightweight radiator support 9I had the Steeda one that gives you the option of running a sway bar). I did this on my last car and without running the front sway bar it took about 30 pounds off the front of the car at its furthest point forward. It got my 60ft down a bit and was good for about a 1/5 of a second.
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+1 on what pwrby4d said. We don't have many options to add a lot power or torque w/o FI. So we gotta put the power we have down and shed some weight while were at it. Waiting to get my 4.10's in and see how much of a difference that'll give me. But they should make a huge difference on the low end seeing as I'll see those higher RPM's quicker where our sixers love to be. Our cars are pretty quick but I get jealous when I see those 5.0 numbers. They see 400 to the wheels soo easily.
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Re: What would it take for a 2012 v6 to beat a 2009 v8 ?

every gear you go up is like a 5% increase in torque. That said hp to the rear wheels goes down because it takes HP to turn the steeper gear. So if you are going from a 2.73 gear to a 4.10 it will be close to a 30% increase in torque from zero. That you will absolutely feel. First, second and third gear will feel like you added 2 cylinders lol.
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^That's what I'm hoping
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4.56 gears lol
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4.56 gears lol
Maybe a lil too much?
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I bet you'd feel some torque tho! Yea that would be way overkill id think lol
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Theres a guy on youtube with CAI, tune, long tube headers, X pipe and cat back. He showed dyno pulls before and after. He gained 50 horse power just from those mods. His stock horse power was 262whp after all mods he ended up with 315whp. Not bad spend about $3000 and your running low 13's in the quarter. Our little 3.7L have a lot of hidden power!!!

I'm awaiting for the warrantee to end. i will have a 500+ hp 3.7L and nobody will ever suspect it has that much power. Just think of it a V6 with a power to weight ratio better than a 2012 GT500 and awesome gas milage if I can keep my foot out of it that is. I can not wait!!!
It sounded like crap though and was a manual. And with the headers he lost 6hp. But either way you look at it it's still pretty high numbers.
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+1 on what pwrby4d said. We don't have many options to add a lot power or torque w/o FI. So we gotta put the power we have down and shed some weight while were at it. Waiting to get my 4.10's in and see how much of a difference that'll give me. But they should make a huge difference on the low end seeing as I'll see those higher RPM's quicker where our sixers love to be. Our cars are pretty quick but I get jealous when I see those 5.0 numbers. They see 400 to the wheels soo easily.
i spent my dshaft money on some used parts (only like -200 bucks now :/ )
but im tryin to decide on 3.73 or 4.10s
can you please tell me what your top speed is, and what your highway cruising rpm is? at around 60, 70, and 80 mph
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i spent my dshaft money on some used parts (only like -200 bucks now :/ )
but im tryin to decide on 3.73 or 4.10s
can you please tell me what your top speed is, and what your highway cruising rpm is? at around 60, 70, and 80 mph
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I'll let you know when I get them on man. Hopefully sometime this week. And the driveshaft isn't needed. How often do you drive over 120? It'll be good to have but I wouldn't give it priority over other things like the strut brace and control arms you got. Think you made the right choice.
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I'll let you know when I get them on man. Hopefully sometime this week. And the driveshaft isn't needed. How often do you drive over 120? It'll be good to have but I wouldn't give it priority over other things like the strut brace and control arms you got. Think you made the right choice.
Don't forget the safety loops. That's just me.
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I'll let you know when I get them on man. Hopefully sometime this week. And the driveshaft isn't needed. How often do you drive over 120? It'll be good to have but I wouldn't give it priority over other things like the strut brace and control arms you got. Think you made the right choice.
The driveshaft isnt just about the mph curse of exploding... It is also about shedding a nice chunk of rotational mass. I did it in my old car and I will tell you that it made the engine rev up a hella lot quicker. I gained 3/10ths of a second in the 1/4 just on that mod alone. That is a huge gain!

Yes also do the safety loop! Play it safe.
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