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Old 09-11-2013, 12:17 PM   #1
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Clutch pedal sticking..

I just took a co-worker for a ride in my Mustang and decided to show him what it has. I launched the car at 3300 rpm, got a slight bit of wheel spin and off we went. I hit second gear just fine, went for third and got a grinding noise, I looked at my clutch pedal and it was about 3 inches off the floor (never returned). I pulled the pedal back to where it should be with my foot and aborted the run.

So I tried again, this time, launching the car went smooth, went for second gear, again the clutch pedal is basically on the floor. So I canceled the run again. After the second time, I decided to see wtf is wrong with my car as it just turned over 1,000 miles. All seems normal when not driving the car aggressively.

I came across a similar issue with the 11 - 12 GT's ( supposedly fixed for 13 -14 ) but have not seen anything for the V6.

Anyone have this issue on a 13+ V6 or know if removing the assist spring will remedy this as it sorta seems to on the 11 - 12 GT's?

Also, the engagement point on this clutch is more random (sometimes all the way to the floor, other times 1 inch from being all the way out, sometimes in between) than my Spec stg 3 in my Z28 which seems odd for an OEM clutch.
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That's not normal at all. See your dealer.
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warranty the b*tch
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Car is at the dealer now..
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Just picked the car up as there were no issues and the car was functioning normally.

So I told the mechanic that I would be back shortly. I went out, launched the car, hit 3rd gear and the clutch pedal again stuck halfway to the floor. I turned around, took the car back and told them, it did it again. The mechanic got in the car, I took him for a ride, same thing happened again, clutch pedal about halfway to the floor. All shifts were done just before the rev limiter. He said they didn't shift the car as agressively as I did, which could explain why they were unable to replicate the issue. He asked how I fix the issue, I showed him that I put my foot under the clutch pedal and lift it back up. He asked me to run the car again, so I did, this time he just told me to try to shift normally after the clutch had not returned, so I did and it still functioned except the clutch pedal required hardly any force to push it down. So we returned to the dealership.

He looks up issues on the '14 3.7 and 5.0 and found no issues with the clutch/transmission except shifting issues while cold.

So I had him look up the issues with the '11 - '12 Mustangs and the "Clutch Stayout" problems. There was a revised spring for the clutch pedal assembly that was supposed to fix the issue.

He is ordering a replacement spring for the clutch pedal to see if that will resolve my issue.

He also mentioned that if Ford investigated this issue and wanted to avoid a warranty payout that they could consider how I drove as "abuse" and then I would have to pay for any issues after that as the "abuse" clause would void my warranty for the entire car. Even though I have only driven the car agressively a handful of times (car just turned over 1200 miles btw). He also mentioned that if this issue does not affect driveability or cause a safety issue that Ford would likely not pay for warranty work.

So, hopefully this spring fixes the issue, otherwise it looks like I will be stuck with a car that is defective.

Here is the link to the MT82 issues that I found. All seem to have been "fixed" in the 13 - 14 models.

Ford responds to NHTSA’s investigation of the Mustang’s MT82 6-speed transmission | Mustangs Daily
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If you are not bouncing off the limiter, it is not abuse. You are driving it aggressively. That is not abuse.

Sounds like that guy was setting a precedent based off of their opinion of your driving. Be cognizant of the notes they put in for the car.

I already don't like them. But that's just me.
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Start building a lemon law case right away.
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[/COLOR]If you have another ford dealer close by talk to them about it! I do not use the same dealer from where I bought my car. Sounds like you might have one of those ****ty dealers! The car is new they should fix it no questions asked period! Tell them it WILL affect drivability after you drive it through their show room window! Lol
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I don't think this dealership is trying to screw me over on this. He was just saying that if the car continues to be brought in for this issue, that Ford could choose to investigate it and claim that the car has been abused because I have hit the speed limiter and the rev limiter or something of that nature. Ford could basically nit pick the car and say it's been abused so Ford doesn't have to either pay to fix the car or pay to buy the car back.

I personally know the owner of the dealership and have raced with him a few times (autocross and a few track days) so I don't think he would be out to stick it to me. Especially since they are a very small dealership and operate in a small town (less than 4,000 people). Word of mouth is what his dealership thrives on and I simply can't see the owner of the dealership try to screw me or anyone over.

My guess and the mechanics as well is that the issue might be related to a faulty spring in the clutch pedal assembly. If we switch it out and the problem persists then I will definately be pursuing replacing the hydraulics on the clutch and pressure plate. If that doesn't work then Ford will be buying back the car or replacing the car if it escalates to that.
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I don't think this dealership is trying to screw me over on this. He was just saying that if the car continues to be brought in for this issue, that Ford could choose to investigate it and claim that the car has been abused because I have hit the speed limiter and the rev limiter or something of that nature. Ford could basically nit pick the car and say it's been abused so Ford doesn't have to either pay to fix the car or pay to buy the car back.

I personally know the owner of the dealership and have raced with him a few times (autocross and a few track days) so I don't think he would be out to stick it to me. Especially since they are a very small dealership and operate in a small town (less than 4,000 people). Word of mouth is what his dealership thrives on and I simply can't see the owner of the dealership try to screw me or anyone over.

My guess and the mechanics as well is that the issue might be related to a faulty spring in the clutch pedal assembly. If we switch it out and the problem persists then I will definately be pursuing replacing the hydraulics on the clutch and pressure plate. If that doesn't work then Ford will be buying back the car or replacing the car if it escalates to that.
Glad to hear you have a plan of action just in case. I hope it's just the clutch spring.
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Glad to hear you have a plan of action just in case. I hope it's just the clutch spring.
You have no idea how much I hope it's just a simple stupid spring. My experience however, tells me it's likely a bit more than that.
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You have no idea how much I hope it's just a simple stupid spring. My experience however, tells me it's likely a bit more than that.
It sounds like that's all it is.(fingers crossed) I bought a 13 and in the first month I had to have the lower control arms replaced that was supposed to be corrected for that model year.
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Glad you trust the dealership. For me I prefer to hear about potential solutions. That early into an initial review, especially after not finding the problem and I become skeptical of the dealers commitment to a solution.

Hopefully it's nice and simple.
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I made a post in the GT section that fixed that issue. Also add a Clutch line upgrade
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:34 AM   #15
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Well, after taking the car to several Ford dealerships, my issue is still unresolved.

This is after the helper spring from the clutch assembly was removed.

Here is a video to help understand what the problem is, seems that the cooler temperatures have helped the issue as it generally comes up about halfway now, when before, it will literally stay on the floor.

2014 Mustang Clutch Pedal Fail - YouTube
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Well, after taking the car to several Ford dealerships, my issue is still unresolved.

This is after the helper spring from the clutch assembly was removed.

Here is a video to help understand what the problem is, seems that the cooler temperatures have helped the issue as it generally comes up about halfway now, when before, it will literally stay on the floor.

2014 Mustang Clutch Pedal Fail - YouTube
R they not willing to drop the tranny and remove the clutch to get a better look? I would call ford USA/Canada about the issue and explain to them the problem. Your video clearly shows there is some sort of problem with the hydraulic/clutch that they cannot deny! Keep us posted and good luck.
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So I gotta ask, was your co-worker impressed with "what it has"?

I've too been embarressed when trying to impress a friend with a vehicle I've owned, so your not alone.
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So I gotta ask, was your co-worker impressed with "what it has"?

I've too been embarressed when trying to impress a friend with a vehicle I've owned, so your not alone.
I was never trying to impress anyone. We took my car to a job site and were leaving and he asked when I was going to show him what it had. He said something like, "damn impressive for a V6 Mustang, still nothing compared to your Camaro."

Of the few people that have been in my car, most think it's actually a V8 and are generally very impressed when it spins going into 3rd at 80, enough that traction control comes on (if I leave it on). Their face when I say, "not bad for a V6" is priceless.



As for the issue, I think I might try draining and replacing the fluid to see if that will help. As the cooler weather seems to have improved the issue.
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I was never trying to impress anyone. We took my car to a job site and were leaving and he asked when I was going to show him what it had. He said something like, "damn impressive for a V6 Mustang, still nothing compared to your Camaro."

Of the few people that have been in my car, most think it's actually a V8 and are generally very impressed when it spins going into 3rd at 80, enough that traction control comes on (if I leave it on). Their face when I say, "not bad for a V6" is priceless.

As for the issue, I think I might try draining and replacing the fluid to see if that will help. As the cooler weather seems to have improved the issue.
I replaced the duel clutch trans fluid for Royal Purple syncromax and works very well.
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Update

Literally just got off the phone with a Ford Engineer about my issue.

He said that it's not published yet as they are still finalizing things, but that they are aware of some late '13 and '14 models (February 2013 build dates and newer) having this issue. He said that in January or February they will be releasing an updated clutch design with stiffer springs and a different clutch material and a revision to the clutch pedal assembly that will completely resolve the clutch pedal stay-out issue. This fix will apply to both V6 and V8 models from all model years.

Also, since I had him on the phone, I told him the transmission was grinding a bit now that it is cold out. He said again, it was a known issue and that they are currently sending out a new additive to address this issue. I asked him if this was at all related to the 11-12 cold shift TSB, he said it was basically an update to that. He also said this affects all MT82 transmissions and it will be the fluid used in all production cars going forward.

So no TSB yet, but they are working on it and it is coming.
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Same issue..

I was trying to simply PM you but o just signed up to the site and haven't figured everything out.

I'm having exactly the same issue in my 13 GT right now. Unfortunately, I've found your thread now that I'm a few hundred miles outside of warranty and am getting the run around from the stealerships.

What was your outcome? Do you have the recall number for this issue?
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No worries. I got your PM. Ford refused to acknowledge any issues with the car so I ended up selling the car because it was a complete pile of crap. The dealership tried bleeding the brakes and clutch but it barely made any difference. I will reply back with details shortly.
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I had a nice long response typed out and went to submit it and got a database error... So here is basically the key points.

I was never able to get the clutch pedal issue resolved. From what I have read, replacing the hydraulic fluid, getting a stainless line and sometimes replacing the master cylinder will usually resolve the issues. Also, some people have reported getting a 13/14 GT500 clutch pedal assembly and fixing the issue.

In my case, I was told by Ford that if I changed the hydraulic fluid, they would void my warranty. Since the issue started with my car having around 1,000 miles on the odometer, the warranty was something that I wanted to keep.

I ended up selling my car because it was a massive piece of junk. You can read more about the issues I had and the issues that Ford refused to resolve here - Sold my 2014
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Man....I really enjoy my car so I may be over looking some of this. But I've had a few of the same issues. The radio was hazed when I bought it unfortunately. This deal with the clutch is bothering me, but not enough to dump the car especially being paid off. The loud clunk in the rear? That took me months to solve. That came about after a service, sounded like there was a toddler under my car beating my axle randomly with a mallet. Turns out it's the pan hard bar and the only way to find it is to have a friend shake the car back and forth while you grab every part in the rear suspension and shake it. If that thing isn't to it's torque spec (somewhere over 100 lbs.) Itll make an awful racket. Happily enough I had the same issue again after another service and then also a friend had it, all you can do is sigh, grab your torque torque wrench and go double check everything those stealership's chimp ofa mechanic touched.[COLOR="Silver"]
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