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Old 03-23-2013, 08:02 PM   #1
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Supercharger question for 11 plus sixers

If I were looking to purchase a procharger supercharger for my 11 sixer and only wanted to keep the HP to the wheels under 500 what exact forged interval parts would one need. What engine parts would someone have to buy in order for the 3.7 engine to handle around 450 HP too wheels and have that engine last 150 to 200k miles. Clearly the Gt500 engine was designed specifically by Ford to handle the supercharger and its HP.

I would assume that since Ford did not give our 3.7's a supercharger then the engine was not designed to last as long with a supercharger on it. So , what engine forged intervals would one need for the 3.7 to handle the supercharger with no added stress to shorten its life.
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If I were looking to purchase a procharger supercharger for my 11 sixer and only wanted to keep the HP to the wheels under 500 what exact forged interval parts would one need. What engine parts would someone have to buy in order for the 3.7 engine to handle around 450 HP too wheels and have that engine last 150 to 200k miles. Clearly the Gt500 engine was designed specifically by Ford to handle the supercharger and its HP.

I would assume that since Ford did not give our 3.7's a supercharger then the engine was not designed to last as long with a supercharger on it. So , what engine forged intervals would one need for the 3.7 to handle the supercharger with no added stress to shorten its life.
Good questions I am waiting fir the answers too !!!!!!
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Good questions I am waiting fir the answers too !!!!!!
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Man, where is everybody. Lol
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Haha. That makes 2 of us bro! I have no choice but to be up!!
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I haven't heard of a failure on a tivct 6 with a standard pro charger kit yet. If you were serious and wanted to over build the project, you would want a fully forged rotating assembly, an arp head stud kit, and rebuilt heads with better valve seals and stronger springs. Increasing oil pan volume wouldn't hurt either. After that I would think you would have a healthy, long term engine. But i would wager that the stock engine would go a long ways as it is too.
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No one knows how well the engine handles boost over time yet. How are we supposed to know what is needed to make a boosted engine last 150k-200k miles, when I bet no one has even hit that mileage with these motors N/A yet?

All we do know is: CFM's motor is stock and taking a beating. Solobusa's engine supposedly made over 550whp with him beating it during autoxing before it slung a rod (his engine has never been seen, no dyno sheets either, so take it fwiw). I've also heard of one other guy with a boosted 3.7 that messed his up. Unfortunately, I do not know the details there or who.
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I haven't heard of a failure on a tivct 6 with a standard pro charger kit yet. If you were serious and wanted to over build the project, you would want a fully forged rotating assembly, an arp head stud kit, and rebuilt heads with better valve seals and stronger springs. Increasing oil pan volume wouldn't hurt either. After that I would think you would have a healthy, long term engine. But i would wager that the stock engine would go a long ways as it is too.
Thank you for your information. I have no idea on the cost factor to upgrading the engine to handle the supercharger. Perhaps an aftermarket supercharged car may never last till that kind of milage I was speaking of. So I take it the current 3.7 engine can take some level of boost that would not be harmful to the engine and its parts. Would 8 lbs of boost be a safe level to set it at having the factory motor with no forged intervals done to the engine?
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Thank you for your information. I have no idea on the cost factor to upgrading the engine to handle the supercharger. Perhaps an aftermarket supercharged car may never last till that kind of milage I was speaking of. So I take it the current 3.7 engine can take some level of boost that would not be harmful to the engine and its parts. Would 8 lbs of boost be a safe level to set it at having the factory motor with no forged intervals done to the engine?
I would say 6 lbs with a good tune should be safe. That should get you close to 400rwhp.
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If I were looking to purchase a procharger supercharger for my 11 sixer and only wanted to keep the HP to the wheels under 500 what exact forged interval parts would one need. What engine parts would someone have to buy in order for the 3.7 engine to handle around 450 HP too wheels and have that engine last 150 to 200k miles. Clearly the Gt500 engine was designed specifically by Ford to handle the supercharger and its HP.

I would assume that since Ford did not give our 3.7's a supercharger then the engine was not designed to last as long with a supercharger on it. So , what engine forged intervals would one need for the 3.7 to handle the supercharger with no added stress to shorten its life.
Call Procharger they could give you a better answer than just about anyone. They have built and tested their system for our 3.7L
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Here is what you need for internals.

http://www.modularmotorsportsracing....ile_detect.htm
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Here is what you need for internals.

http://www.modularmotorsportsracing....ile_detect.htm
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6 pounds will not get you 400, it will get you about 350. I'm running 8.5 and making about 400 flat. For parts we have a forged crank and that's about it. So basically just get forged everything and you are set. MMR sells the full kit but you won't get away with just the rebuild for less than 5k and thats if you do it yourself. So your looking at about 12000 all said and done if you do the work
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6 pounds will not get you 400, it will get you about 350. I'm running 8.5 and making about 400 flat. For parts we have a forged crank and that's about it. So basically just get forged everything and you are set. MMR sells the full kit but you won't get away with just the rebuild for less than 5k and thats if you do it yourself. So your looking at about 12000 all said and done if you do the work
i thought our stock engine could handle the procharger?
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It can up to 12 psi but that's pushing it and you won't make that with the stock one put of the box. The one in the box is about 6 psi which is a 4.11 or something. I have the 4. Next one down is a 3.85 making 10-11psi then Idk how small the next one is but it will make about 12.5 but 12psi is on the edge with a stock motor. The 3.85 is the smallest I will go until I build my motor

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All those numbers are pulley sizes
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if I had cai gears 93 hybrid tune headers x pipe acleback exhaust.and I wanted to add a SC. how much psi would I need to get 440 rwhp?
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if I had cai gears 93 hybrid tune headers x pipe acleback exhaust.and I wanted to add a SC. how much psi would I need to get 440 rwhp?
I would think 8 psi would more than do the trick. I think with no mods and just supercharger alone on 8 psi you get 420 rwhp.
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8 psi safe on the 3.7. ill have this car at least for another 100k miles?
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8 psi safe on the 3.7. ill have this car at least for another 100k miles?
Did you do internal work on the engine or just left it stock with no forged intervals
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haven't done anything yet bro. lol. jus tryna make a plan n get an idea
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haven't done anything yet bro. lol. jus tryna make a plan n get an idea
Got ya. You plan on getting forged intervals?
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You see I'm going to long tube header catted x pipe cai tune Throttlebody driveshaft then proCharger and I would want push 6psi
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if I had cai gears 93 hybrid tune headers x pipe acleback exhaust.and I wanted to add a SC. how much psi would I need to get 440 rwhp?
I believe there's no need for the CAI with F/I btw!
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if I had cai gears 93 hybrid tune headers x pipe acleback exhaust.and I wanted to add a SC. how much psi would I need to get 440 rwhp?
I'm running 8.5psi and I have headers, x pipe, gears, custom exhaust to pypes, and a driveshaft and making just over 400. You will need at least 10-11 to get that

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You can't use a aftermarket cold air intake with a Procharger. It comes with completely different piping the only thing you can reuse is the filter.
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I'm running 8.5psi and I have headers, x pipe, gears, custom exhaust to pypes, and a driveshaft and making just over 400. You will need at least 10-11 to get that

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You can't use a aftermarket cold air intake with a Procharger. It comes with completely different piping the only thing you can reuse is the filter.
I know but I'm doing procharger like December I'm doing the other stuff this month and nexts month
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6 pounds will not get you 400, it will get you about 350. I'm running 8.5 and making about 400 flat. For parts we have a forged crank and that's about it. So basically just get forged everything and you are set. MMR sells the full kit but you won't get away with just the rebuild for less than 5k and thats if you do it yourself. So your looking at about 12000 all said and done if you do the work
Procharger gains 50 to 60 percent. Even at 50 percent which would be about 6psi on the Procharger system it will net way more than 350 to the wheel. Most HP lose on a dyno is about 15 percent. So to have 350 to the tire would only put the crank power about 410. That is not worth $5200 to only have GT power. Procharger says 475 at the crank that's about 400 to the tire. If you are getting about 400 flat at 8psi i would go to a different tuner shop.
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i thought our stock engine could handle the procharger?
The Procharger system we can buy threw AM is designed for the stock 3.7L so yes stock it can handle a procharger up to 8psi. After that i do not know.
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But that's Procharger word against yours. The guy who tuned mine worked for Procharger, and it had the Procharger can tune and peaked at like 365ish. Then I got a smaller pulley and got it tuned again and I'm hitting 8.5 psi and about 420. Granted that's with a safe tune because it threw some knock at about 3k in 4th so I've been data logging and I'm going to put some higher octane gas to see if its false. Even having all this said I'm still eating up 5.0s and all kinds of v8s. I have a good shop behind me so I'm not worried about it

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Our motor can handle up to 12 but I wouldn't run 12 on a daily basis. It is safer to run 8-10psi tops if its a daily
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Go to AM the system states 475 crank which equates to about 400 to tires... It's not my words those are Prochargers. That number is on a complete stock 3.7L with no mods. If the system does not do that then that is false advertisement!!!
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That's with the 3.85 pulley which is what I have with 8psi. Its not false advertisement that just don't specify which one it is. Procharger is the best and the do increase power considering our cars realistically put down 280 down stock 375 is a 50% increase because that's what you would put down completely stock with a Procharger. With stock manifolds and stuff it would be difficult to push the air out but if you did just exhaust you would see 400 and less tax on the engine.
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That's with the 3.85 pulley which is what I have with 8psi. Its not false advertisement that just don't specify which one it is. Procharger is the best and the do increase power considering our cars realistically put down 280 down stock 375 is a 50% increase because that's what you would put down completely stock with a Procharger. With stock manifolds and stuff it would be difficult to push the air out but if you did just exhaust you would see 400 and less tax on the engine.
Stock dyno on our car you say is 280whp 50% more of that is 420whp... Our actual dyno number on our car stock is about 260whp. 50% more equals 390whp. Your numbers do not add up. To have 375whp on 280whp is only 34% increase. To figure it out you take the HP number and multiply it by 1.5
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Stock dyno on our car you say is 280whp 50% more of that is 420whp... Our actual dyno number on our car stock is about 260whp. 50% more equals 390whp. Your numbers do not add up. To have 375whp on 280whp is only 34% increase. To figure it out you take the HP number and multiply it by 1.5
I'm averaging I'm not sitting here with a calculator. I'm doing based off of what numbers I did with my car. I'm just stating what my car did, when I said stock I was incorrect I had 280 with an intake and tune. So I put it on with full exhaust and gears like I said before and put down 415ish. So mine is real life experiences on my car, just saying what happened to me.
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But that's Procharger word against yours. The guy who tuned mine worked for Procharger, and it had the Procharger can tune and peaked at like 365ish. Then I got a smaller pulley and got it tuned again and I'm hitting 8.5 psi and about 420. Granted that's with a safe tune because it threw some knock at about 3k in 4th so I've been data logging and I'm going to put some higher octane gas to see if its false. Even having all this said I'm still eating up 5.0s and all kinds of v8s. I have a good shop behind me so I'm not worried about it

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Our motor can handle up to 12 but I wouldn't run 12 on a daily basis. It is safer to run 8-10psi tops if its a daily
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I'm at Hennessey but its a different tuner
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