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Old 06-06-2013, 03:13 PM   #1
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Question Tune before driveshaft swap concerns.

Hey folks,

I have yet to get a tuner for my car because I'm currently saving for the one piece drive shaft for the 2012 V6.

In the time that I've spent casually browsing the various topics here, a lot of "hey what do I do first" threads have responses like "get cai and tune". And no mention of drive shaft replacement comes up (maybe way down if at all).

I know the tuner removes the limiter (which you can set it back to 113 electronically with your tuner even after you've got better performance). So my question is...

Is it safe to get a tune for the car (and its mods) so long as I re-enable the speed limiter at 113 mph (wheels are stock atm) if I haven't changed the drive shaft yet?

I'll likely still wait for the drive shaft (because I like the peace of mind) but I'd like to know the mechanics behind my worry. Just for the sake of my tuning education.

Thank you.
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Hey folks,

I have yet to get a tuner for my car because I'm currently saving for the one piece drive shaft for the 2012 V6.

In the time that I've spent casually browsing the various topics here, a lot of "hey what do I do first" threads have responses like "get cai and tune". And no mention of drive shaft replacement comes up (maybe way down if at all).

I know the tuner removes the limiter (which you can set it back to 113 electronically with your tuner even after you've got better performance). So my question is...

Is it safe to get a tune for the car (and its mods) so long as I re-enable the speed limiter at 113 mph (wheels are stock atm) if I haven't changed the drive shaft yet?

I'll likely still wait for the drive shaft (because I like the peace of mind) but I'd like to know the mechanics behind my worry. Just for the sake of my tuning education.

Thank you.
Yes, you will be 100% safe as long with the stock speed limiter.
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I have the stock ds and I run the 93 race tune with no limiter
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I am going gears and tune, no immediate plans to do the ds. There's a 99% chance I'll never hit 100mph anyways. If I start going to the track I definitely will replace it.
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I have the stock ds and I run the 93 race tune with no limiter
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Don't really know why I took the limiter off, I guess just because I could.
I really don't see me going over 100 unless i go to the track..which isn't likely right now. I have read this 113 number a few times. What is the reason everyone says 113? Does the ds get wobbly at that speed or what is the story behind that ?
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Don't really know why I took the limiter off, I guess just because I could.
I really don't see me going over 100 unless i go to the track..which isn't likely right now. I have read this 113 number a few times. What is the reason everyone says 113? Does the ds get wobbly at that speed or what is the story behind that ?
113 is the stock limiter

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Don't really know why I took the limiter off, I guess just because I could.
I really don't see me going over 100 unless i go to the track..which isn't likely right now. I have read this 113 number a few times. What is the reason everyone says 113? Does the ds get wobbly at that speed or what is the story behind that ?
A couple people's shafts have failed but over the 130 Mark. I have had mine over 130 with no issues but I wouldn't recommend it. I did that before I found out about the shaft issue.
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113 is the stock limiter

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A couple people's shafts have failed but over the 130 Mark. I have had mine over 130 with no issues but I wouldn't recommend it. I did that before I found out about the shaft issue.
Oh ok, good to know..Thanks
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Thanks for all of the feedback guys. So long as you keep the limiter on, you should be ok if you re-tune your car (till you replace the driveshaft).
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Thanks for all of the feedback guys. So long as you keep the limiter on, you should be ok if you re-tune your car (till you replace the driveshaft).
From the sounds of it as long as you keep it below 130 you should be good with the stock driveshaft. A tune is not going to produce enough extra hp to cause problems at normal speeds. At least I wouldn't think so. I am running a 93 octane race tune and I'm not concerned. Of course I don't think I've had the car over 95 yet so I'm not really even coming close to the limits of the stock parts
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Mine has hit 120 stock limiter. No snap. Js.
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Mine has hit 120 stock limiter. No snap. Js.
mines 120 also. idk where people get 113 mph?
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mines 120 also. idk where people get 113 mph?
Idk either lol maybe it's auto vs manual

I never tested mine before the tune
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Idk either lol maybe it's auto vs manual

I never tested mine before the tune
i don't have that limit anymore but I remember having the stock DS and I pushed it past 140 before and no problems but I got one custom made cuz everyone kept scaring me of it breaking. better to be safe than sorry even if it is $500 outta my pocket
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Mine was set at 120 to, I just keep reading 113. That's why I couldn't understand why 113 seemed to be a important number
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Mines an auto and has bigger tires by one size. Some how saves me gas??

Anyway, mine will read out at around 120-125 on the gauge. It creeps up to this speed though, not just like to 110. It must be all about torque being pulled on the shaft rather than speed.
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Hey folks,

I have yet to get a tuner for my car because I'm currently saving for the one piece drive shaft for the 2012 V6.

In the time that I've spent casually browsing the various topics here, a lot of "hey what do I do first" threads have responses like "get cai and tune". And no mention of drive shaft replacement comes up (maybe way down if at all).

I know the tuner removes the limiter (which you can set it back to 113 electronically with your tuner even after you've got better performance). So my question is...

Is it safe to get a tune for the car (and its mods) so long as I re-enable the speed limiter at 113 mph (wheels are stock atm) if I haven't changed the drive shaft yet?

I'll likely still wait for the drive shaft (because I like the peace of mind) but I'd like to know the mechanics behind my worry. Just for the sake of my tuning education.

Thank you.
are you installing it yourself and if so can you post pictures of the process
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are you installing it yourself and if so can you post pictures of the process
There is a install guide with pictures on AM. (AmericanMuscle)
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When I do upgrade the drive shaft, it will be done at a shop.
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A couple people's shafts have failed but over the 130 Mark. I have had mine over 130 with no issues but I wouldn't recommend it. I did that before I found out about the shaft issue.
From what I researched ONLY 2 have had an issue, and both seemed under strange circumstances. Anyone here count more then 2 not on a Dyno?

Lots of GT drive-shafts have had problems, more so then the V6, including aftermarket AL ones.
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From what I researched ONLY 2 have had an issue, and both seemed under strange circumstances. Anyone here count more then 2 not on a Dyno?

Lots of GT drive-shafts have had problems, more so then the V6, including aftermarket AL ones.
It's most definitely more than two. I'd say a dozen, at the least. There are a handful of videos on YouTube of people snapping there driveshafts. Some on the dyno, some on the street, and some at a track.
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a aftermarket driveshaft is a must if you want more then 305 hp. lol
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From what I researched ONLY 2 have had an issue, and both seemed under strange circumstances. Anyone here count more then 2 not on a Dyno?

Lots of GT drive-shafts have had problems, more so then the V6, including aftermarket AL ones.
The one video of the guy flooring it past the 135 mark. Put a lot of strain on it instead of coasting up to it
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It's most definitely more than two. I'd say a dozen, at the least. There are a handful of videos on YouTube of people snapping there driveshafts. Some on the dyno, some on the street, and some at a track.
I see 4 videos regarding the V6@. One shows nothing and is a joke. There's the original 135 mph one with irresponsible one handed driver with a camera in the other hand and the other two are the same car on a dyno. No comments about if the car or driveshaft is stock. On Fords sight the only complaint is on a GT at the drag strip. IMHO this has been over hyped.

Can't find any other YouTube videos.
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I see 4 videos regarding the V6@. One shows nothing and is a joke. There's the original 135 mph one with irresponsible one handed driver with a camera in the other hand and the other two are the same car on a dyno. No comments about if the car or driveshaft is stock. On Fords sight the only complaint is on a GT at the drag strip. IMHO this has been over hyped.

Can't find any other YouTube videos.
Honestly it probably is over hyped but I'm not risking it on my car.
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Honestly it probably is over hyped but I'm not risking it on my car.
Even the after market ones break. I'm not risking driving 130 mph period. Been there done that.
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Even the after market ones break. I'm not risking driving 130 mph period. Been there done that.
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do the aftermarket give any real performance gains like acceleration? I have it but didn't notice a difference
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do the aftermarket give any real performance gains like acceleration? I have it but didn't notice a difference
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I see 4 videos regarding the V6@. One shows nothing and is a joke. There's the original 135 mph one with irresponsible one handed driver with a camera in the other hand and the other two are the same car on a dyno. No comments about if the car or driveshaft is stock. On Fords sight the only complaint is on a GT at the drag strip. IMHO this has been over hyped.

Can't find any other YouTube videos.
Yep, I still can't find more than 2 non-dyno confirmed V6 shaft breakin' same as Midnight posts here. I would bet more problems with folks burnin' up a motor with a tuner doing tuner mods they don't really know how to do. {meaning modifying tunes themselves, not just loading tunes made by a Firm}
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do the aftermarket give any real performance gains like acceleration? I have it but didn't notice a difference
Bit quicker off the line and snappier throttle response.
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