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Old 04-02-2013, 11:03 PM   #1
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Do you guys know if there is a bolt on turbo kit out I'm looking for a small turbo because of less lag do they make a kit like that for the v6?
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Do you guys know if there is a bolt on turbo kit out I'm looking for a small turbo because of less lag do they make a kit like that for the v6?
Order direct from hellion bro!
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Order direct from hellion bro!
The helion turbo is a huge turbo it's a 67 mm I want to get a 42 or a little bigger so I would get no lag
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If you don't want lag, why not get a supercharger like Procharger?
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The helion turbo is a huge turbo it's a 67 mm I want to get a 42 or a little bigger so I would get no lag
Even with the bigger turbos the power gains out weigh the lag. You shouldn't worry to much about it.
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42 will be to small and in efficient for ur motor if u have to small of a turbo it will not be able to support ur motor and it will build up to much heat
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If you don't want lag, why not get a supercharger like Procharger?
I was reading that supercharger takes power from your motor so it's not as effiecnt I could be wrong though.

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42 will be to small and in efficient for ur motor if u have to small of a turbo it will not be able to support ur motor and it will build up to much heat
What size turbo would be good for a daily driver for the v6?
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The amount of power lost by the drive belt on a supercharger is negligble - really not something to get too worked up about. It is true though that a turbo is more efficient and will produce better RWHP and torque than a supercharger. But the only supercharger that will fit the 3.7 is the procharger centrifugal which is essentially a belt driven turbo so might as well get the turbo and elminate the belt. A twin screw or roots type blower won't easily fit the 3.7 because of the narrow valley between the heads and no one has a kit either for that type.

The only kit available right now is the Hellion kit. The kit from C-F-M should be out soon as well.

My concern with the Hellion kit is the turbo location in the wheel well, even though there is a splash guard in place I don't like the turbo sitting there on a daily driver. Second is the low mounting point of the turbo - that means you need a scavenger pump to return the oil to the engine. Scavenger pumps are one extra point of potential failure added to the mix. The C-F-M kit looks to be mounted up high in the engine bay so gravity feed will return the oil to the engine upon shut down.

A properly sized turbo will have minimal lag. Too small and it will spool quickly but also run out of power at the top end. Too big and it will lag and take time to spool up and build power at the top end. In my build plans that I have been going over with a shop we decided on the T3/T4 67 (I think that was the last one anyway - still in the planning stages)

With the 3.7 the twin screw and immediate low end torque would be ideal. The low end is where it seems to need the most help.
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The amount of power lost by the drive belt on a supercharger is negligble - really not something to get too worked up about. It is true though that a turbo is more efficient and will produce better RWHP and torque than a supercharger. But the only supercharger that will fit the 3.7 is the procharger centrifugal which is essentially a belt driven turbo so might as well get the turbo and elminate the belt. A twin screw or roots type blower won't easily fit the 3.7 because of the narrow valley between the heads and no one has a kit either for that type.

The only kit available right now is the Hellion kit. The kit from C-F-M should be out soon as well.

My concern with the Hellion kit is the turbo location in the wheel well, even though there is a splash guard in place I don't like the turbo sitting there on a daily driver. Second is the low mounting point of the turbo - that means you need a scavenger pump to return the oil to the engine. Scavenger pumps are one extra point of potential failure added to the mix. The C-F-M kit looks to be mounted up high in the engine bay so gravity feed will return the oil to the engine upon shut down.

A properly sized turbo will have minimal lag. Too small and it will spool quickly but also run out of power at the top end. Too big and it will lag and take time to spool up and build power at the top end. In my build plans that I have been going over with a shop we decided on the T3/T4 67 (I think that was the last one anyway - still in the planning stages)

With the 3.7 the twin screw and immediate low end torque would be ideal. The low end is where it seems to need the most help.
So by reading this a turbo is going to be a problem with install and oil return. Sounds like a turbo will cost a considerable amount more than the Procharger (system and install). And with the twin screw a major fit issue. I would go with the tested and proven Procharger. Yeah you might lose a little power as compared to the turbo, but the added cost does not warrant the purchase of a turbo IMO.
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So by reading this a turbo is going to be a problem with install and oil return. Sounds like a turbo will cost a considerable amount more than the Procharger (system and install). And with the twin screw a major fit issue. I would go with the tested and proven Procharger. Yeah you might lose a little power as compared to the turbo, but the added cost does not warrant the purchase of a turbo IMO.
How reliable would a pro charger would be on a daily driver and how bad will mpg get?
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How reliable would a pro charger would be on a daily driver and how bad will mpg get?
In theory FI makes your engine more efficient, therefore you make more power. The problem is your foot once you get more power you are not going to keep your foot out of it. But you will get better mpg if you drive it conservatively. As to the reliability of the SC, I haven't heard of any problems with them. That's why they test them before they sell them.
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CFM's turbo is easier to install than Hellions and the oil returns through the valve cover. It will also be better priced. Just wait for a real turbo kit.
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How reliable would a pro charger would be on a daily driver and how bad will mpg get?
A supercharger is running off the engine. Even when its not on, it will still be draining on the engine. While a turbo doesn't have this affect.

If you are daily driving, and not trying to use any power, the supercharger will be costing you without return, while a turbo will just be doing nothing-but not hurting mpg.

Superchargers aren't bad, there are many good points to them, but a turbo will be more efficient. Hence it costing more.
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CFM's turbo is easier to install than Hellions and the oil returns through the valve cover. It will also be better priced. Just wait for a real turbo kit.
Agreed. What I have seen in the pictures tells me it is a better set up. Gravity feed for the oil return so no scavenger pump issues. And it is located up in the engine bay - while that contributes heat to the engine bay, on a daily driver it is a better location than the wheel well in my opinion.
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Please delete this thread mods. Its making a turbo waayyy too enticing !!

That cfm one looks to be truly badass.
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Please delete this thread mods. Its making a turbo waayyy to enticing !!

That cfm one looks to be truly badass.
Lmao true, true
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Please delete this thread mods. Its making a turbo waayyy too enticing !!

That cfm one looks to be truly badass.
No way! Maybe one of you sixxers will ball up and get blown!
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No way! Maybe one of you sixxers will ball up and get blown!
Lol we already have guys in here blown.

Just waiting on a REAL turbo and not limited to hellions anymore.
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No way! Maybe one of you sixxers will ball up and get blown!
Lol throw me a few dollars and maybe I will
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Lol throw me a few dollars and maybe I will
Cfm got the 3.7 to 503 tq lmao. Wtf. That would realllly make a sixxer a force to be reckoned with
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