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Old 01-22-2013, 06:52 AM   #1
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i was wondering if we can turbo the v6
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Hmmm not sure about turbo but you can supercharge it. There are many different company's that make it for the v6 I'm sure
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Here ya go. You can turbo anything, if you have the parts and patience. http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/
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You can turbo whatever you want. However, I recommend supercharger. It's much better for the life of your engine. Turbos pump really hot air and way more psi. A supercharger will make your V6 the king of the road and only pump about 8psi, making it a lot easier on your engine. Plus, a dual piston supercharger creates no heat at all, so it doesn't even need an intercooler.
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You can turbo whatever you want. However, I recommend supercharger. It's much better for the life of your engine. Turbos pump really hot air and way more psi. A supercharger will make your V6 the king of the road and only pump about 8psi, making it a lot easier on your engine. Plus, a dual piston supercharger creates no heat at all, so it doesn't even need an intercooler.
I have to disagree with this. Turbo is much more efficient at the same power level. A turbo uses wasted energy to create more power whereas a supercharger takes power directly from the motor.
A good turbo system will cost you more money but you have greater flexibility in power levels.

What is this dual piston sc you speak of?
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I have to disagree with this. Turbo is much more efficient at the same power level. A turbo uses wasted energy to create more power whereas a supercharger takes power directly from the motor.
A good turbo system will cost you more money but you have greater flexibility in power levels.

What is this dual piston sc you speak of?
Yep. What he said.

Turbos make as much boost as you want, its why they have boost controllers to monitor it. It's generally cooler air than a roots or whipple supercharger because you can use a full size air to air intercooler. The other ones have to use a smaller water to air intercooler with their own water system.
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Just YouTube 'what is forced induction'. More psi means more wear on your engine. I agree superchargers rob power because they run off of the vehicles pulley, but I would personally rather have less psi and know my engine will last longer.

A dual screw supercharger is just one of two style superchargers. It's not a brand, it's a design. Just YouTube it an there is a cool 8 minute or so video on benefits and downfalls of all forced induction options.

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Yep. What he said.

Turbos make as much boost as you want, its why they have boost controllers to monitor it. It's generally cooler air than a

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Yep. What he said.

Turbos make as much boost as you want, its why they have boost controllers to monitor it. It's generally cooler air than a roots or whipple supercharger because you can use a full size air to air intercooler. The other ones have to use a smaller water to air intercooler with their own water system.
no, turbos always make hotter air. Even running dual inter coolers is still hotter than ambient air. Like I said, a dual screw supercharger creates no heat what so ever, thus not needing an inter cooler, however, an added inter cooler would make induction that much colder.

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I have to disagree with this. Turbo is much more efficient at the same power level. A turbo uses wasted energy to create more power whereas a supercharger takes power directly from the motor.
A good turbo system will cost you more money but you have greater flexibility in power levels.

What is this dual piston sc you speak of?
And sorry, I meant dual screw.
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But the supercharger takes energy directly from the belt system of the engine. Meaning there's that wear in the engine plus the psi.. With the turbo it's just the psi.
This is a pointless discussion because that facts are the turbo is far more efficient.. YouTube is like Wiki.. Anyone can post anything there.
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I thought suerchargers are harder on your engine because its using engine pulleys to be powered which robs you of hp and lowers engine life. But i know the turbo runs hotter because of exhuast air and if you arent careful and dont know what you are doing you can seriously mess up your engine with a turbo because you can boost it as much as you want. Thats what i think i know, or beleive to be correct from everything ive learned. But i would much rather go with a supercharger. I plan to procharge my car soon.
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I know that turbos are more efficient. But saying a single pulley being used to power two screws that have no friction is like saying that your a/c is going to ruin your engine. All your pulleys

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I know that turbos are more efficient. But saying a single pulley being used to power two screws that have no friction is like saying that your a/c is going to ruin your engine. All your pulleys
I know that turbos are more efficient. But saying a single pulley being used to power two screws that have no friction is like saying that your a/c is going to ruin your engine. All your pulleys run off of your main pulley. So no, sorry, adding a frictionless pulley to the mix is not worse at all by any means. Heat is the main enemy when it comes to power, and ten out of ten times, a turbo creates an incredible amount of heat, this is why an inter cooler is a necessity when it comes to turbo forced induction. And yes, YouTube is not always purely factual, but it's not all lies and there is truth out there.
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But it is additional engine use.
Its like smoking one ciggarette wont kill you right than and there but overtime it slowely put more wear and is more work.
Please correct me if i am wrong though.
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I know that turbos are more efficient. But saying a single pulley being used to power two screws that have no friction is like saying that your a/c is going to ruin your engine. All your pulleys

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I know that turbos are more efficient. But saying a single pulley being used to power two screws that have no friction is like saying that your a/c is going to ruin your engine. All your pulleys run off of your main pulley. So no, sorry, adding a frictionless pulley to the mix is not worse at all by any means. Heat is the main enemy when it comes to power, and ten out of ten times, a turbo creates an incredible amount of heat, this is why an inter cooler is a necessity when it comes to turbo forced induction. And yes, YouTube is not always purely factual, but it's not all lies and there is truth out there.
I have a roots blown car. The amount of heat it produces robs me of 40-45 hp in no time. I run an ice box and go through 10lb of ice for each run down the track.
I also eat at least one belt a year due to the friction from my sc pulley at 18000+ rpm's.

Some people are scared of turbos like they are of nitrous. A proper boost controller and waste gate prevents any overboost situations.

Fact is a turbo will make more power at the exact same psi as a supercharger.
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You're right in what you're saying, but it's such a small addition of wear on your engine than a turbo. Like I said, even a dual inter cooling system is still blowing hot air in the engine, just not as hot as one. Also, the psi on a turbo can be set to be ridiculously high, like 20-30+ psi. A supercharger cannot do this. Meaning, you get more horsepower out of a turbo, and it doesn't use the engine to power itself, but causes more damage with heat and boost than a supercharger ever could utilizing a pulley, with relatively no extra work for the engine. Granted its a little, it more than makes up for the extra main pulley it utilizes.

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I have a roots blown car. The amount of heat it produces robs me of 40-45 hp in no time. I run an ice box and go through 10lb of ice for each run down the track.
I also eat at least one belt a year due to the friction from my sc pulley at 18000+ rpm's.

Some people are scared of turbos like they are of nitrous. A proper boost controller and waste gate prevents any overboost situations.

Fact is a turbo will make more power at the exact same psi as a supercharger.
I agree a turbo will do this. A turbo means more boost, but more boost means more engine wear. I'd rather replace a belt than gaskets and seals.
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You're right in what you're saying, but it's such a small addition of wear on your engine than a turbo. Like I said, even a dual inter cooling system is still blowing hot air in the engine, just not as hot as one. Also, the psi on a turbo can be set to be ridiculously high, like 20-30+ psi. A supercharger cannot do this. Meaning, you get more horsepower out of a turbo, and it doesn't use the engine to power itself, but causes more damage with heat and boost than a supercharger ever could utilizing a pulley, with relatively no extra work for the engine. Granted its a little, it more than makes up for the extra main pulley it utilizes.

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I agree a turbo will do this. A turbo means more boost, but more boost means more engine wear. I'd rather replace a belt than gaskets and seals.
I don't think you understand what i'm saying.

A supercharger at 6psi will make less power than a turbo at 6psi. No extra strain on the motor.
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I haven't heard that.

Anyway, I've given my opinion to the thread owner. Hope everything works out for you. Had fun chatting with you guys. Cheers.
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To the op, any form of fi comes with increased risk of engine damage. There is no such thing as a safe power adder.
Weigh your goals for the car against your options and budget and do your research.
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to answer the OP's question, and what you have probably figured out by now, you can supercharge or turbo your V6. There is the hellion turbo system available and there are others in the works (rumors say CFM is working on one). there are also a few supercharger kit's already available. for whatever reason allot of mustang owners prefer superchargers and thats why you see them come out first. Maybe it's because the gt500 and cobra jet has always been supercharged or maybe people feel that turbo is for tuners and superchargers are for american muscle cars... who knows.
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Check out the latest "5.0 Mustangs and fast Fords" magazine. There's an aftermarket vendor (hellion) article that installs a turbo on the 3.7 V6.

Kit starts at about $3900.00

For me, I'll just go the route of the GT when I want more HP over my current V6. Waiting on the 2015's....
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At this point there is only one supercharger kit on the market - the Procharger. If you have an automatic or a 2013 though you can't get a complete kit.

Hellion has the only turbo kit right now. I don't like the placement of their turbo though or the fact it requires a scavenger pump.

CFM is still working on their kit. No ETA as of yet but pictures look like a better set up.

The engine doesn't know how it is being boosted. Wear is about the same.

Turbo though will produce more RWHP and torque at the same level of boost.

There is no roots or twin screw for the 3.7. It is going to be tough to fit one, especially with an intercooler. Pull your intake manifold and take a look. The valley is very narrow and the injectors stand up tight too.
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*sigh* Don't listen to Puma. He has no idea what he's talking about. Like low, I have a roots blower (m90) on my Grand Prix. It made 6lbs of boost stock. I modified a lot of things and dropped pullies. Im making 12lbs of boost atm. I can't add more boost without an intercooler, because the air is so hot from the supercharger. Compressing air makes heat, any of them heat the air. Nature of the beast.

Turbos can achieve high psi output, but it doesn't mean you can use that much. A car that can handle 8psi can only handle 8psi. There are things that can be done to allow more but there you go.

Superchargers take power to make power.
Turbos are free power as a byproduct of exhaust.

Listen to the people that have them or have played with them. I've had my Grand Prix blown for about 6+ years. I have another blown Grand Prix sitting at the house too. I love six cylinder boosted cars.
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*sigh* Don't listen to Puma. He has no idea what he's talking about. Like low, I have a roots blower (m90) on my Grand Prix. It made 6lbs of boost stock. I modified a lot of things and dropped pullies. Im making 12lbs of boost atm. I can't add more boost without an intercooler, because the air is so hot from the supercharger. Compressing air makes heat, any of them heat the air. Nature of the beast.

Turbos can achieve high psi output, but it doesn't mean you can use that much. A car that can handle 8psi can only handle 8psi. There are things that can be done to allow more but there you go.

Superchargers take power to make power.
Turbos are free power as a byproduct of exhaust.

Listen to the people that have them or have played with them. I've had my Grand Prix blown for about 6+ years. I have another blown Grand Prix sitting at the house too. I love six cylinder boosted cars.
I am just saying what ive been taught. And if i am wrong someone please tel me. But sanguin is right listen to people that have done it to their cars.... Lol
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thank you everyone that reply still thinking about about but i dont even know where to start for Performance as mt first mod.

a one thing what is this ghost cam i a lot of people having them on there v6?? just wondering
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thank you everyone that reply still thinking about about but i dont even know where to start for Performance as mt first mod.

a one thing what is this ghost cam i a lot of people having them on there v6?? just wondering
Ghost cam was only available on the 5.0 to my knowledge.

If you are just starting out spend the next few months reading and researching before purchasing anything. You don't want to buy mods that won't work with your goals for the car.
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Ghost cam was only available on the 5.0 to my knowledge.

If you are just starting out spend the next few months reading and researching before purchasing anything. You don't want to buy mods that won't work with your goals for the car.
Good advice. Set a goal and stick with it. You should dig deep into old threads here, there is a wealth of great info on this forum. I'm confident that if you do some reading and digging in the old threads your path to performance will become clear.

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Ghost cam was only available on the 5.0 to my knowledge.
There are some for the 3.7. I think Lund does it and maybe Bama now. There is a vid on youtube for anyone who feels like searching.
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There are some for the 3.7. I think Lund does it and maybe Bama now. There is a vid on youtube for anyone who feels like searching.
Mpt does one
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thank you everyone i think the first mod im going to do is the drive shaft then gears
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Really? Ds as first mod?
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let him do what he wants its his car...
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what you recommend??
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what you recommend??
Don't worry about it. If you're really going balls to the walls performance, it's a good starting place.

-Free ponies since it frees up drivetrain loss.
-Mod most people recommend it before going very far power wise.
-No tune or anything else required to get full benefit.
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I think it's a good idea, your going to need one later anyways and once you start adding HP mods your going to be hooked. Then the day will come when you reslize Taft you NEED a new drive shaft and you will kick yourself because you really wanted to spend that $ on some other mod.... Drive shaft first will make you happy down the road, think long term not short
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i have an questions about the gears

can i just get 3.73 gears or is there more to it??
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Ok, I have an automatic V6 2012, can I put a supercharger or turbo, or is that only for standard vehicles. Please excuse my ignorance I don't know anything about cars. I am 35 yrs old and this is my first Mustang or sports car for that matter.
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can i just get 3.73 gears or is there more to it??
Just an install kit, the actual install & Im guessing a speedo adjustment.
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