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Old 06-23-2013, 03:41 PM   #1
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Flashers vs Governor

A friend told me that if I turn on my flashers, that it will also turn off the governor, as long as the flashers are still on. Is there any truth to this?
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since they are two different systems i wouldn't think so...
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Flashers WILL turn off your cruise control.
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Flashers WILL turn off your cruise control.
Correct. Since the flashers use the same circuit as the brake lights, it will indeed turn off the cruise control. The newer vehicles (somewhere around 2001), started using the brake light circuit to kill the cruise control. Many folks found this out when the bought cheap LED taillights for their vehicles, and found out their cruise stopped working. Load resisters were the fix, or buying better kits with built in load resisters.

I doubt the upper speed limit governor gets disabled with the flashers on. Besides, who needs the added attention to the fact you are over the speed limit with the police with the flashers going?

No doubt some member here will try it this weekend and post back......hopefully no one gets hurt.
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LOL!! bucko. I bet someone will try this soon also
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A friend told me that if I turn on my flashers, that it will also turn off the governor, as long as the flashers are still on. Is there any truth to this?
Something just tells me driving down the highway at 125+ mph with your flashers on might make things a little too obvious
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He said that it's a safety feature. I guess having flashers on means you're in a hurry and you need to speed. I can see it being plausible, since the governor is electronic, and not a physical switch.
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But just because you're in a hurry, doesn't mean it's a good idea to go THAT fast. Especially if you still have the stock tires and driveshaft. Neither are rated for that kind of speed and you'd just be taking the chance of adding another emergency situation on top of the one you were in a hurry for to begin with.
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But just because you're in a hurry, doesn't mean it's a good idea to go THAT fast. Especially if you still have the stock tires and driveshaft. Neither are rated for that kind of speed and you'd just be taking the chance of adding another emergency situation on top of the one you were in a hurry for to begin with.
My tires are rated to 180, they came stock with my mustang. The driveshaft has been proven to hit 150+ safely as well, multiple times. So I don't think that would be an issue.
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That may not be the case for some people though. Besides, I really don't think Ford would give us such an easy way of disabling the speed governor that they put in place for safety reasons. Either way, no one should be hitting speeds like that unless they are on a track or drag strip.
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That may not be the case for some people though. Besides, I really don't think Ford would give us such an easy way of disabling the speed governor that they put in place for safety reasons. Either way, no one should be hitting speeds like that unless they are on a track or drag strip.
Agreed, I was just curious, that's all.
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Be careful with that...

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*sigh*...Here we go again...

Have you ever heard of a manufacture defect? That's what this is. Ford even admitted it, and replaced his driveshaft, and fixed all the damage under warranty. The stock drive shaft on the v6 can easily do 150+, as many people have done before.
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Sorry to revisit something old. My bad.
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Sorry to revisit something old. My bad.
No worries, it just frustrates me when there are multiple threads over the same topics, and already solved issues keep rising.
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No worries, it just frustrates me when there are multiple threads over the same topics, and already solved issues keep rising.
I just figured if someone thought their flashers would override a speed limiter, then maybe something showing what could happen wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I have a GT so I'm not often in the V6 section.

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I've also seen a driveshaft of a GT snap on a dyno before, so be careful when dynoing!
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*sigh*...Here we go again...

Have you ever heard of a manufacture defect? That's what this is. Ford even admitted it, and replaced his driveshaft, and fixed all the damage under warranty. The stock drive shaft on the v6 can easily do 150+, as many people have done before.
Where did you get all that info from? I wouldn't say it's a manufacturer defect considering there have been dozens of these DS problems. It's a weak-link two piece driveshaft, there is a reason Ford put the speed limiter to 113 MPH.

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The stock drive shaft on the v6 can easily do 150+, as many people have done before.
Where did you get that from? I wouldn't go near 150 mph with the POS 2-piece DS. Unless your looking to kill yourself. Go on YouTube. There is at least 10 videos of the stock 2-piece DS snapping.
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Correct. Since the flashers use the same circuit as the brake lights, it will indeed turn off the cruise control. The newer vehicles (somewhere around 2001), started using the brake light circuit to kill the cruise control. Many folks found this out when the bought cheap LED taillights for their vehicles, and found out their cruise stopped working. Load resisters were the fix, or buying better kits with built in load resisters.

I doubt the upper speed limit governor gets disabled with the flashers on. Besides, who needs the added attention to the fact you are over the speed limit with the police with the flashers going?

No doubt some member here will try it this weekend and post back......hopefully no one gets hurt.
I certainly wouldn't try a top end run with my flashers on but today on cruise control the emergency flashers being on had no effect what so ever.

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*sigh*...Here we go again...

Have you ever heard of a manufacture defect? That's what this is. Ford even admitted it, and replaced his driveshaft, and fixed all the damage under warranty. The stock drive shaft on the v6 can easily do 150+, as many people have done before.
Exactly. People keep spouting dozens of failures yet show no proof.

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Where did you get all that info from? I wouldn't say it's a manufacturer defect considering there have been dozens of these DS problems. It's a weak-link two piece driveshaft, there is a reason Ford put the speed limiter to 113 MPH.

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Where did you get that from? I wouldn't go near 150 mph with the POS 2-piece DS. Unless your looking to kill yourself. Go on YouTube. There is at least 10 videos of the stock 2-piece DS snapping.
No there isn't. One is the original idiot driving 135+ with a camcorder in 1 hand. Another is a28 second suspected clip. 2 are the same car on a dyno with 2 different camera angles, why? and the last is a GT. out of how many Mustangs sold since 2010?
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Where did you get all that info from? I wouldn't say it's a manufacturer defect considering there have been dozens of these DS problems. It's a weak-link two piece driveshaft, there is a reason Ford put the speed limiter to 113 MPH.

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Where did you get that from? I wouldn't go near 150 mph with the POS 2-piece DS. Unless your looking to kill yourself. Go on YouTube. There is at least 10 videos of the stock 2-piece DS snapping.
I'd love you to link me to those "10 youtube videos" of the driveshaft snapping.
Also link me to the "dozens of driveshaft problems" you speak of.
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Exactly. People keep spouting dozens of failures yet show no proof.

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No there isn't. One is the original idiot driving 135+ with a camcorder in 1 hand. Another is a28 second suspected clip. 2 are the same car on a dyno with 2 different camera angles, why? and the last is a GT. out of how many Mustangs sold since 2010?
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Correct. Since the flashers use the same circuit as the brake lights, it will indeed turn off the cruise control. The newer vehicles (somewhere around 2001), started using the brake light circuit to kill the cruise control. Many folks found this out when the bought cheap LED taillights for their vehicles, and found out their cruise stopped working. Load resisters were the fix, or buying better kits with built in load resisters.

I doubt the upper speed limit governor gets disabled with the flashers on. Besides, who needs the added attention to the fact you are over the speed limit with the police with the flashers going?

No doubt some member here will try it this weekend and post back......hopefully no one gets hurt.
Tried it in my 2012 and flashers dont turn off the cruise control. Had to try it lol
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I'd love you to link me to those "10 youtube videos" of the driveshaft snapping.
Also link me to the "dozens of driveshaft problems" you speak of.
Please and Thank You!
I'm at work right now. Can't get all ten because they are in my bookmarks, but believe me there is at the very LEAST ten of them. I just found SIX videos in about 2-3 minutes doing a simple search on YouTube "3.7 mustang driveshaft fail".

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So, you still think there is no issue here? Still want to go 150 MPH+? I'd sure hope not...It's quite obvious there is a problem with the 2-piece drives-shaft. Just look how it's designed! It's a weak-link!

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I just don't want anyone thinking they can go 150 MPH safely in the 2011+ V6 with the stock DS and kill them self. That statement is obviously false, and you could get someone injured or killed with that statement.
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A friend told me that if I turn on my flashers, that it will also turn off the governor, as long as the flashers are still on. Is there any truth to this?
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He said that it's a safety feature. I guess having flashers on means you're in a hurry and you need to speed. I can see it being plausible, since the governor is electronic, and not a physical switch.
And does your friend drive a Honda or something? The hazard flashers have nothing to do with your speed limiter.

Oh, and try telling the cop who pulls you over "I had my flashers on so therefore I am allowed to go 125 because I'm in a hurry and need to speed".
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*sigh*...Here we go again...

Have you ever heard of a manufacture defect? That's what this is. Ford even admitted it, and replaced his driveshaft, and fixed all the damage under warranty. The stock drive shaft on the v6 can easily do 150+, as many people have done before.
Care to show me where you got this info? I don't see any links...
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Anyone going to do 150+ better be aware of more than just ds failure, you also need tires that can handle those types of speeds, and more importantly most drivers may think they can handle speeds like that usually end up on the news either killing someone or them selves! There are reasons there are speed limits and governors, and its just not because of ds failure. Just YouTube mustang fails, you'll see many people that shouldn't even be driving these cars to begin with! Its not just about speed its also about responsibility.
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If your going to track your car or do extreme driving with no limiter you need to use common sense and replace the ds with a one piece or risk having a failure! If you don't intend to track or remove the limiter the factory ds is fine! That should be the rule of thumb.
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If your going to track your car or do extreme driving with no limiter you need to use common sense and replace the ds with a one piece or risk having a failure! If you don't intend to track or remove the limiter the factory ds is fine! That should be the rule of thumb.
+100 I don't see how people are thinking the DS is fine when there are videos of dozens of failures. Just look at a photo of the GT driveshaft then look at the V6 driveshaft. That should explain enough.
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I'm at work right now. Can't get all ten because they are in my bookmarks, but believe me there is at the very LEAST ten of them. I just found SIX videos in about 2-3 minutes doing a simple search on YouTube "3.7 mustang driveshaft fail".

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So, you still think there is no issue here? Still want to go 150 MPH+? I'd sure hope not...It's quite obvious there is a problem with the 2-piece drives-shaft. Just look how it's designed! It's a weak-link!

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I just don't want anyone thinking they can go 150 MPH safely in the 2011+ V6 with the stock DS and kill them self. That statement is obviously false, and you could get someone injured or killed with that statement.
You really only have 2 legit videos here. You claimed 10, I only see 2, including the one that everyone already knows about. So really, only one. Dyno snaps don't count to much, since there is more stress on a dyno than you would ever really see in a real world condition. I've seen a GT shaft snap on a Dyno, so under your theory, all GT drivers should replace there shaft as well. Two of the videos you posted are of the same car, and they don't say nor do they show how it broke. All it says is "broken drive shaft" in the description. Ill find the post about the European doing 150+, but it might take me a bit.

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+100 I don't see how people are thinking the DS is fine when there are videos of dozens of failures. Just look at a photo of the GT driveshaft then look at the V6 driveshaft. That should explain enough.
Dozens of failures? You found 2 failures, and you still don't know the story behind each of those 2 failures.

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And does your friend drive a Honda or something? The hazard flashers have nothing to do with your speed limiter.

Oh, and try telling the cop who pulls you over "I had my flashers on so therefore I am allowed to go 125 because I'm in a hurry and need to speed".
Actually he does drive a Honda lmfao
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I have to say, ford dropped the ball on this one and for some unknown reason cheaped out. Tagging an extra 500$ on the price tag would have been worth avoiding all the negative PR around this issue and made everyone happy! Dumb dumbs in the ds department for sure!
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You really only have 2 legit videos here. You claimed 10, I only see 2, including the one that everyone already knows about. So really, only one. Dyno snaps don't count to much, since there is more stress on a dyno than you would ever really see in a real world condition. I've seen a GT shaft snap on a Dyno, so under your theory, all GT drivers should replace there shaft as well. Two of the videos you posted are of the same car, and they don't say nor do they show how it broke. All it says is "broken drive shaft" in the description. Ill find the post about the European doing 150+, but it might take me a bit.

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Dozens of failures? You found 2 failures, and you still don't know the story behind each of those 2 failures.

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Actually he does drive a Honda lmfao
So what are you trying to say? That the stock DS is not an issue and is safe?? I am confused.

I mean the concept is really easy. Fact is, if you have the stock driveshaft and go over the stock limiter then you risk exploding your driveshaft. Easy as that.
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So what are you trying to say? That the stock DS is not an issue and is safe?? I am confused.
The stock ds is perfectly safe if you use it as ford mandates. Don't remove the limiter.
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The stock ds is perfectly safe if you use it as ford mandates. Don't remove the limiter.
Exactly.....or your drive-shaft could end up looking like this

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So what are you trying to say? That the stock DS is not an issue and is safe?? I am confused.

I mean the concept is really easy. Fact is, if you have the stock driveshaft and go over the stock limiter then you risk exploding your driveshaft. Easy as that.
My point is that the drive shaft will not automatically explode at 135 as you are suggesting. Yes AM sells a once piece drive shaft which would improve safety at high speeds, being that it is stronger, but it is possible to take the stock shaft past 150 if under the right conditions, and if you don't push it to hard. That's all i'm saying. The only thing I'm arguing is your assumption that every shaft is defective and can't sustain anything over 135.
I also pointed out that your "10+ videos on youtube" turned out to be only 2. Two failures out of thousands of cars sold. That's not the massive issue that you're making it out to be.
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Removing the limiter is easy. Just buy a performance tuner. I have one for past two years. Forget that flasher crap. I purchased a one piece aluminium driveshaft from american muscle for my 11 v6 and real happy with it. What a huge visible difference in the two of them when my stock DS was taken out. Worth the piece of mind should I want to travel 140 plus. The car feels to shift smoother with the one piece and less rotational mass than the two piece.
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