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Old 08-06-2013, 07:19 PM   #71
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Some of you need to stop spewing misinformation about Shorty headers. There are independent dyno results, 1/4 mile results of before and after. There is even results on this forum from a member who raced someone with the exact same setup, except the other guy had shorty header and 3.73 gears. He had long tubes and 4.10 gears and still lost in 0-100mph, he didn't start to pull ahead till after 100mph.
Now I don't know if the guys saying shortys are no good have long tube headers and are butt hurt because they have those instead of shortys or what. But fact is there are BBK's dyno results, independent dyno results, 1/4 mile results and results from a member on this board and other boards that shorty's are the hot ticket over LTH's.
Fact, shortys showa huge improvement in torque over LTH's and some hp gains in testing.
Fact, the 3.7 mustang needs torque in the low and midrange more then hp.
Fact, shorty's are cheaper then LTH's.
Fact, shorty's sound better then LTH's.
Fact, LTH's are a waste of money as far as power to price ratio goes when compared to shortys.
Sorry if some of you don't like shorty's but results are results, this is why everyone is buying them. Not some new fad as some of you think.
This. Great post. Some people just don't get it. But the sound part is really your own opinion, even though I don't know how anyone could like the sound of LT's over shorties on our 3.7 V6 (sounds like an old farm tractor). The shorties really deepen the tone and make it closer to a V8 sound. Put LT's on and it's raspy as hell and clearly a sixer.
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This. Great post. Some people just don't get it. But the sound part is really your own opinion, even though I don't know how anyone could like the sound of LT's over shorties on our 3.7 V6 (sounds like an old farm tractor). The shorties really deepen the tone and make it closer to a V8 sound. Put LT's on and it's raspy as hell and clearly a sixer.
It will never sound like a v8 unless u dropped a v8 in it. Trust me I swore my 3.7 sounded like a v8 but once I bought my 5.0 its ****s on my 3.7 hahaha
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Okay you were beaten.. that sucks but what mods do you exactly have? Are you manual or auto? What are the mods of the guy you raced?

The only reason I ask all of this is because in all my years of racing I have never seen quality shorties out perform quality long tubes by this much.

Mods have A LOT to do with this, from what i know MPT is making some crazy killer tunes and it really is kicking BAMA's butt.

I do know shorties gain more torque down low over stock manifolds and a little bit more over long tubes but something is amiss here. Something is not right. We have 3.7 guys running in the 12.63-12.9 regularly on the 1/4 mile now and they are all running LUND / MPT Tunes with long tubes and 2.5" header back exhaust.

So just for clarification, I am not bashing shorties or saying long tubes are better, but in my 10+ years of racing experience I have never seen this. I really think it has to do with the tune.
His post was basically saying the same mods. Pro charger, same tires, just the gears and headers. Both catted and bama or mpt. Either way same company.

Not gonna lie, 10 years of racing shows alot of experience, but technology is surpassing alot of set in stone misconceptions. One being a v6 having 305 hp lol my dad's typical hot rod ways are being shattered by the new school muscle technology.

I also don't hear a difference in sound with shorties but I want torque and to keep my 2.73 gears. Where ill be lugging around with LT headers due to me using it as a DD
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It will never sound like a v8 unless u dropped a v8 in it. Trust me I swore my 3.7 sounded like a v8 but once I bought my 5.0 its ****s on my 3.7 hahaha
I didn't say it would sound like a V8, that's obvious a sixxer will never sound like a V8. I said it would sound closer to a V8, as in a deeper-throatier tone.

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I didn't say it would sound like a V8, that's obvious a sixxer will never sound like a V8. I said it would sound closer to a V8, as in a deeper-throatier tone.
Your not too good at reading, are you Charles?
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The shorties are deeper and smoother sounding than the Longtubes... I would say that's a fact.

The bassani long tubes sound damn good with a catted x pipe.
But I do think the shorties just sound overall cleaner. Not like a v8... the exhaust pulse sequence of the v6 makes it impossible to sound like an eight cylinder... but it sounds like a very nice v6.

rMany people tell me the car sounds like some crazy super car.

The power is there. When I datalogged my tune the car was flowing much more air... that's what Steeda told me and they said the changes they are going to have to make are very similar to long tubes.

The car was leaning out like crazy in certain rpm ranges after the header install and electronically limiting throttle... yet it still is faster because of the added low-mid range power.

How are you guys gonna say it doesn't make any more power when there was clearly extra air flow from the shorties? To the point the engine was leaning out that much.

The gains will be there for sure once the a/f ratio is brought back into normal levels and timing is advanced accordingly.

Not to mention they sound amazing.

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I can't see why people say that shorties are a waste of money. They sound good and they flow better than stock. Plus they are much cheaper than long tubes. If you want low end torque- get shorties. If you want higher end power- get longtubes. It's as simple as that.
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Okay you were beaten.. that sucks but what mods do you exactly have? Are you manual or auto? What are the mods of the guy you raced?

The only reason I ask all of this is because in all my years of racing I have never seen quality shorties out perform quality long tubes by this much.

Mods have A LOT to do with this, from what i know MPT is making some crazy killer tunes and it really is kicking BAMA's butt.

I do know shorties gain more torque down low over stock manifolds and a little bit more over long tubes but something is amiss here. Something is not right. We have 3.7 guys running in the 12.63-12.9 regularly on the 1/4 mile now and they are all running LUND / MPT Tunes with long tubes and 2.5" header back exhaust.

So just for clarification, I am not bashing shorties or saying long tubes are better, but in my 10+ years of racing experience I have never seen this. I really think it has to do with the tune.
we are both procharged. same mods except he has shorties and I have longtubes and he has 3.73 and I have 4.10s. I'm not biased cuz I got LTs and love the hell out of them but shorties are no joke.
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I can't see why people say that shorties are a waste of money. They sound good and they flow better than stock. Plus they are much cheaper than long tubes. If you want low end torque- get shorties. If you want higher end power- get longtubes. It's as simple as that.
Yup. Simple as that.
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we are both procharged. same mods except he has shorties and I have longtubes and he has 3.73 and I have 4.10s. I'm not biased cuz I got LTs and love the hell out of them but shorties are no joke.
3.73 are the sweet spot for our cars for 1/4 mile times it seems. What about tunes? Who tuned your vehicles? I could see the shorties doing better as a drop and bolt vs untuned long tubes while boosted. You two should get both your stuff dialed in if you do not already and race. Would be awesome video and documentary to watch.
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3.73 are the sweet spot for our cars for 1/4 mile times it seems. What about tunes? Who tuned your vehicles? I could see the shorties doing better as a drop and bolt vs untuned long tubes while boosted. You two should get both your stuff dialed in if you do not already and race. Would be awesome video and documentary to watch.
they were both Dyno tuned on the same Dyno. we have nearly identical cars regarding performance. and we have raced many times.
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they were both Dyno tuned on the same Dyno. we have nearly identical cars regarding performance. and we have raced many times.
I hope my questions are not driving you crazy I am just intrigued and wamt to learn more.

What tize size are you two running? And specifically what long tube are you running?
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I didn't say it would sound like a V8, that's obvious a sixxer will never sound like a V8. I said it would sound closer to a V8, as in a deeper-throatier tone.

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Your not too good at reading, are you Charles?
Dont matter I still have my two sweet stangs

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I hope my questions are not driving you crazy I am just intrigued and wamt to learn more.

What tize size are you two running? And specifically what long tube are you running?
Dont forget the weight differences. That could be what might have made the difference and traction I know with 410s you would have more traction problems. A buddy had to put extra weight in the back to get traction but then again he does have a fully built drag car that does 7s on the track. He took out the weight once for me cuz I thought it honestly slowed him down alot but sure enough he slid sooooo much more.
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I hope my questions are not driving you crazy I am just intrigued and wamt to learn more.

What tize size are you two running? And specifically what long tube are you running?
255s and BBK ceramic. and it's fine. this whole shorty vs LT headers argument will never end. it's all up to the persons preference in performance.

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Dont forget the weight differences. That could be what might have made the difference and traction I know with 410s you would have more traction problems. A buddy had to put extra weight in the back to get traction but then again he does have a fully built drag car that does 7s on the track. He took out the weight once for me cuz I thought it honestly slowed him down alot but sure enough he slid sooooo much more.
good point. idk I'm good with either header. lol.
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For the vast amount of power the long tubes supposedly give over the shorties you should have won by at least a car and kept pulling after 80.

But you say you didn't so the shorties obviously do something
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For the vast amount of power the long tubes supposedly give over the shorties you should have won by at least a car and kept pulling after 80.

But you say you didn't so the shorties obviously do something
+1. Longtubes give a great amount of torque and decent hp but only on the mid to high end
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+1. Longtubes give a great amount of torque and decent hp but only on the mid to high end
Over stock manifolds good long tubes will still yield gains in the low end. You will see this once you put your bassani exhaust on. Just be sure you are properly tuned.
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What if I got LTH for my 2010 v6 and just got a custom tune for it. Do you think that would eliminate the sluggishness of the LTH?
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Still doesn't answer the question.
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What if I got LTH for my 2010 v6 and just got a custom tune for it. Do you think that would eliminate the sluggishness of the LTH?
So you got a 2010 V6 which is not the 3.7?

Also LT will not make your car sluggish and if you need more bottom end get gears.
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Correct it's a 4.0

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Which gears and how will they effect my gas mpg?
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Correct it's a 4.0

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Which gears and how will they effect my gas mpg?
3.73s seem to be the most popular gear upgrade. Expect to lose a few mpg since you will be driving at higher rpms. Totally worth the tradeoff imo.
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I have bbk short tune headers.. I love the tone my car has now and I do feel power across the whole rpm band.. I like them
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I have bbk short tune headers.. I love the tone my car has now and I do feel power across the whole rpm band.. I like them
+1 on moving the power band flatter !
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I want shortys so bad I would much rather have a faster 0-60 than high horse power

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Man the torque is awesome.. My car really pulls off of the red lights now.. One thing about the short tune headers that I noticed is drastic noise reduction in exhaust noise.. I'm thinking I need an H or X pipe now lol
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Man the torque is awesome.. My car really pulls off of the red lights now.. One thing about the short tune headers that I noticed is drastic noise reduction in exhaust noise.. I'm thinking I need an H or X pipe now lol

Your headers have actually made your car quieter? Is that normal?
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I have the magnaflow competition axle backs. This is the exhaust set up I want...

Bbk or Mac shortly headers, bbk high flow catted mid pipe, and my magnaflows.

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I have the magnaflow competition axle backs. This is the exhaust set up I want...

Bbk or Mac shortly headers, bbk high flow catted mid pipe, and my magnaflows.

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Your headers have actually made your car quieter? Is that normal?

I had the pype bombs on before and they were super load.. Then I got the short tune headers and the noise was reduced but I already had borla stingers en route.. The set up sounded nice.. Bbk intake bbk headers stock mid pipe pype bombs axel backs.. But that setup without the short headers is loud and uncontrolled..

Maybe I'm just used to my loud *** pype bombs lol but don't get me wrong my current set up rocks everyone says it sounds furious.. I want to increase the sound a tad but but still thinking about the route I want to go.. As you heard the video above.. That X pipe is raspy.. Sounds mean tho
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Yea Idk 100% if I want a catted x pipe or catted h pipe
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Man the torque is awesome.. My car really pulls off of the red lights now.. One thing about the short tune headers that I noticed is drastic noise reduction in exhaust noise.. I'm thinking I need an H or X pipe now lol
So you do feel the deference?

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Your headers have actually made your car quieter? Is that normal?
Yeah my bbk shi++ies i mean shorties did the same thing to my Roush.

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