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Old 11-20-2013, 10:44 AM   #1
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MPG With Tune and CAI

Hey guys. Quick question. How are you guys still getting 22mpg in the city and 30mpg on the highway with your tunes and CAI? I have a 91 octane street tune with a STEEDA CAI and I'm getting 14.4 mpg. That is exactly what I was getting when I was on my hybrid tune. I chose to upload the street tune to save a little money on gas. I don't even drive it crazy. Normal acceleration and still getting horrible gas mileage. I've read about a few of you guys who had CAI and Bama tunes getting 22mpg. Some of you have more mods than I do and yet get better mpg. What's the secret?
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On my 06 V6 I got better MPG when I got a CAI, dual exhaust, and tune. Now on my GT, tuning it made my MPG worse. I don't get it either.
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On my 06 V6 I got better MPG when I got a CAI, dual exhaust, and tune. Now on my GT, tuning it made my MPG worse. I don't get it either.
Exactly. I dont know what's going on. It's frustrating. I might have to call BAMA and ask.
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Hey guys. Quick question. How are you guys still getting 22mpg in the city and 30mpg on the highway with your tunes and CAI? I have a 91 octane street tune with a STEEDA CAI and I'm getting 14.4 mpg. That is exactly what I was getting when I was on my hybrid tune. I chose to upload the street tune to save a little money on gas. I don't even drive it crazy. Normal acceleration and still getting horrible gas mileage. I've read about a few of you guys who had CAI and Bama tunes getting 22mpg. Some of you have more mods than I do and yet get better mpg. What's the secret?
Hmm.. that does seem extremely low! I get 18.6 city MPG in my full bolt on 2011 GT with a Bama custom tune. I picked up 2 MPG from the tune!

How many miles are on your car? Could it be time for a tune up? Spark plugs, Wires etc.. Could it possibly be a bad tank of gas? I'm also a bit confused on how you're only seeing 14.4 MPG. Was this calculated by hand or the on board computer? It's pretty common for the on board computer to be way off..

Give the Bama team a call and they'll gladly help you out! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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Hmm.. that does seem extremely low! I get 18.6 city MPG in my full bolt on 2011 GT with a Bama custom tune. I picked up 2 MPG from the tune! How many miles are on your car? Could it be time for a tune up? Spark plugs, Wires etc.. Could it possibly be a bad tank of gas? I'm also a bit confused on how you're only seeing 14.4 MPG. Was this calculated by hand or the on board computer? It's pretty common for the on board computer to be way off.. Give the Bama team a call and they'll gladly help you out! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away! -Dan
Hey Dan, my mustang has 59,786 miles. I'm going off by the on board computer. Do you think it is time for a tune up?
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Hey guys. Quick question. How are you guys still getting 22mpg in the city and 30mpg on the highway with your tunes and CAI? I have a 91 octane street tune with a STEEDA CAI and I'm getting 14.4 mpg. That is exactly what I was getting when I was on my hybrid tune. I chose to upload the street tune to save a little money on gas. I don't even drive it crazy. Normal acceleration and still getting horrible gas mileage. I've read about a few of you guys who had CAI and Bama tunes getting 22mpg. Some of you have more mods than I do and yet get better mpg. What's the secret?
I'm in the same boat as you are.. I have a 13 v6 auto with 14k miles and i get a whomping 14-16mpg city..Only engine mods are shorty headers, which doesnt effect mpg? Then again where i live there is a light about every 200 feet..so i have alot of stop and go commuting..So that what i believe is killing my milage. If you have alot of stop and go driving where you live that could be your problem.
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I can get 22mpg in city driving on the computer board if I never have fun with the car and drive it like a eco commuter. If I drive it and enjoy it it can go down to 18-19 easy. 14 seems way off, do a pump test math and see if its still just as bad? I assume no codes are being tossed in your computer showing something wrong?

At 50K+ have you ever used Chevron Techron injector cleaner yet? It is about the only injector cleaner that actually works with results you can see. About $6-8 at wally world, $14 at a parts store. They have a lower cost one, get the higher cost one and try it.

Edit just what is left now adays in a tune up? The cars tunes don't change like they did with analog points, distributor and old plug wires and cap/rotor. In my mind you have the following items that folks might call doing a tune up:

Check for bad computer codes (common)
Replace fuel filter
Replace air filter
Check for dirty injectors
Check for bad plugs or replace them (Not common at 60K)
Check for bad coil/wire packs (usually they will toss codes)

What else is their in these modern engines that could be called a tune-up?

Just askin'
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I can get 22mpg in city driving on the computer board if I never have fun with the car and drive it like a eco commuter. If I drive it and enjoy it it can go down to 18-19 easy. 14 seems way off, do a pump test math and see if its still just as bad? I assume no codes are being tossed in your computer showing something wrong? At 50K+ have you ever used Chevron Techron injector cleaner yet? It is about the only injector cleaner that actually works with results you can see. About $6-8 at wally world, $14 at a parts store. They have a lower cost one, get the higher cost one and try it. Edit just what is left now adays in a tune up? The cars tunes don't change like they did with analog points, distributor and old plug wires and cap/rotor. In my mind you have the following items that folks might call doing a tune up: Check for bad computer codes (common) Replace fuel filter Replace air filter Check for dirty injectors Check for bad plugs or replace them (Not common at 60K) Check for bad coil/wire packs (usually they will toss codes) What else is their in these modern engines that could be called a tune-up? Just askin'
Thanks for the advice. I'll go buy some as soon as I'm off from work.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll go buy some as soon as I'm off from work.
The other question(s) is did it ever in the past get better mpg with the CAI? If so the CAI may need cleaning.

Did it get better mpg before CAI and exactly once you got CAI and tune the mpg went to the crapper?
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The other question(s) is did it ever in the past get better mpg with the CAI? If so the CAI may need cleaning. Did it get better mpg before CAI and exactly once you got CAI and tune the mpg went to the crapper?
Nope. Never. It went down since I got it. I have the STEEDA CAI. I was running the hybrid tune on my car so I expected crappy mpg. But I've been using the street tune the past month and a half and I still have bad mpg. I clean the intake filter once a month. I just got an oil change 1,000 miles ago and I've been using royal purple full synthetic oil since I've boughten the car.
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My GT only had 16,000 miles when I tuned it, and it came straight out of a Ford lot as a "Certified Pre-Owned Vehicle" so it definitely was not in need of a tune-up.

I think I was getting around 14-15 MPG and without the tune I get 18-20.
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Nope. Never. It went down since I got it. I have the STEEDA CAI. I was running the hybrid tune on my car so I expected crappy mpg. But I've been using the street tune the past month and a half and I still have bad mpg. I clean the intake filter once a month. I just got an oil change 1,000 miles ago and I've been using royal purple full synthetic oil since I've boughten the car.
Well, if following a troubleshooting chart to make sure everything in the car is fine the first thing to do is put the original airbox back on and return the tune to stock. Takes 10 mins to swap the intakes, make sure to put the rag in the drivers side fender corner so you don't drop the socket or bolt into that spot you can't get them back from. Drive a tank and prove your milage goes back up. Drive it the same way, don't baby it.

Are you sure you don't have any lean codes being thrown that may be making the ECM dump more gas in to compensate? What tuner brand are you using , SCT ?

It just might also be if you don't have any short freeway driving to work and back that you are putting your foot into the stop and go driving in the city now that you have the power boost of the Steeda CAI, more power means more gas consumed. If you never balance the driving out, and you enjoy the power, its going to be lower mpgs.
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Well, if following a troubleshooting chart to make sure everything in the car is fine the first thing to do is put the original airbox back on and return the tune to stock. Takes 10 mins to swap the intakes, make sure to put the rag in the drivers side fender corner so you don't drop the socket or bolt into that spot you can't get them back from. Drive a tank and prove your milage goes back up. Drive it the same way, don't baby it. Are you sure you don't have any lean codes being thrown that may be making the ECM dump more gas in to compensate? What tuner brand are you using , SCT ? It just might also be if you don't have any short freeway driving to work and back that you are putting your foot into the stop and go driving in the city now that you have the power boost of the Steeda CAI, more power means more gas consumed. If you never balance the driving out, and you enjoy the power, its going to be lower mpgs.
Yeah. I actually ran the car with the stock air box for two days. I was getting 22 mpg in the city. Just put the intake back on and I'm back down to 14.4. I'm using the SCT Tuner with BAMA tunes.
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Yeah. I actually ran the car with the stock air box for two days. I was getting 22 mpg in the city. Just put the intake back on and I'm back down to 14.4. I'm using the SCT Tuner with BAMA tunes.
Ok, thats just weird unless the sound of the CAI is driving you wild and the stock airbox you are eco driving because lack of the sound. You used the same exact 91 gasoline in this testing with the stock airbox? What area of the country are you in, some states like Iowa 91 premium is cheaper than regular because premium is watered down there with mpg robbing Corn Ethanol. So try 87 octane gas with no more than 10% corn added. Use a major brand gas station. In my town we have one single "no name" gas station always selling 20 cents less than anyone else and when I tested their gas it was like 20% corn.

If you want to rule out the custom tune, the SCT has a SCT "strategy tune" that "should" allow you to select Steeda for an air box when you select modify tune parameters from the menu. Do you have any other mods to worry about in the tune?

Read the SCT instructions, it should be like select strategy tune instead of custom tune, then you select airbox Steeda instead of OEM/Factory.

My thinking here is to act like a troubleshooting chart that rules things out in the ladder logic process. Your CAI needed the tune, and then you had bad mpg when you installed both. This strategy tune takes out the custom tune from the troubleshooting process.

If you still have bad mpg with the SCT strategy tune, talk to "Rod" at Steeda for further input.
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@ArtU, I'm having the same issue, except my engine is completely stock. It has to be something within the tunes. I know for one, my throttle response with the Bama tunes is way too much for daily driving. On 87 Street or 93 Race. It's just uncomfortable to drive when I'm not trying to have fun.
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What rear gear ratio are you running? This can impact the lower MPG...
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@ArtU, I'm having the same issue, except my engine is completely stock. It has to be something within the tunes. I know for one, my throttle response with the Bama tunes is way too much for daily driving. On 87 Street or 93 Race. It's just uncomfortable to drive when I'm not trying to have fun.
@ 2 Stangz, Try the SCT 87 or 93 strategy tune to find out.

@Bucko, the OP states that the mpg goes backup to normal just putting the stock airbox and tune back on, so not sure how the gear plays into that yet on the troubleshooting steps? Steps point to either tune or CAI at this point in the logic ladder correct? Putting a strategy tune in with the CAI on could point to either the custom tune or not correct?
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Yeah. I actually ran the car with the stock air box for two days. I was getting 22 mpg in the city. Just put the intake back on and I'm back down to 14.4. I'm using the SCT Tuner with BAMA tunes.
You shouldn't need a tune up at 60k, but it's possible for something to go bad before the expected time. However, I don't think that's the case since your MPG on the stock tune & stock intake is fine! Please shoot me a PM with your order number so we can look into your tune.

You should be able to see 20-22 MPG with your Intake and Tune on there, as long as you're not going wide open on every straight away.

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@ 2 Stangz, Try the SCT 87 or 93 strategy tune to find out.

@Bucko, the OP states that the mpg goes backup to normal just putting the stock airbox and tune back on, so not sure how the gear plays into that yet on the troubleshooting steps? Steps point to either tune or CAI at this point in the logic ladder correct? Putting a strategy tune in with the CAI on could point to either the custom tune or not correct?
I didn't catch that...thanks for the correction.
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@ 2 Stangz, Try the SCT 87 or 93 strategy tune to find out.
Thanks, I'll give this a shot. In brief, how does this procedure work? Do I just plug up my tuner and drive? Or do I need to contact Bama?
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Thanks, I'll give this a shot. In brief, how does this procedure work? Do I just plug up my tuner and drive? Or do I need to contact Bama?
You would plug in your tuner (following the directions after it's plugged in). Bacically, you install a different tune, as directed from the post. I'd call the tune's support team to see if they recommend you tune back to the stock tune first, then apply the secondary tune.
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Thanks, I'll give this a shot. In brief, how does this procedure work? Do I just plug up my tuner and drive? Or do I need to contact Bama?
Assuming you have an SCT...
Read your SCT tuner manual. Its on-line if you don't have one go to the url and click user manuals. Than select manual for SF3. Load the PDF, and save it to your hard drive for later use as well.
SCT Performance - More Power! Less Fuel!

It goes sometime like this, return your Car to Stock tune. Drive car make sure its ok.
With car now off, put tuner in place wait to power up and beeps are all done
Using the menu system select Strategy tune instead of custom tune. Follow the prompts for the octane you want. I know you are stock but if you have a Steeda CAI you go into options and change airbox from stock to Steeda.
Follow the prompts like you read in the manual, after selecting any options (which you don't need to do if stock) it works just like loading a custom tune from Bama or elsewhere.

If you have a Diablo return to stock and test car
then follow diablos methods to load the stock Diablo tune instead of the custom tune menu.

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Thanks for the advice guys, I appreciate it.
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What rear gear ratio are you running? This can impact the lower MPG...
The stock 2.73. It's a vert.
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I bought my car used with a Boss Intake Manifold, JLT CAI, and Roush Axle back exhaust.. I had it dyno'd the beginning of this year and the tuner said it had a tune on the car but that he could improve it.. I put it off, and went on deployment and When I got back I ordered a Tuner and Bama tunes from AM. I was excited to see if it would help improve power and/or gas mileage and I think the only thing that happened was a drop in Gas mileage. So I put on the original tune and am set to get a custom tune next week. I don't really wanna spend the extra money for it, but it is what it is...
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I bought my car used with a Boss Intake Manifold, JLT CAI, and Roush Axle back exhaust.. I had it dyno'd the beginning of this year and the tuner said it had a tune on the car but that he could improve it.. I put it off, and went on deployment and When I got back I ordered a Tuner and Bama tunes from AM. I was excited to see if it would help improve power and/or gas mileage and I think the only thing that happened was a drop in Gas mileage. So I put on the original tune and am set to get a custom tune next week. I don't really wanna spend the extra money for it, but it is what it is...
Yeah, Bama made my V6 feel like a whole new car, but I haven't had any luck with my GT.
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Yeah, Bama made my V6 feel like a whole new car, but I haven't had any luck with my GT.
I get bad mileage now. Even on the 89 performance. I got better onthe 87 street tune. And even better on stock. I granny lope it around and it's fine in city. Highway at 65 it plummets
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Well. I uploaded my hybrid tune and surprisingly got better mileage. Lol I dont know how that happened. I'm getting about 16.5 in the city now compared to 14.4 on the street tune.
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Well. I uploaded my hybrid tune and surprisingly got better mileage. Lol I dont know how that happened. I'm getting about 16.5 in the city now compared to 14.4 on the street tune.
Is it like the street tune? I have the performance tune, 89, and it dropped even more.
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Is it like the street tune? I have the performance tune, 89, and it dropped even more.
It is a combination of the street and race tune. It has the low end of the street tune and the high end of the race tune. It's the most aggressive tune available by Bama.
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