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Old 11-04-2013, 06:25 PM   #1
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1250 rWHP mustang for 50K?

Hey ya'all. So I have a new 2014 v6 and I love this car every bit. Like every other power enthusiast, I wanted to turbo/supercharge mine. Spoke to roush performance specialist at my dealership about the price if I've to go with forced induction route - with a forget engine. Here's the breakdown he gave me:

- $8000ish for procharger/Helion turbo installed
- $2000 for forged parts + another 800-1000 for installation

- new aluminum block (idk the price but I'm guessing another 1500 including labor)

Total: about $12,500


As we were in the middle of our discussion, this is what came in my mind. I asked him what if I buy a factory order GT, do an aluminator crate engine swap (new is about 7500-8000 with forged internals) by trading in this brand new 5.0 stock engine. He said YES that could be possible but he would have to talk with big bosses and that we could work up a deal. It all have to depend where stock 5.0 would go -as in if they could use in their performance division in some other car and then all I'd have to pay is the difference of the price which is about 2000 if you factor in their profit as well, and labor.

So a brand new GT with tad bit of interior accessories: 38000 give or take
-engine swap price difference plus labor: 2500
- twin turbo setup plus labor: 10,000

I've seen people making 1249 rwhp on twin turbo setup with built engine (Google it).

So for a total of what 50k i guess you can have a beastly mustang! Throw in another 2 grand for suspension and handling upgrade, you my friend have got double the HP of a gt500 and for the same/lower price tag.

Thought I should share my craziness with you peeps lol
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If only it worked like that...
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Are you referring to engine swap? Well even if you can sell of your engine and get an aluminator or get the stock 5.0 forged, I don't think you'd be paying more than 3000 grand outa your pocket in my opinion.

It should hold up good for 20-25lbs of boost, and the rest is just turbo set up.
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You could get that much power for far less. Just buy a Terminator, build the engine and twin turbo it. 1300 horsepower right there. Will probably save you 20k
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Hey ya'all. So I have a new 2014 v6 and I love this car every bit. Like every other power enthusiast, I wanted to turbo/supercharge mine. Spoke to roush performance specialist at my dealership about the price if I've to go with forced induction route - with a forget engine. Here's the breakdown he gave me: - $8000ish for procharger/Helion turbo installed - $2000 for forged parts + another 800-1000 for installation - new aluminum block (idk the price but I'm guessing another 1500 including labor) Total: about $12,500 As we were in the middle of our discussion, this is what came in my mind. I asked him what if I buy a factory order GT, do an aluminator crate engine swap (new is about 7500-8000 with forged internals) by trading in this brand new 5.0 stock engine. He said YES that could be possible but he would have to talk with big bosses and that we could work up a deal. It all have to depend where stock 5.0 would go -as in if they could use in their performance division in some other car and then all I'd have to pay is the difference of the price which is about 2000 if you factor in their profit as well, and labor. So a brand new GT with tad bit of interior accessories: 38000 give or take -engine swap price difference plus labor: 2500 - twin turbo setup plus labor: 10,000 I've seen people making 1249 rwhp on twin turbo setup with built engine (Google it). So for a total of what 50k i guess you can have a beastly mustang! Throw in another 2 grand for suspension and handling upgrade, you my friend have got double the HP of a gt500 and for the same/lower price tag. Thought I should share my craziness with you peeps lol
Well if it worked like that... I would have been 8K short of a 1250 rwhp GT.
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Well if it worked like that... I would have been 8K short of a 1250 rwhp GT.
Mmm well, I'm a noob. Would you like to throw some light as to why it wouldn't work?
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Mmm well, I'm a noob. Would you like to throw some light as to why it wouldn't work?
I was just saying that I would have been 8K shy if I would have known about that. But I think it will take more than 2K in upgrades to suspension and handling,etc, to handle 1250 rwhp
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I was just saying that I would have been 8K shy if I would have known about that. But I think it will take more than 2K in upgrades to suspension and handling,etc, to handle 1250 rwhp
Oh sorry I read it completely wrong. Mine is just a basic estimate of how much would it be for. I used 38000 for a factory GT with interior upgrades (leather seats, nice looking dash and gauge cluster) - so if this could be bought in for less, I guess a 1250 HP mustang would still end up with (including suspension and handling mods) roughly close to 52K.

I'm going to buy loto max in hopes of hitting their Friday jackpot lol
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Are you referring to engine swap? Well even if you can sell of your engine and get an aluminator or get the stock 5.0 forged, I don't think you'd be paying more than 3000 grand outa your pocket in my opinion.

It should hold up good for 20-25lbs of boost, and the rest is just turbo set up.
Transmission? Fuel setup? Rear end?
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Transmission? Fuel setup? Rear end?
Ah! I'm no encyclopedia but I guess another 3 grand for these upgrades?
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Ah! I'm no encyclopedia but I guess another 3 grand for these upgrades?
Try $10k
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Transmission? Fuel setup? Rear end?
These where the first things that came to mind as well. Add suspension and DR's to put all that to the ground instead of up in smoke.
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Try $10k
Even for the price of Shelby if I'm getting double the hp and torque, I'd setlle with that after ive saved up enough money in next couple years lol.
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Even for the price of Shelby if I'm getting double the hp and torque, I'd setlle with that after ive saved up enough money in next couple years lol.
That's because half of the price of a Shelby is the name.
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That's because half of the price of a Shelby is the name.
So true.
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That's because half of the price of a Shelby is the name.
+1! This guy at my dealership was telling me that you have to pay chunks of money over the ticket price to buy one. He was like it be hard to find a newby for under 65 as they're going for easy 75-80K..just because someone is willing to pay that much money.
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Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?
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Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?
Neah bro speed isn't what I'm looking for. I don't think one could go over 120 mph even on a hwy and where i live, we don't have places to really test the limits out. For me its about the power and 'throttle response/torque' under my seat..as in how fast you can go from a dead stop.

I saw couple videos of a ford GT under WOT and man that was music to my ears n eyes!
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Neah bro speed isn't what I'm looking for. I don't think one could go over 120 mph even on a hwy and where i live, we don't have places to really test the limits out. For me its about the power and 'throttle response/torque' under my seat..as in how fast you can go from a dead stop. I saw couple videos of a ford GT under WOT and man that was music to my ears n eyes!
The same adage applies to acceleration.
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Neah bro speed isn't what I'm looking for. I don't think one could go over 120 mph even on a hwy and where i live, we don't have places to really test the limits out. For me its about the power and 'throttle response/torque' under my seat..as in how fast you can go from a dead stop.

I saw couple videos of a ford GT under WOT and man that was music to my ears n eyes!
If you don't want to go fast then why do you want that much horsepower?
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Well, 'top speed' is not on top of the list for me but torque/throttle response is. Winning a race, having most powerful car in town and smoking so called European super cars owned by wealthy ricers is what I'm after, sir.
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Well, 'top speed' is not on top of the list for me but torque/throttle response is. Winning a race, having most powerful car in town and smoking so called European super cars owned by wealthy ricers is what I'm after, sir.
^ me too
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If you want Torque get something with a high displacement. My friend has a Pontiac 455 in his '69 Firebird and it makes around 250 horsepower, but 550+ ft-lbs of torque to the wheels, all motor.
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Voila, that's music! But would that engine fit inside a mustang without too much fiddling around with the compartment and ecu? Might get a bit too $$ in my opinion.
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If you want Torque get something with a high displacement. My friend has a Pontiac 455 in his '69 Firebird and it makes around 250 horsepower, but 550+ ft-lbs of torque to the wheels, all motor.
anyone know if a Chevelle 454 would fit...
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anyone know if a Chevelle 454 would fit...
A Pontiac 455 and Chevy 454 are almost the same motor. Both GM engines.
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A Pontiac 455 and Chevy 454 are almost the same motor. Both GM engines.
ok, I knew they were GM's.

The Chevy 454 was the most powerful engine at the time.
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ok, I knew they were GM's.

The Chevy 454 was the most powerful engine at the time.
Depends on what you classify "powerful" as. Pontiac engines were known to put out more torque during that time.
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You may want to look at a a Tesla Roadster if your main goal is torque & throttle response.
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You may want to look at a a Tesla Roadster if your main goal is torque & throttle response.
heck no... I'll stick with my GT before most other cars... Unless someone has a Hennessey Venom they don't want...
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ok, I knew they were GM's.

The Chevy 454 was the most powerful engine at the time.
The 426 Hemi was the most powerful stock engine from the muscle car era.

Here is a link to a 70 Chevelle LS6 454 - Chevrolet Muscle Car Dyno Wars - 1970 LS6 Chevelle - Super Chevy Magazine

It put down 283rwhp @ 5600 rpm and 320rwtq @ 3900 rpm. That's a bit off from the 450hp and 500ft lbs GM claimed the car made.
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A Pontiac 455 and Chevy 454 are almost the same motor. Both GM engines.
Um no different bore and stroke ..different block heads intake etc ..but the same build philosophy
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😃. For the torque & throttle response?
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Well, 'top speed' is not on top of the list for me but torque/throttle response is. Winning a race, having most powerful car in town and smoking so called European super cars owned by wealthy ricers is what I'm after, sir.
"So called" European supercars will still shred a heavily modified mustang GT, even with 1200 hp. Maybe not on like a 1 mile drag, but any bit of road/track with any slight curve, that thing will be a turd.
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