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Old 01-15-2013, 06:54 PM   #1
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URGENT! PLEASE HELP!

Ok so when I was installing my fog lights today I heard a pop noise. No fuse was blown and everything seemed fine. I got home and went to get out of the car... And my nightmare began.... I heard the warning chime that my headlights were on. The key was out and they were on the AUTO setting. I turned them too off but they still stayed on. Park lights,headlights, tail lights, all lights on.

The only way to get them to go off is to pull the 80 amp fuse in the fuse box under the hood that controls the fuse box in the cab area.

PLEASE HELP!

I've checked all fuses and all are good, took switch off and plugged back in- still on.


Suggestions?? And is there an actual headlamp/auto light relay?


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Ok so when I was installing my fog lights today I heard a pop noise. No fuse was blown and everything seemed fine. I got home and went to get out of the car... And my nightmare began.... I heard the warning chime that my headlights were on. The key was out and they were on the AUTO setting. I turned them too off but they still stayed on. Park lights,headlights, tail lights, all lights on.

The only way to get them to go off is to pull the 80 amp fuse in the fuse box under the hood that controls the fuse box in the cab area.

PLEASE HELP!

I've checked all fuses and all are good, took switch off and plugged back in- still on.

Suggestions?? And is there an actual headlamp/auto light relay?

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Were these regular or HIDs ? Or did you add fog lamps to the vehicle?
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Was installing factory fogs. It requires splicing into both fog wires on the light switch. I removed the whole fog setup until I figure out the headlights.

Headlights are stock.
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Sounds like a relay is fused together. Should be in fuse box they are much larger and cube shaped. Most of time they use several of same size and style, check and see if you have one and swap. Make sure it's for something that's not going to affect your car starting ie (hazard lights)
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Sounds like a relay is fused together. Should be in fuse box they are much larger and cube shaped. Most of time they use several of same size and style, check and see if you have one and swap. Make sure it's for something that's not going to affect your car starting ie (hazard lights)


This way My thinking - I know what a relay is lol- where is the one that controls auto lights ?

Just did not know where the one controlling lights is.
I'll probably just try plucking and swapping tomorrow.

I hope it's not the SJB... :/

Surely not...
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This should help..

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Man, I couldn't sleep knowing something was jacked up on my car. Good luck tomorrow bro.
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It could.be.your drl relay or drl module
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I can't sleep... Or function... This thing is like my 3rd child. And my Daily.

Where is the DRL module?

I've went over the wiring multiple times.... I'm positive something is stuck closed .... Probably welded that way when I shorted it out by connecting wires backwards.

Idk how it would back feed through the fog light wires though.... Grr

---------- Post added at 09:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:44 PM ----------

It is EVERY light... Radio illum, steering illum, interior, tails, side markers... Everything
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I can only scroll so far on those diagrams... Can't see the part that covers lights...
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I can't sleep... Or function... This thing is like my 3rd child. And my Daily.

Where is the DRL module?

I've went over the wiring multiple times.... I'm positive something is stuck closed .... Probably welded that way when I shorted it out by connecting wires backwards.

Idk how it would back feed through the fog light wires though.... Grr

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It is EVERY light... Radio illum, steering illum, interior, tails, side markers... Everything
A relay would close weld itself if it got hot enough. That's weird about the radio though. And your drl module is (facing your car) on the driver side right by your fog lights unplug it and see if everything shuts off. If this doesn't work. Go one by one through all relays unplugging until u find the problem
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A relay would close weld itself if it got hot enough. That's weird about the radio though. And your drl module is (facing your car) on the driver side right by your fog lights unplug it and see if everything shuts off. If this doesn't work. Go one by one through all relays unplugging until u find the problem


I'll try that tomorrow.

I know when I unplug the 80amp power fuse to the SJB it cuts power to the lights. Is there something in the SJB that controls ALL lights?

And the drl module- is it below the headlight?
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I'll try that tomorrow.

I know when I unplug the 80amp power fuse to the SJB it cuts power to the lights. Is there something in the SJB that controls ALL lights?

And the drl module- is it below the headlight?

I forgot about that.. That might be your problem. Yea the sjb controls all lights and accessories . It might be just that because i forgot not all American mustangs don't carry drl modules . I live in Canada so mine does. Anyhow its right under the lights
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I don't think I have the module.... Is there a relay in the SJB that controls lights?
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I don't think I have the module.... Is there a relay in the SJB that controls lights?
Yea its part of the computer program.
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Just look through the owners manual at all your relays and fuses. Start swapping relays of the same with with anything that has to do with the headlights/lighting. If that doesn't affect anything, it's possible you fried the harness somewhere and it's got a short (pop sound). That requires slowly pulling fuses and going through circuits until you find where the short is localized to. It could even be in the switch itself.

What were you touching specifically when you were installing the fog lights and heard the pop? I'd start looking into that wiring circuit before anything else. The diagram posted should help.
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Just look through the owners manual at all your relays and fuses. Start swapping relays of the same with with anything that has to do with the headlights/lighting. If that doesn't affect anything, it's possible you fried the harness somewhere and it's got a short (pop sound). That requires slowly pulling fuses and going through circuits until you find where the short is localized to. It could even be in the switch itself.

What were you touching specifically when you were installing the fog lights and heard the pop? I'd start looking into that wiring circuit before anything else. The diagram posted should help.
That is a possibility .. Use a volt tester at the relay and then at the wires. If voltage is different then there's the problem
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I connected the fog light switch wire (gray/violet)
The fog light indicator to a relay- one of them received 12 volts when it shouldn't and made a pop sound (short)

The short was a one time thing.

I'm currently thinking something in the SJB is wrong... Idk how easy it is to diagnose or fix. There is only fuses and two relays that are in related on the SJB.

So something is wrong internally.
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I connected the fog light switch wire (gray/violet)
The fog light indicator to a relay- one of them received 12 volts when it shouldn't and made a pop sound (short)

The short was a one time thing.

I'm currently thinking something in the SJB is wrong... Idk how easy it is to diagnose or fix. There is only fuses and two relays that are in related on the SJB.

So something is wrong internally.
Not cheap to diagnose
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Yes I'm starting to think ill need a new SJB.... My old lady works at a stealer ship so hopefully won't be too bad... ://

Just sux... Wish it was fixable
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BTW, this is why you disconnect the battery when playing with wiring.

This one guy (who can only be described as an idiot), cut the factory plug out of an '03 Mustang and was trying to hard wire a Kenwood up. After popping like 4 fuses and accomplishing nothing, I got an adapter harness to see what all the wires ran to, matched them all up by color, and had him turn it on. 15mins of my time and it worked on the first go.
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Neg terminal was off.... Popped cuz I had wires reversed ...

Surely there is some way to service this thing.... Grr...

I may be taking it apart tomorrow
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Ok with a little light and some nice diagrams provided by you guys I solved this...

I also found a diagram for the SJB and broke that down... All good.

Decided to bypass switch and manually provide the feeds and voila... Headlights go off when ground is applied to the "off" position. Proceed to break switch down... What do ya know! The strip on the circuit board between the "off" pin and the ground pin is burnt....

So either spend 19.79$ on a new switch or fix this one... Prob do both.... But this looks challenging- VERY small space to solder and all around 12v/ground pins lol.


Thanks for all the input!!! Just glad I don't have to swap the SJB!


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Ok with a little light and some nice diagrams provided by you guys I solved this...

I also found a diagram for the SJB and broke that down... All good.

Decided to bypass switch and manually provide the feeds and voila... Headlights go off when ground is applied to the "off" position. Proceed to break switch down... What do ya know! The strip on the circuit board between the "off" pin and the ground pin is burnt....

So either spend 19.79$ on a new switch or fix this one... Prob do both.... But this looks challenging- VERY small space to solder and all around 12v/ground pins lol.

Thanks for all the input!!! Just glad I don't have to swap the SJB!

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*Pats self on back for saying, "It could even be in the switch itself."*
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SWITCH- burnt spot is between lower left posts. (Ground pin, and "off" pin)



Front fog view



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I'm going to just make a "my Stang" thread

Didn't take many pics- sorry had to head to work.
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are you running HIDs with the blacked out lights? i had mine blacked out with covers from A.M. and needed better lights cause it was too dim
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SWITCH- burnt spot is between lower left posts. (Ground pin, and "off" pin)

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---------- Post added at 04:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:26 PM ----------

I'm going to just make a "my Stang" thread

Didn't take many pics- sorry had to head to work.
Nice!! I love when things come together. And post a pic of your car in your Avatar, so we can see it.
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Nice!! I love when things come together. And post a pic of your car in your Avatar, so we can see it.
Yeah let's see that beautiful grabber paint!
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Posted new avatar and ill make a big pic ...




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Man, that is some dark tint! Nice. I wish I could get away with it here.
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5% all over and 2 layers on back....
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