After much debate... - Page 2 - Mustang Evolution

Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 4 Cylinder | V6 | Classic Mustangs || Tech and Talk > 2011-2014 V6 Mustang



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them here!
Old 07-17-2013, 03:54 PM   #36
Registered Member
Regular
 
Midnight2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: So Cal
Region: California
Posts: 790
Quote:
Originally Posted by Six7One View Post

The thing here is, you're placing more value on "thrill/fun factor" than I am. $250 a year is a couple of nice evenings with my family out at dinner. And I would prefer that over a little less time from one end of a race to another.
Why didn't you put 4.10's on? Those would have pulled A LOT harder than the 3.73's.
Why didn't he get a GT 500 ?
Midnight2012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-17-2013, 05:04 PM   #37
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight2012 View Post

Why didn't he get a GT 500 ?
Man, you mean the dealership gave me the wrong car. Wtf. Lol. Probably the 55k plus price tag on it may of had something to do with it. Lol. I can certainly respect the fact a few family nights out are more important than spending it on fuel. That's cool. Then sounds like 3:31 gears is the way to go for you. That way you get the added performance and still take the family out. Plus, you won't need to spend $ 380 dollars on a performance tuner because Ford can speed calibrate the 3:31 gears unlike 3:55 or 3:73 gears. This giving you double more nights out with the family.

To answer your question about why did I not install 4:10 gears. I believe 4:10 gears are more for track use than daily driving use, although you can DD on 4:10's. I do not track my car. My opinion based upon research 3:73 gears are the perfect blend for DD or track purposes. Your MPG's are still excellent yet your performance is a kick in the teeth awesome compared to 2:73 gears. I think 3:73 gears are the perfect option for automatics as well. One can super or turbo charge and never a issue of 1st gear being short. Its a perfect blend of power and daily usefulness.
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 05:40 PM   #38
Registered Member
Regular
 
FastFord13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Montreal
Region: Canada
Posts: 4,264
FastFord13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-17-2013, 06:36 PM   #39
Registered Member
Regular
 
13 stang22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: fort worth
Region: Texas
Posts: 1,006
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

Man, you mean the dealership gave me the wrong car. Wtf. Lol. Probably the 55k plus price tag on it may of had something to do with it. Lol. I can certainly respect the fact a few family nights out are more important than spending it on fuel. That's cool. Then sounds like 3:31 gears is the way to go for you. That way you get the added performance and still take the family out. Plus, you won't need to spend $ 380 dollars on a performance tuner because Ford can speed calibrate the 3:31 gears unlike 3:55 or 3:73 gears. This giving you double more nights out with the family.

To answer your question about why did I not install 4:10 gears. I believe 4:10 gears are more for track use than daily driving use, although you can DD on 4:10's. I do not track my car. My opinion based upon research 3:73 gears are the perfect blend for DD or track purposes. Your MPG's are still excellent yet your performance is a kick in the teeth awesome compared to 2:73 gears. I think 3:73 gears are the perfect option for automatics as well. One can super or turbo charge and never a issue of 1st gear being short. Its a perfect blend of power and daily usefulness.
I have a procharged stang with 4.10s. auto tho. it's absolutely lovely
13 stang22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 06:41 PM   #40
Registered Member
Regular
 
Bonnie12V6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Kansas City
Region: Missouri
Posts: 274
I have 3.55 and average 28.6 mpg on highway at 65mph
__________________
Ryan
'Sally' 2014 Mustang GT 5.0, Black
Shelby GT500 Axleback, Res delete, Barton shift bracket.
United States Air Force
Bonnie12V6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:07 PM   #41
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque
Region: New Mexico
Posts: 484
I already got the 3.55s. I have a tuner and intake.

I am guessing I will lose 3mpg with speeds around 80.
Six7One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:12 PM   #42
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnie12V6 View Post
I have 3.55 and average 28.6 mpg on highway at 65mph
With my 3:73 I get 27 mpg on highway at 65 to 70 mph

---------- Post added at 08:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 PM ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 stang22 View Post

I have a procharged stang with 4.10s. auto tho. it's absolutely lovely
I bet you do. Lol. That's awesome. Sounds more than lovely.
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:26 PM   #43
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque
Region: New Mexico
Posts: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

With my 3:73 I get 27 mpg on highway at 65 to 70 mph
65 in NM will get you run off of the road.
Six7One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:02 PM   #44
Registered Member
Regular
 
FastFord13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Montreal
Region: Canada
Posts: 4,264
I have 2.73s and get 4 mpg. Lol
FastFord13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:03 PM   #45
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque
Region: New Mexico
Posts: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastFord13 View Post
I have 2.73s and get 4 mpg. Lol
4?
Do you drive up hill both ways?

Lol
Six7One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:11 PM   #46
Registered Member
Regular
 
pwrby4d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Region: Arizona
Posts: 1,020
The difference between the 373 and 355 is about 125 rpm.. a difference of about 5% torque. Either gear is fine. Depending.on launch rpm and tire size the 355 might pull harder than the 373. That said. I have 19 x 9.5 rims with 275 wides on my car. A 410 gear will make it feel like a 373 with 17 stockers. The gear is only part of the whole equation.
pwrby4d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:14 PM   #47
Registered Member
Regular
 
FastFord13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Montreal
Region: Canada
Posts: 4,264
Quote:
Originally Posted by Six7One View Post

4?
Do you drive up hill both ways?

Lol
Lol, that must be it.
FastFord13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:41 PM   #48
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
What ever gear you choose it should give more performance than stock 2:73 gears. Its all about how much performance you want to get your rocks off and satisfy the thirst for performance. If 3:31 gears accomplishes that, that's a winner winner chicken dinner.
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 02:34 PM   #49
Evolution's Finest
Supporter
 
MustangDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lake Forest
Region: California
Posts: 726
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post
Man, you mean the dealership gave me the wrong car. Wtf. Lol. Probably the 55k plus price tag on it may of had something to do with it. Lol. I can certainly respect the fact a few family nights out are more important than spending it on fuel. That's cool. Then sounds like 3:31 gears is the way to go for you. That way you get the added performance and still take the family out. Plus, you won't need to spend $ 380 dollars on a performance tuner because Ford can speed calibrate the 3:31 gears unlike 3:55 or 3:73 gears. This giving you double more nights out with the family.

To answer your question about why did I not install 4:10 gears. I believe 4:10 gears are more for track use than daily driving use, although you can DD on 4:10's. I do not track my car. My opinion based upon research 3:73 gears are the perfect blend for DD or track purposes. Your MPG's are still excellent yet your performance is a kick in the teeth awesome compared to 2:73 gears. I think 3:73 gears are the perfect option for automatics as well. One can super or turbo charge and never a issue of 1st gear being short. Its a perfect blend of power and daily usefulness.
This sentence got my full attention . .
"Plus, you won't need to spend $ 380 dollars on a performance tuner because Ford can speed calibrate the 3:31 gears unlike 3:55 or 3:73 gears."
Just curious, but why can't Ford calibrate 3:55 or 3:73 gears?
__________________
2013 V6 Auto Premium | Sterling Gray | Pony/Comfort/Security Packages
Borla S-Type AB, Airaid CAI, SR Performance STB, JLT Oil Separator, MPT Tuned, MMD Classic Louvers, Roush Upper & Lower Grilles, BFGoodrich G-Force Sport Comp-2 A/S Tires, Koni STR.T Shocks & Struts, SR Performance Lowering Springs, J&M Stainless Steel Teflon Brake Lines, BMR LCAs w/Brackets, BMR Panhard Rod Support, Whiteline Adj. Panhard Bar, Ford Racing Differential Finned Cover Plate, Philips X-tremeVision LED Fog Lamps, JMS PedalMax
MustangDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 02:45 PM   #50
Admin

Supporter
Admin
 
bucko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Lake Mary
Region: Florida
Posts: 5,822
Quote:
Originally Posted by MustangDawg View Post
This sentence got my full attention . .
"Plus, you won't need to spend $ 380 dollars on a performance tuner because Ford can speed calibrate the 3:31 gears unlike 3:55 or 3:73 gears."
Just curious, but why can't Ford calibrate 3:55 or 3:73 gears?
I'll guess because Ford does not offer those gears as a factory order. Only 3:31 can (currently) be had as an option when you order the Mustang now.
__________________
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
bucko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 02:53 PM   #51
Registered Member
Regular
 
Midnight2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: So Cal
Region: California
Posts: 790
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucko View Post
I'll guess because Ford does not offer those gears as a factory order. Only 3:31 can (currently) be had as an option when you order the Mustang now.
Doesn't the Gt have 3:55 and 3:73 as an option? If so then what's the excuse? They have the same trans.
Midnight2012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 02:57 PM   #52
Admin

Supporter
Admin
 
bucko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Lake Mary
Region: Florida
Posts: 5,822
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight2012 View Post
Doesn't the Gt have 3:55 and 3:73 as an option? If so then what's the excuse? They have the same trans.
You are correct according to the 2014 options from the official Ford site. I stand corrected.

So, I'd have to assume that with these offered axle combinations (at least for the 2014 models), Ford is taking care of the speedo adjustments.
__________________
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
bucko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 03:00 PM   #53
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by MustangDawg View Post

This sentence got my full attention . .
"Plus, you won't need to spend $ 380 dollars on a performance tuner because Ford can speed calibrate the 3:31 gears unlike 3:55 or 3:73 gears."
Just curious, but why can't Ford calibrate 3:55 or 3:73 gears?
Because Ford does not offer 3:55 or 3:73 gears as an option for the v6 model. They only offer upgraded 3:31 gears.

---------- Post added at 04:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:58 PM ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight2012 View Post

Doesn't the Gt have 3:55 and 3:73 as an option? If so then what's the excuse? They have the same trans.
Ford offers the 3:55 and 3:73 gears on the GT Manuel models only. No idea why Ford doesn't offer it for the v6 models.
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 03:04 PM   #54
Registered Member
Regular
 
Midnight2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: So Cal
Region: California
Posts: 790
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

Because Ford does not offer 3:55 or 3:73 gears as an option for the v6 model. They only offer upgraded 3:31 gears.

---------- Post added at 04:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:58 PM ----------



Ford offers the 3:55 and 3:73 gears on the GT Manuel models only. No idea why Ford doesn't offer it for the v6 models.
I understand that. The post asks why can't they calibrate them. Maybe something to do with the driveshaft?
Midnight2012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 03:06 PM   #55
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight2012 View Post

I understand that. The post asks why can't they calibrate them. Maybe something to do with the driveshaft?
That one I have no idea on why they can't. Lol
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 03:18 PM   #56
Registered Member
Regular
 
Midnight2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: So Cal
Region: California
Posts: 790
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

That one I have no idea on why they can't. Lol
Ford is such a Mystery. lol
Midnight2012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 03:19 PM   #57
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight2012 View Post

Ford is such a Mystery. lol
It is goofy! Lol
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 03:58 PM   #58
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque
Region: New Mexico
Posts: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

It is goofy! Lol
It is. The tech told me (unofficiallly) the 2 pc shaft on the V6 is akin to the egr failures in the 6.0l...so they nerfed the top speed to prevent failures.
Six7One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 06:58 PM   #59
Registered Member
Regular
 
ArtU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NW Ohio
Region: Ohio
Posts: 1,067
Quote:
Originally Posted by Six7One View Post
It is. The tech told me (unofficiallly) the 2 pc shaft on the V6 is akin to the egr failures in the 6.0l...so they nerfed the top speed to prevent failures.
Hi Six7One, so there are more than the 2-3 documented V6 shaft failures now? Did your Ford tech get this from Ford insiders or the interwebs forums?

What about the more numerous GT 2 piece drive shaft failures happening? Did he have a comment about that? Those GT failures actually show up on SafeCar consumer sites and the V6 so far has not that I have seen. Most of the U-tub videos are the same 2 failures repeated or different angles of the same failure.

Art
ArtU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #60
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque
Region: New Mexico
Posts: 484
I don't know where he sourced the information. Only that it was acknowlegded. This was after I brought it up. Mostly I was teasing about the low speed limit.

It was also explained that I pay attention to clunk.

The egr reference has to do with how Ford declined to acknowledge the problem initially. I owned one. And listened to my diesel mechanic...so I had no issues. Thankfully it was an 05.
Six7One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 07:24 PM   #61
Evolution's Finest
Supporter
 
MustangDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lake Forest
Region: California
Posts: 726
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post
It is goofy! Lol
So who can calibrate the 3:55 and 3:73 gears when their installed?
__________________
2013 V6 Auto Premium | Sterling Gray | Pony/Comfort/Security Packages
Borla S-Type AB, Airaid CAI, SR Performance STB, JLT Oil Separator, MPT Tuned, MMD Classic Louvers, Roush Upper & Lower Grilles, BFGoodrich G-Force Sport Comp-2 A/S Tires, Koni STR.T Shocks & Struts, SR Performance Lowering Springs, J&M Stainless Steel Teflon Brake Lines, BMR LCAs w/Brackets, BMR Panhard Rod Support, Whiteline Adj. Panhard Bar, Ford Racing Differential Finned Cover Plate, Philips X-tremeVision LED Fog Lamps, JMS PedalMax
MustangDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 07:26 PM   #62
Registered Member
Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Albuquerque
Region: New Mexico
Posts: 484
Get a tuner if you go over 3.31. If I were doing 3.31 I would have gone to the dealer to have them installed.

More for CYA than anything else.
Six7One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 07:31 PM   #63
Evolution's Finest
Supporter
 
MustangDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Lake Forest
Region: California
Posts: 726
Quote:
Originally Posted by Six7One View Post
Get a tuner if you go over 3.31. If I were doing 3.31 I would have gone to the dealer to have them installed.

More for CYA than anything else.
Oh I'm planning on it and saving for it, just want to understand the different capabilities of the car. Certain combinations of mods can be very interesting. It's like putting a recipe for speed together.
__________________
2013 V6 Auto Premium | Sterling Gray | Pony/Comfort/Security Packages
Borla S-Type AB, Airaid CAI, SR Performance STB, JLT Oil Separator, MPT Tuned, MMD Classic Louvers, Roush Upper & Lower Grilles, BFGoodrich G-Force Sport Comp-2 A/S Tires, Koni STR.T Shocks & Struts, SR Performance Lowering Springs, J&M Stainless Steel Teflon Brake Lines, BMR LCAs w/Brackets, BMR Panhard Rod Support, Whiteline Adj. Panhard Bar, Ford Racing Differential Finned Cover Plate, Philips X-tremeVision LED Fog Lamps, JMS PedalMax
MustangDawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 07:45 PM   #64
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by MustangDawg View Post

So who can calibrate the 3:55 and 3:73 gears when their installed?
You will need to purchase a performance tuner , example Sct from American Muscle. I think its fair to say both the v6 and GT two piece driveshafts are a piece of garbage. I bet both are constructed using the same crappy material whether you have the GT or v6 model. They both are weak because its two pieces and its weaker in the middle.

I would guess there are more Gt driveshafts documented to breaking because there is no speed governor on it and people have a false sense of security because they are in a 5.0. Who would think a 420 HP sports car wouldn't have a great quality driveshaft.

Both driveshafts suck
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 08:24 PM   #65
Registered Member
Regular
 
RocknCali's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Oceanside
Region: California
Posts: 379
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

You will need to purchase a performance tuner , example Sct from American Muscle. I think its fair to say both the v6 and GT two piece driveshafts are a piece of garbage. I bet both are constructed using the same crappy material whether you have the GT or v6 model. They both are weak because its two pieces and its weaker in the middle.

I would guess there are more Gt driveshafts documented to breaking because there is no speed governor on it and people have a false sense of security because they are in a 5.0. Who would think a 420 HP sports car wouldn't have a great quality driveshaft.

Both driveshafts suck
The 5.0 drive shaft is much heavier duty than the v6 and the factory speed governor is set to like 145...
RocknCali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 11:04 PM   #66
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocknCali View Post

The 5.0 drive shaft is much heavier duty than the v6 and the factory speed governor is set to like 145...
You sir may be correct, so here is the real question then. Why is there more GT factory driveshafts breaking if its much heavier duty than the V6?
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 11:06 PM   #67
Registered Member
Regular
 
RocknCali's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Oceanside
Region: California
Posts: 379
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

You sir may be correct, so here is the real question then. Why is there more GT factory driveshafts breaking if its much heavier duty than the V6?
I have yet to see any conclusive evidence that the GT driveshaft is weaker and more likely to break than the v6 driveshaft.

And please don't reference youtube because I point you to a website that claims god is a giant flying spaghetti monster
RocknCali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 11:12 PM   #68
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocknCali View Post

I have yet to see any conclusive evidence that the GT driveshaft is weaker and more likely to break than the v6 driveshaft.

And please don't reference youtube because I point you to a website that claims god is a giant flying spaghetti monster
Lol. Not at all. I got me the one piece aluminum driveshaft from AM so its all good. Lol
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 11:22 PM   #69
Registered Member
Regular
 
RocknCali's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Oceanside
Region: California
Posts: 379
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2011 Kona Blue View Post

Lol. Not at all. I got me the one piece aluminum driveshaft from AM so its all good. Lol
Damn that's the one I want... wish I had 800 bones lying around
RocknCali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2013, 11:26 PM   #70
Registered Member
Regular
 
2011 Kona Blue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Region: Maryland
Posts: 7,653
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocknCali View Post

Damn that's the one I want... wish I had 800 bones lying around
I spend around 2,500k this year on mods. Lol
2011 Kona Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Mustang Evolution > 4 Cylinder | V6 | Classic Mustangs || Tech and Talk > 2011-2014 V6 Mustang

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


» Like Us On Facebook



10:44 AM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0

MustangEvolution.com is in no way associated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company.