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Old 04-02-2013, 07:06 PM   #36
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Total sales pitch lol
Whatever, I'm happy with it.... And you are the one that said you wanted one
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O.k....but the tb has its limit to how much air it can take in, so unless I go with a larger tb full exhaust to breath more air it doesn't really matter how much larger the tube is? Idk. Smoother air flow from the filter to the tube is good but I'm sure its not that significant in noticable gains.

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Is there anything else? I'm just trying to justify the extra $. For me its between airaid or steeda.
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O.k....but the tb has its limit to how much air it can take in, so unless I go with a larger tb full exhaust to breath more air it doesn't really matter how much larger the tube is? Idk. Smoother air flow from the filter to the tube is good but I'm sure its not that significant in noticable gains.
I have O/R h pipe and pypes too and I can tell you it breathes way better after the intake. TB is really only needed if you go FI.
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Whatever, I'm happy with it.... And you are the one that said you wanted one
I wanted one cuz its the only one that has a larger tube. Nothing else. Idk if the gains would justify the cost
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If you have a tuner already or are planning on getting one, I would opt for the steeda, but that's my personal opinion. It's your car and your money. In the long run it will help supporting mods more than a non tuner Cai.
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From what I've read Ford had done a hell of a job on the stock one and if increasing the dia a little with the stock tb to be able to advertise 310 HP instead of 305 the would have done it. No? Imo
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It may be minut additional gains, but they will add up.
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Everyone is providing excellent info. Thx.
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From what I've read Ford had done a hell of a job on the stock one and if increasing the dia a little with the stock tb to be able to advertise 310 HP instead of 305 the would have done it. No? Imo
That's why a non tuner needed Cai is... How do I say this. Basically if you take the box off of your stock pipe and add a cone filter you have a Cai. The steeda increases the airflow with a larger pipe.
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Yeah I'm gonna tune this year also. I'm not planning on doing full exhaust just yet, I've done axel backs already for a louder sound.
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Yeah I'm gonna tune this year also. I'm not planning on doing full exhaust just yet, I've done axel backs already for a louder sound.
Any Cai will add to your exhaust note. The additional flow makes it sound even better.

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I didnt read all of this but get a CAI + Tune or Just a tune..... CAI's are WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAY over priced pieces of painted tube that give you near no gain. Dont believe the hype, its damn near a scam. If you want a CAI you can build your own for $100



tho only ones that might be worth anything are the ones that require a tune.
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I didnt read all of this but get a CAI + Tune or Just a tune..... CAI's are WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAY over priced pieces of painted tube that give you near no gain. Dont believe the hype, its damn near a scam. If you want a CAI you can build your own for $100
Back to the remove box add cone theory
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I didnt read all of this but get a CAI + Tune or Just a tune..... CAI's are WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAY over priced pieces of painted tube that give you near no gain. Dont believe the hype, its damn near a scam. If you want a CAI you can build your own for $100

tho only ones that might be worth anything are the ones that require a tune.


Here's some dyno charts from AM's testing of their tunes with CAI's etc on the 11+ 3.7. Supposedly done all the same day. You can see the non-tune required intake (JLT) adds a whopping 1hp/1tq over the stock airbox when both tuned. The curve is a bit smoother though but is it worth $250+? That's up to you.. What I want to see is track #'s comparing stock airbox and a cold air intake with and w/o tune. 1/4, autox, road course, etc.. I doubt you'd see a difference..
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I didnt read all of this but get a CAI + Tune or Just a tune..... CAI's are WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAY over priced pieces of painted tube that give you near no gain. Dont believe the hype, its damn near a scam. If you want a CAI you can build your own for $100



tho only ones that might be worth anything are the ones that require a tune.
Less than that...just cut the "sound muffler" off of your stock setup, fiberglass the hole left behind, and spray paint it. You'll now have a CAI, and you'll hear the noise everyone seems to want.
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I'm starting to think its more about eye candy than real performance. From what I'm getting is that it might compliment other mods down the line( full exhaust ect) but not really worth it if the my plan is not going down that road just yet. I'm don't think I'm buying into the whole smother air flow design from steeda over other ca intakes and larger dia piping to tb. I don't think it will do much if anything with a stock exhaust and a stock tb to actually bring in more air and breath it out through the stock pipes imo.
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I'm starting to think its more about eye candy than real performance. From what I'm getting is that it might compliment other mods down the line( full exhaust ect) but not really worth it if the my plan is not going down that road just yet. I'm don't think I'm buying into the whole smother air flow design from steeda over other ca intakes and larger dia piping to tb. I don't think it will do much if anything with a stock exhaust and a stock tb to actually bring in more air and breath it out through the stock pipes imo.

It sure is an expensive mod for almost no hp return...makes me want to get the 3.73 gears + Tune combo instead thats for sure.

The sound is nice, but $260 nice? hmmmmm lol I could throw a drop-in filter on the stock tubing for the same sound it seems, since thats the principle reason for the mod for the majority of people.
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Where the aftermarket cold air shines is in airflow to support higher horsepower. On the dyno we typically see 9 to 12 horsepower over the stock airbox, mostly above 4,000rpm. A drop in filter is not going to give you any real measureable horsepower.

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Where the aftermarket cold air shines is in airflow to support higher horsepower. On the dyno we typically see 9 to 12 horsepower over the stock airbox, mostly above 4,000rpm. A drop in filter is not going to give you any real measureable horsepower.

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Good to know, and although I can appreciate the seemingly legit science and engineering that goes into the design of the CAI...its hard to warranty the difference in cost when the design translates to a difference of 1hp/tq to "J."

Will give it some thought for sure though. Thanks for the info TJ.
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Good to know, and although I can appreciate the seemingly legit science and engineering that goes into the design of the CAI...its hard to warranty the difference in cost when the design translates to a difference of 1hp/tq to "J."

Will give it some thought for sure though. Thanks for the info TJ.
Well Steedas is tune required so is the only one that will give you more gains. It's ones like JLT, Airaid, etc that are useless. Just gotta pay more. I'd still like to see track results w/ Steeda vs stock though. Dyno isn't everything. You don't drive with an open hood.
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I've done some research on the subject. And seeing dyno results after a CAI by itself, then seeing the results with the two combined, aren't really that different. I don't have headers or turbo...this will be my first mod. What are your opinions?
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Get the tuner and cai that requires a tuner. I used to have a cai w/ no tune required it was a nice noise maker. Then I got a cai that required a tune and the power difference was awesome.
Which cai requires a tune?
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Well Steedas is tune required so is the only one that will give you more gains. It's ones like JLT, Airaid, etc that are useless. Just gotta pay more. I'd still like to see track results w/ Steeda vs stock though. Dyno isn't everything. You don't drive with an open hood.

I know people say, "get the one that requires a tune" but in their very own testing, it showed an almost negligible HP/TQ increase over the competitor's CAI.

So who's to say really? That's what Im trying to get at. Is the $260 reallllly worth it ahead of other mods, when we're talking performance here and not whoosh whoosh
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I know people say, "get the one that requires a tune" but in their very own testing, it showed an almost negligible HP/TQ increase over the competitor's CAI.

So who's to say really? That's what Im trying to get at. Is the $260 reallllly worth it ahead of other mods, when we're talking performance here and not whoosh whoosh
From what I've seen from dyno's of Steedas is they give more gains then non-tune required. But, you don't know the different conditions, temp, etc.. Which is why I said I want to see track times comparing and see if it really does make a difference.

And I agree with you, I don't think they are worth it unless you're trying to squeeze out every single HP from your car for better track times. On the street, you most likely won't see a difference no matter what your head is telling you. What are you going to get from 0-60 in .001 seconds quicker? I have a JLT and it's the only mod that I really regret buying. Biggest waste of money..
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From what I've seen from dyno's of Steedas is they give more gains then non-tune required. But, you don't know the different conditions, temp, etc.. Which is why I said I want to see track times comparing and see if it really does make a difference.

And I agree with you, I don't think they are worth it unless you're trying to squeeze out every single HP from your car for better track times. On the street, you most likely won't see a difference no matter what your head is telling you. What are you going to get from 0-60 in .001 seconds quicker? I have a JLT and it's the only mod that I really regret buying. Biggest waste of money..
Yup, seems like we are in agreement. I think if I'm going to buy a combo from AM its going to be Tune + 3.73 gears, that will completely transform my car, instead of CAI + Tune which will be a moderate transform.

The intake is largely for the sound imo, or squeeze out some last few hp like you said. Especially since Ford did an above average job on our stock intake, which reduces the aftermarket's ability to really show any increases to warrant a $250-400 purchase.
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Yup, seems like we are in agreement. I think if I'm going to buy a combo from AM its going to be Tune + 3.73 gears, that will completely transform my car, instead of CAI + Tune which will be a moderate transform.

The intake is largely for the sound imo, or squeeze out some last few hp like you said. Especially since Ford did an above average job on our stock intake, which reduces the aftermarket's ability to really show any increases to warrant a $250-400 purchase.
I just hate how everyone recommends a CAI/tuner package from AM like it's some kind of amazing package. Unless you want the "cool" sound or maybe just something to look nicer under the hood. Some say it made their exhaust louder but not sure that's been proven. I just can't justify it from a performance stand point. Get a gear/tuner package like you said, or and exhaust & tune.
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I know people say, "get the one that requires a tune" but in their very own testing, it showed an almost negligible HP/TQ increase over the competitor's CAI.

So who's to say really? That's what Im trying to get at. Is the $260 reallllly worth it ahead of other mods, when we're talking performance here and not whoosh whoosh
The CAI is one of those mods that everyone does no matter what they drive... So manny people get them that others get suckered into it if you ask me... Your average high school kid that thinks he knows everything about a car is going to tell you a CAI is an excellent first mod that will give you a good gain...but really they have no idea, there just repeating what everyone else had said.

As a matter of fact, I have seen instances where a CAI took power from a car because as we all know most CAI are really hot air intakes unless they mount in a fender or bring in outside air...

It has been said many times that the 2 mods that wake up our cars the most are the tune and gears and I would agree. The tune makes the car more fun to drive along with a nice gain in power... I think if I could only do 1 mod that would be it. The tune is closely followed by the gears. Something about the pickup in acceleration just gets the blood pumpin... If your trying to save your warranty them I would recommend exhaust mods. Headers and a cat back system has been shown to give good gains, even just long tube headers and a shorty x pipe would give you some nice top end power.
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Yup, seems like we are in agreement. I think if I'm going to buy a combo from AM its going to be Tune + 3.73 gears, that will completely transform my car, instead of CAI + Tune which will be a moderate transform.

The intake is largely for the sound imo, or squeeze out some last few hp like you said. Especially since Ford did an above average job on our stock intake, which reduces the aftermarket's ability to really show any increases to warrant a $250-400 purchase.
Gear/tuner combo for me. If I do a Cai it will be way down the list of mods I have planned. Thx everyone for the great info and opinions!
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As a matter of fact, I have seen instances where a CAI took power from a car because as we all know most CAI are really hot air intakes unless they mount in a fender or bring in outside air...
That is why the Steeda unit engages the hood to keep unwanted hot air out.

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I have seen first hand dyno results with a JLT cai without a tuner. It does add around 9-10 hp by itself. Steeda may add more, but cai's do help. The engine sound also improves. But everyone has their own opinions.
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I have seen first hand dyno results with a JLT cai without a tuner. It does add around 9-10 hp by itself. Steeda may add more, but cai's do help. The engine sound also improves. But everyone has their own opinions.
Good to know, I wish there was more dyno charts to support this though so I can see it for myself. The few charts I've seen usuaully show CAI + Tune as 1hp over Tune alone lol
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I have attached a dyno sheet that was a test we did about a year and a half ago of the stock airbox vs the cold air.

On this test the car was loaded with a basic tune with no cam timing changes just so we could have a higher rev limiter that way we could rev the engine to the same RPM with both intakes without running into a limiter. Ignition timing was the same for both tunes.

The results show a “peak” gain of only 5 horsepower, but there is a lot more there if you read the dyno sheet. Gains started at about 4,500, with gains of 6 to 9 horsepower between 4,500 and 5,000. Between 5,300 and 6,100 gains were 7 to 10 horsepower. And between 6,700 and 7,200 the gains were an impressive 12 to 15 horsepower. So you can see measureable gains from a cold air intake.


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I have attached a dyno sheet that was a test we did about a year and a half ago of the stock airbox vs the cold air.

On this test the car was loaded with a basic tune with no cam timing changes just so we could have a higher rev limiter that way we could rev the engine to the same RPM with both intakes without running into a limiter. Ignition timing was the same for both tunes.

The results show a “peak” gain of only 5 horsepower, but there is a lot more there if you read the dyno sheet. Gains started at about 4,500, with gains of 6 to 9 horsepower between 4,500 and 5,000. Between 5,300 and 6,100 gains were 7 to 10 horsepower. And between 6,700 and 7,200 the gains were an impressive 12 to 15 horsepower. So you can see measureable gains from a cold air intake.
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I have attached a dyno sheet that was a test we did about a year and a half ago of the stock airbox vs the cold air.

On this test the car was loaded with a basic tune with no cam timing changes just so we could have a higher rev limiter that way we could rev the engine to the same RPM with both intakes without running into a limiter. Ignition timing was the same for both tunes.

The results show a “peak” gain of only 5 horsepower, but there is a lot more there if you read the dyno sheet. Gains started at about 4,500, with gains of 6 to 9 horsepower between 4,500 and 5,000. Between 5,300 and 6,100 gains were 7 to 10 horsepower. And between 6,700 and 7,200 the gains were an impressive 12 to 15 horsepower. So you can see measureable gains from a cold air intake.
Don't see the attachment TJ. But I assume this is with your intake, correct?
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