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Old 01-03-2013, 08:16 PM   #1
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Super Noob CAI Question

Ok, so there was bombing down the highway tonight totally enjoying the new sound of the engine due to my newly installed CAI. I was quite obnoxious cruising up to other cars and then HAMMER DOWN! Whomp Whomp Whomp Whomp as I sped by. Phil Collins, "In the air tonight" was on the radio and I found myself doing it over and over just to hear the engine growl. (Imagine American psycho in a mustang!) And you know my poor victims were thinking either one of two things (1) what a donkey! Or (2) omg that's awesome. Right?

Anyway, on to my question/concern. If any of my other cars (past or present) sounded like that at 80mph I would take it in to the shop thinking something's wrong with the engine. The thought crept in that my idea of having fun could be damaging the engine longterm somehow given the deep (rough) sound and slight vibration in the pedals(?).

Can someone put my mind at ease, tell me that its normal and my engine will be fine so I can get back to enjoying my rides home from work?
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All your doing is killing gas NBD
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No! They are all wrong! You are killing your car! Think of the most horrible way for your car to die, now times that by 67. That is what you're doing to your car.

So quit whomp whomping on the hwy and drive right before you kill yourself! I mean your car.
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No! They are all wrong! You are killing your car! Think of the most horrible way for your car to die, now times that by 67. That is what you're doing to your car.

So quit whomp whomping on the hwy and drive right before you kill yourself! I mean your car.
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No! They are all wrong! You are killing your car! Think of the most horrible way for your car to die, now times that by 67. That is what you're doing to your car.

So quit whomp whomping on the hwy and drive right before you kill yourself! I mean your car.
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Well , You aked so we will tell you.

Driving the way you did trying to impress people was really stupid and I'm betting all of those people you Whomp,Whomp,Whomped on wonder to themselves "What a Jerk" They could probably care less about you or your Mustang.

Mustangs as well as other cars are for the owners pleasure. If you like your car you don't need to try to impress other people. Especially not driving stupid and putting your self and others in danger.



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You're not killing your car, but are hurting it... FYI, until you get LT headers and nix the cats, it's all cabin noise. They can't hear you... They probably just thought you were some dumbass seventeen year old with daddies car... Not to be mean, sorry if I seem that way...
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The stock 3.7 air boxes flow great; buying a CAI only gains you the "noise" most like to hear (such as this post is attempting to describe.

I have one (CAI), only because it was a used item (paid 75 bucks for it), and liked how it cleaned up the engine bay area. Other then that, I would not shell out the prices the aftermarket folks are getting for them, as they do not flow any better then the stock units. Even with an exhaust and tuner, the stock air box is more than what you would need for the 3.7 V6.
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I couldn't disagree more with you, Bucko. I don't mean to argue or be rude, but you're absolutely wrong. I felt a big difference with my CAI. And that was before a tune. The stock air box on the 2012 is garbage. Wonder why the engine is louder? It's breathing better, my man. Even the 2013 is trying to fake a CAI box for sales. A box and square filter will never amount to a circular filter sucking that delicious air in all directions.
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I couldn't disagree more with you, Bucko. I don't mean to argue or be rude, but you're absolutely wrong. I felt a big difference with my CAI. And that was before a tune. The stock air box on the 2012 is garbage. Wonder why the engine is louder? It's breathing better, my man. Even the 2013 is trying to fake a CAI box for sales. A box and square filter will never amount to a circular filter sucking that delicious air in all directions.
False!!! The engine is louder with the CIA because the "sound muffler" is not on a CAI. Look at your stock inlet tube; you'll see this square type sound muffler.

I did an experiment on a 3.7 stock air tube about three months ago. I first installed a GT sound tube by drilling a hole in this sound muffler, then plummed a 90% threaded PVC fitting, then connected the GT sound tube to it. This gave me the "sound" in the cabin.
Then, I removed the sound tube, as I felt is cluttered the engine bay. I then used my dremmel tool and cut off the sound muffler from the stock air tube. I fiberglassed the hole it left behind, painted it, and re-installed. So what I had was the stock air cleaner box (which grabs gobs of cool clean air from the front grill area), and the modified tube that connects the filter box to the throttle body. Went for a ride and accellerated just like I would before this mod. The sound under the hood was just like the used CAI I have now.

If you do some additional searching, you'll fine that most CAI's that are sold for the 3.7 V6 are the same diameter (air tube from filter box to throttle body) as the stock unit. This avoids having to re-tune the PCM, as the stock throttle body cannot do anything with an additional air flow anyhow without replacing the throttle body with a larger one (more bucks). Simply put, Ford did their homework with the stock setup. Save your money, unless you are after looks and sound. The sound however is easily obtained by either adding a GT sound tube, or cutting off the sound muffler in your stock intake tube.
But don't take my word for it, search the net. Talk with the dyno guys. They will tell you that the 3.7 V6 stock air box flows more than enough; can't be beat with a CAI unless you go all out with a complete exhaust (including long tube headers), a larger throttle body, and a tuner.
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Not gonna read all that. Sorry... I'm lazy and that was long. But, in rebuttal. Only GT has the sound dampener in the air box tube. If you're right, I guess fifty million Elvis fans are wrong! Lol. You've got to be the smartest person to exist. Millions have bought CAI's in vein!!!!
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It's obvious you have not looked at a stock 3.7 V6 setup I'll guess.

Take a look at the square box on the bottom part of this picture (stock 3.7 V6 tube off of a 2011 below). You'll see the "box/"J" tube I'm refering to. This is a "sound deadner" or sound muffler. It's on the 2011 V6's for sure.




Notice that I referenced the 3.7 V6, and not ALL Elvis driving fans. As I stated, THE 3.7 V6 stock intake flows great; does not require a CAI to grab any additional HP gains by itself. If you buy one for this engine, it will be for looks, perhaps the sound, or because you have lots of money to spend on something that in this case, gains you nothing.

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Okay Bucko. You're the only person on this website to be right about something everyone disagrees with. You're so smart. We all bow to your made up intelligence. Congrats man. I succeed. You win. I'll do some fake research too and soon we will agree on what ever it was you said. Cheers mate.

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I like you though, Bucko. You're obviously an intelligent person by reading your sentence structure. I'd like to apologize for being a dick, even though I always come off that way, and I kind of am... But none the less... No offense. I've enjoyed conversing with no chance of medium.
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Okay Bucko. You're the only person on this website to be right about something everyone disagrees with. You're so smart. We all bow to your made up intelligence. Congrats man. I succeed. You win. I'll do some fake research too and soon we will agree on what ever it was you said. Cheers mate.

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I like you though, Bucko. You're obviously an intelligent person by reading your sentence structure. I'd like to apologize for being a dick, even though I always come off that way, and I kind of am... But none the less... No offense. I've enjoyed conversing with no chance of medium.
Only trying to share some facts. I've spent my money foulishly in the past on items that did me no good. I have a 2004 F150 with the 4.2 V6; with a tuner AND a CAI, it indeed woke up that engine.

No reason for apology. These forums are a great place to share ideas, opinions, and help each other out.

From all that I have read, and the conversations with some of the Mustang club members, it has been addressed that Ford did a great job engineering the 3.7, which includes the air intake.
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Not gonna read all that. Sorry... I'm lazy and that was long. But, in rebuttal. Only GT has the sound dampener in the air box tube. If you're right, I guess fifty million Elvis fans are wrong! Lol. You've got to be the smartest person to exist. Millions have bought CAI's in vein!!!!
If I can chime in, the aftermarket CAI, is more of a cosmetic than functional piece. People are buying it more for the appearance, and some, the belief, that the aftermarket sells, that it adds power. the 2013 stock air box, IS more than enough, for a stock engine. I see so many people willing to spend 350 bucks to gain 5 hp, because thats at most what you might gain. I knocked off almost a full second off my quarter mile time, with just a tune, and nothing else. I'm not sold by the appearance of a plastic tube, with a conical filter at end, and the so called shield from engine heat. I would rather take the stock air box and modify the bottom entry for more air.
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Only trying to share some facts. I've spent my money foulishly in the past on items that did me no good. I have a 2004 F150 with the 4.2 V6; with a tuner, it indeed woke up that engine.

From all that I have read, and the conversations with some of the Mustang club members, it has been addressed that Ford did a great job engineering the 3.7, which includes the air intake.
Couldn't agree more. The 3.7 V6 was a true speech of obamas bail out for American car companies. That were one of a few to spend that money wisely. I live my sixxer.
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If I can chime in, the aftermarket CAI, is more of a cosmetic than functional piece. People are buying it more for the appearance, and some, the belief, that the aftermarket sells, that it adds power. the 2013 stock air box, IS more than enough, for a stock engine. I see so many people willing to spend 350 bucks to gain 5 hp, because thats at most what you might gain. I knocked off almost a full second off my quarter mile time, with just a tune, and nothing else. I'm not sold by the appearance of a plastic tube, with a conical filter at end, and the so called shield from engine heat. I would rather take the stock air box and modify the bottom entry for more air.
You are saying the air box on you '13 is better than a CAI? To each his/her own bro. Do you. Must be wrong about the millions of after market CAIs sold. Guess headers and cat delete don't make higher flow wanting more inlet mean nothing. And I guess that's why mods is so unimportant on every tuners checklist is so minuscule... Guess again... You're right homie. Bottom line is, every mid makes a difference, add it up. Just like pocket change, it means something.
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I'm a huge fan of V6's. I'll show my age here when I tell you my first V6 experience was a brand new 1985 Buick Grand National. God I wish I had that car today!

Since then I've always respected the V6. This 3.7 V6 Ford has impressed the heck out of me. I drive on average 600 to 700 miles a week (my 2011 V6 Mustang already has 37K). I get an honest 23.8 to 23.9 MPG (3:31 rear gear setup) on the highway.

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Okay Bucko. You're the only person on this website to be right about something everyone disagrees with. You're so smart. We all bow to your made up intelligence. Congrats man. I succeed. You win. I'll do some fake research too and soon we will agree on what ever it was you said. Cheers mate.

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I like you though, Bucko. You're obviously an intelligent person by reading your sentence structure. I'd like to apologize for being a dick, even though I always come off that way, and I kind of am... But none the less... No offense. I've enjoyed conversing with no chance of medium.
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Nice Bucko. Like I said, I know I am, not trying to be rude. It's a beautiful, powerful engine. I just do not see things the same. Touché

To each his/her own.
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Cold Air Intake ????

I'm guessing everyone one this Forum already knows that the stock air cleaner gets the air from the port in front of the car behind the grill.

Everyone with a CAI already knows that the air supplied to the filter comes from the same place as the stock box. The square intake tube is even the same size. "YEP" it is !!!

Almost all of the cold air intakes use a very free flowing filter that is about the same material as a K&N. (Different colors) But as everybody knows, The stock paper filter is very thick and has a tremendous amount of surface area. It just does not look or sound as cool as a nice CAI setting under the hood when you open it. It still will provide more air then the engine will ever need.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Cold Air Filters and will probably get one when I get the extra $$$$ because I like the looks and not because I think it will super charge my engine. Until then I will stick with the K&N drop in filter I bought just to say I have one. I just think the K&N filters the air a little better then the paper stock filter because of the oil causes micro particals to stick to the filter and not into the engine.
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You are saying the air box on you '13 is better than a CAI? To each his/her own bro. Do you. Must be wrong about the millions of after market CAIs sold. Guess headers and cat delete don't make higher flow wanting more inlet mean nothing. And I guess that's why mods is so unimportant on every tuners checklist is so minuscule... Guess again... You're right homie. Bottom line is, every mid makes a difference, add it up. Just like pocket change, it means something.
You have good and valid points. However, what is being said (at least in my case) is that a CAI does not do much to the 3.7 V6 that the stock box already does. To gain anything from a CAI install for the 3.7 V6, you'll require a larger throttle body, as the stock throttle body flows only so much air. The stock setup works great with the stock throttle body.

Adding headers (long tube), a complete exhaust system, and a tuner will net you great gains, and HP you indeed will "feel".

Smoky Yunick said it best: speed costs money; more speed costs more money. He had this written on the wall in his garage at his Daytona shop. My dad was a friend of his; I got to meet him many years ago when I was a stupid teenager; now I'm an old senile Mustang owner.
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I came feel that. If this thread means anything, it means that this is up to preference. Like I've said many times in the past, I'd have bought mine for the sound alone.

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You're absolutely right Bucko, the best gain was my tuner, next was my TB. Upgrade that and you'll truly let air in the engine.

However, love you bro, but the CAI let's in more air, granted there are better applications for the money. I'd go TB ANY day over CAI!!! The stock box will handle a CAI and spacer over only a CAI any day. Agree?
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Hi Puma

Very Well Said:

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I came feel that. If this thread means anything, it means that this is up to preference. Like I've said many times in the past, I'd have bought mine for the sound alone.
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What I think Bucko is saying is:

A Cold Air Intake will be needed if you add A larger throttle body, headers, free flowing cat's and exhaust and a good tune. Then you can really feel a difference in the way you V6 will perform. Changing the camshafts would be perfect with the mentioned mod's.

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I guess I better not mention that a dyno service tested the K&N drop in filter for the 5.0 GT (and 3.7 V6). They found it LOST 2 to 3 HP on the dyno....Not sure I believe this one. I have no doogs in that race!

I won't mention the dyno service, but if you google it, you'll find the article.

I'm a huge fan of K&N, as this is what I have on my Harley (2001 Dresser), and 2005 F150. The bike has over 132,000 miles on it, and the truck is at 96K; they have been cleaned and re-oiled more times then I can remember.

K&N sometimes gets a bad rap because folks will over-oil them after cleaning.
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Dude... AM did it and gained 9-11 on the GT. they only did the fan method!! Not even gonna google it bro... AM wouldn't **** me. I trust them.
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Dude... AM did it and gained 9-11 on the GT. they only did the fan method!! Not even gonna google it bro... AM wouldn't **** me. I trust them.
Not talking the cone type K&N filter used with CAI setups. Talking about a stock filter replacement drop in filter.

No big deal. I saw the link on another popular mustang forum. I can neither confirm or deny the statement.

As stated, I own two K&N filters; one on my truck, and one on my bike. Happy with both. Never dyno'd either. Not into that.
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I think lots of people are missing the peak gains vs curve gains aspect of this. Does a cai make your car any faster.... Nope I don't think it will make a damn bit of difference in the new cars. You may gain a little peak gain and a little curve gain but you aren't going to gain more than 5hp and you definitely can't feel 5hp. Exhaust is better for power/money value for sure. I too have an jlt intake for my mach 1. Only reason I went with it was to replace a degrading stock intake. On a new mustang I wouldn't bother. Not unless there was a bigger tube feeding a bigger aftermarket tb.
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This is right from the Ford Motor Company

The ad for the 2011 V6 engine
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The 2011 Mustang V6 comes standard with the all-new 3.7L 4V Ti-VCT V6 engine which achieves an industry-exclusive 305 horsepower and 280 lb.-ft. of torque while delivering EPA-estimated 31 hwy MPG. A Ford Racing Technology-designed cold air induction delivers a cold, dense intake charge to the cylinders, which helps achieve increased horsepower. The engine is mated to a new 6-speed manual or automatic transmission. Also, new for 2011, the Mustang V6 features a dual exhaust system.
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So, do I have the be the ignorant SOB that asks, why is it some come with different tune diameters and require tunes hole some dont. I'm buying a CAI one of these days. For the cleaner look than an all black engine along with a v6 cover. It's going to be a roush brand along with my exhaust.
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Couldn't agree more. The 3.7 V6 was a true speech of obamas bail out for American car companies. That were one of a few to spend that money wisely. I live my sixxer.
Hi Puma, while Ford considered getting some loans so their competition didn't get a jump on them, they decided against it in the end so they would not have to deal with government control. {GM being told to make more volts then they can sell except to the government for example. Mopar being told to sell off to a foreign company}

Government Bailout of Ford GM Chrysler and the Auto Industry

It is also a strong reason I switched from being a GM buyer to Ford when I bought my 2013 V6 Premium Pony Pac. I didn't like how GM handled the "old GM" design issues of the Impala burning out rear tires in only 10K miles. They gave free new rear tie rods to the government COPO cars, and not to the regular citizen owners.

The other reason was hands down, the V6 'Stang is a better all around car than the V6 Camaro, not in only my test drives but numerous mags in 2011 judging the 3 "hussle cars" on the market from the big 3.
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Just business from me from now on. I appreciate the candid feedback but it missed the point. That's what I get for trying to be amusing when it's just not my style.

I also appreciate the experience and knowledge on this forum so I'll try my question again without all the BS.

Since I added the CAI, my engine sounds rough when cruising around 80mph. I also feel a vibration in the pedal that wasn't there before. Is this normal with the CAI or should I be concerned?

Again thanks for the tough love and knowledge sharing.
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