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Old 10-29-2013, 08:03 AM   #1
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If i put an airaid CAI and an 89 performance tune what are the hp and tq gains i can expect?
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If i put an airaid CAI and an 89 performance tune what are the hp and tq gains i can expect?
The CAI won't do much in terms if performance, it's mostly for the mini turbo sound and the looks, however with the performance tube your looking at 15-18 hp and 12-15 tq I believe
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If i put an airaid CAI and an 89 performance tune what are the hp and tq gains i can expect?
The intake won't do much maybe 5 hp, but I love the sound of mine. As far as the tune goes, it's awesome, I love my tune, I'm running a 93 race. I'd recommend the race over the performance I like it so much better.
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The CAI won't do much in terms if performance, it's mostly for the mini turbo sound and the looks, however with the performance tube your looking at 15-18 hp and 12-15 tq I believe
Will a different 89 tune give a lot more hp and tq? I was looking at definitely doing an 89 tune and either going street or performance..
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I would contact Bama and ask them. They should be able to tell you what to expect. Without a dyno before/after on your car, you will never know exactly what the gain is.
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Tough to say without a dyno sheet. There have been posts before that "guesstimate" gains, but the dyno run would be your best bet.
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If you get a CAI that requires a tune, the gains are noticeable. I never regretted it. I think STEEDA CAI's are the best though but that is just my opinion, no jabs at you airaid peeps.
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If i put an airaid CAI and an 89 performance tune what are the hp and tq gains i can expect?
You're going to notice some pretty significant gains from a CAI and Bama custom tune. We've seen around 25RWHP and 25 RWTQ on 93 Octane Race tunes on the 11+ V6's with just a CAI. I'm confident that you'd pick up within a few horsepower of that with an 89 octane performance tune, obviously a little less because 93 is a higher octane so we can make it a bit more aggressive.

You'll also notice gains in acceleration, drive ability, gas mileage, throttle response, shift points (if auto) and much more! A CAI isn't going to net you huge horsepower gains, but it's definitely a good platform. If you ever decide to do an intake manifold or throttle body, it will really come to life. The added looks and engine noise you get from a CAI is worth it alone IMO.

Feel free to hit the Bama team and they'll be able to answer any questions you may have! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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Run the quarter mile before and after mods. Then you will see how you wasted your money. Internet claims and U tube foolery abound. Gears are what the V6 needs. It's torque challenged and that it the cure. Lower control arms for wheel hop and better tires. All this engine add on crap is for that feel good BS the internet sells. None of it helps down low torque where you need it most. Notice the top speed on your runs. That's your Horsepower indicator. So after all these mods how much faster are you running? My 12 manual runs 102 with 3.55 gears on stock tires. No engine mods.
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Run the quarter mile before and after mods. Then you will see how you wasted your money. Internet claims and U tube foolery abound. Gears are what the V6 needs. It's torque challenged and that it the cure. Lower control arms for wheel hop and better tires. All this engine add on crap is for that feel good BS the internet sells. None of it helps down low torque where you need it most. Notice the top speed on your runs. That's your Horsepower indicator. So after all these mods how much faster are you running? My 12 manual runs 102 with 3.55 gears on stock tires. No engine mods.
You have no clue what your talking about. I have went to the track before and after "useless exhaust mods" and ran times that were better than before the "useless exhaust mods" stop bashing something you have no clue over
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You have no clue what your talking about. I have went to the track before and after "useless exhaust mods" and ran times that were better than before the "useless exhaust mods" stop bashing something you have no clue over
+1 I do think that some bolt ons are expensive but they aren't useless.
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Not only that but the fastest v6 mustangs runs mid 12s and traps 109 mph ONLY because of his bolt ons. With 3.73 gears and a tune you'd be very lucky to see low 13's@102 mph
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Not only that but the fastest v6 mustangs runs mid 12s and traps 109 mph ONLY because of his bolt ons. With 3.73 gears and a tune you'd be very lucky to see low 13's@102 mph
Older guy at Irwindale last time I went had 3.73 and a 93 tune. Ran 8.8s. Your running that with your 3.31s + bolt ons at Irwindale. I'll be shooting or those Times next time I go.
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Older guy at Irwindale last time I went had 3.73 and a 93 tune. Ran 8.8s. Your running that with your 3.31s + bolt ons at Irwindale. I'll be shooting or those Times next time I go.
Actually, my best time before the shorty headers/Catless mid pipe with 1400 DA, shifting at 7500 rpm, and less than a 1/4 tank of gas was a 8.8@81.68 mph. With 3.31 gears a 91 tune and Borla axlebacks. How did the older guy have a 93 tune for California gas which is 91? Did he mix race gas into his tank?

With my shorty headers in 3500 DA when it was 110 degrees on the track with over half a tank of gas and my 110lb girlfriend in the car I ran a 9.05@80.8 mph. In similar conditions to when I ran my best time I would have definitely been under 8.8 and over 82 mph with just the shorty headers.

I'm shooting for 8.5@83+ mph now with my headers/midpipe.
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Actually, my best time before the shorty headers/Catless mid pipe with 1400 DA, shifting at 7500 rpm, and less than a 1/4 tank of gas was a 8.8@81.68 mph. With 3.31 gears a 91 tune and Borla axlebacks. How did the older guy have a 93 tune for California gas which is 91? Did he mix race gas into his tank? With my shorty headers in 3500 DA when it was 110 degrees on the track with over half a tank of gas and my 110lb girlfriend in the car I ran a 9.05@80.8 mph. In similar conditions to when I ran my best time I would have definitely been under 8.8 and over 82 mph with just the shorty headers. I'm shooting for 8.5@83+ mph now with my headers/midpipe.
He added octane to it to reach the level of 93. Forgot what it was called.
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I gotta keep remembering that these times are 1/8 mile runs....I was wondering how a 3.7 could run a 1/4 mile in only 8.8!!!
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So 82 in the 1/8th is what your getting? And that cost you how much? All these V6 mustangs lay down big time after the 1/8th. No HP to pull the top end. It is what it is. A very small 227 inch engine that has no torque. In fact if you don't launch above 3500 your wasted. With stock tires! Honestly, a 75HP shot and your big $$$ ahead of this add on's deal. It's your $ have fun.
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So 82 in the 1/8th is what your getting? And that cost you how much? All these V6 mustangs lay down big time after the 1/8th. No HP to pull the top end. It is what it is. A very small 227 inch engine that has no torque. In fact if you don't launch above 3500 your wasted. With stock tires! Honestly, a 75HP shot and your big $$$ ahead of this add on's deal. It's your $ have fun.
8.8@ 82 mph in the 1/8th with just an intake and a tune. Automatic. Launching at 1800 rpm. So in fact... I was running ok even without launching at 3500 rpm . Lol.

With my "useless exhaust mods" I think I will easily run under 8.8 if I can get my 60" down which was a 2.1 on my 8.8 run. If I can get the 60" into 1.9 range with better track prep I should easily run under 8.6@83+ mph in 1400 da like last time I ran my best time.

120 for the intake and 180 for the tune with the tuner. So just about 300 dollars. Lol.

Be smart. Buy mods used. They're usually more than half off and work perfectly fine.They don't hold value and a used tuner does the exact same thing as a new one. A slightly used CAI does exact same thing as a new one.

So, with 300 dollars In mods my 1/8th time dropped from a 9.2-9.4@78 mph to my 8.8@82 mph. Id say that's worth it.
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A tune and cai took .4 to .5 tents off my 0 to 60 times.
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In order to gain HP you have to burn more fuel or remove a serious restriction that in this case doesn't exist. Ford engineers did not intentionally leave anything out. If you see any gain in HP it will be in the top speed at the track. Anything other than that is internet crap.
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In order to gain HP you have to burn more fuel or remove a serious restriction that in this case doesn't exist. Ford engineers did not intentionally leave anything out. If you see any gain in HP it will be in the top speed at the track. Anything other than that is internet crap.
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I gotta keep remembering that these times are 1/8 mile runs....I was wondering how a 3.7 could run a 1/4 mile in only 8.8!!!
Jaja me too, I was like whhaattt,,, should've bought a 3.7
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In order to gain HP you have to burn more fuel or remove a serious restriction that in this case doesn't exist. Ford engineers did not intentionally leave anything out. If you see any gain in HP it will be in the top speed at the track. Anything other than that is internet crap.
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In order to gain HP you have to burn more fuel or remove a serious restriction that in this case doesn't exist. Ford engineers did not intentionally leave anything out. If you see any gain in HP it will be in the top speed at the track. Anything other than that is internet crap.
So going from a 78 mph trap speed to an 82 mph trap speed... What is that? Is that not a gain in top speed at the track? Because that's what happened to my car from just a tune and intake.
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Your "tune" changed the on time of the injectors and adjusted the engine timing. More fuel and advance. Your engine did not exceed the airflow limits of the stock intake filter or tube. It is sized for your engine displacement and RPM capability. My car runs better on a cool 60 degree day because the computer senses the ambient air temp, increases the fuel and adjusts timing. More power. In fact, the stock PCM will sense premium fuel and increase timing automatically. For a V6 Mustang with an automatic I'd install a 75 shot of nitrous. I would not go bigger than that with a stock motor.
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Your "tune" changed the on time of the injectors and adjusted the engine timing. More fuel and advance. Your engine did not exceed the airflow limits of the stock intake filter or tube. It is sized for your engine displacement and RPM capability. My car runs better on a cool 60 degree day because the computer senses the ambient air temp, increases the fuel and adjusts timing. More power. In fact, the stock PCM will sense premium fuel and increase timing automatically. For a V6 Mustang with an automatic I'd install a 75 shot of nitrous. I would not go bigger than that with a stock motor.
My tune gave more fuel because it needed more fuel from the intake sucking in more air than the stock one. The engine was running close to lean with the intake on and the stock tune. That is where the "power increase" comes from with an aftermarket cai without a tune.

The stock intake has bends in the tube, carbon traps, emissions standards to adhere to, the sound baffle, and baffles and bends in the intake tube. There are countless restrictions in it. It is the nature of a stock part that has to pass many tests by the government agencies that mandate these tests.

An aftermarket intake, and with that many aftermarket parts, DO NOT get tested and therefore don't have to worry about all these other variables. They worry about one thing. Performance. You can choose to Ignore modding your car. Ok that's fine. You can think that It won't do anything. You can even ignore straight up facts like track times. But Don't go around spreading straight up misinformation.

The fastest stick 3.7 ran a 13.03@106.8 mph with a tune,intake, and axlebacks with 3.73 gears and drag radials with a great driver (z28this is his name). He than added "useless exhaust mods and other useless bolt ons" like ported intake manifolds and full length exhaust headers and ran a 12.6@109 mph. IIRC I don't remember his exact best time. Clearly bolt ons make a difference in trap speed and trap mph. These times are da corrected. You can choose to believe whatever you want though.
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Run the quarter mile before and after mods. Then you will see how you wasted your money. Internet claims and U tube foolery abound. Gears are what the V6 needs. It's torque challenged and that it the cure. Lower control arms for wheel hop and better tires. All this engine add on crap is for that feel good BS the internet sells. None of it helps down low torque where you need it most. Notice the top speed on your runs. That's your Horsepower indicator. So after all these mods how much faster are you running? My 12 manual runs 102 with 3.55 gears on stock tires. No engine mods.
Lmao! Gears are awesome for tq, that's no secret, LCA and tires are good also. "Feel good bs"...."YouTube foolerly"... Lmao! Do you even see how ridiculous you sound???? I smell a troll. Lol
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Funny none of these low 13 high 12 guys have ever appeared at the track. Do you have any idea what HP/Torque it takes to run those numbers? Our 11 GT auto go's 12.90@109 all stock. Over 400HP on a perfect day. You can get this with add ons? I won't call you names or embarrass you. It's your money, have fun.
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Funny none of these low 13 high 12 guys have ever appeared at the track. Do you have any idea what HP/Torque it takes to run those numbers? Our 11 GT auto go's 12.90@109 all stock. Over 400HP on a perfect day. You can get this with add ons? I won't call you names or embarrass you. It's your money, have fun.
LOL they haven't appeared at your track so they don't exist huh? All three cars in this video, the black, grey, and red one are all n/a v6 with full bolt ons running between 12.6-12.9@ 107-109.

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LOL they haven't appeared at your track so they don't exist huh? All three cars in this video, the black, grey, and red one are all n/a v6 with full bolt ons running between 12.6-12.9@ 107-109.
Some people can't except being proven wrong lol
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Some people can't except being proven wrong lol
+1, I'm interested to see what black12 posts next after watching the video.......maybe it will be the "YouTube foolery" or "internet bs" or something new like "that's PlayStation 4 gameplay" lmao!
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These 3.7's don't need much to get going, my best is a 13.21 at 106.5.
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These 3.7's don't need much to get going, my best is a 13.21 at 106.5.
That's a great time! I was trapping 81.7 mph in the 1/8th as well. Seems like my car definitely has low 13's in it based off your time slip.
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