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Old 08-08-2014, 10:41 AM   #876
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Good numbers! I'm not a dyno or tuning expert. Can't even interpret the graph... Just looking at the bottom line.....

What is the max hp and torque of a procharger? Which one is better then?

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Well have fun tonight laying down a number.
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Good numbers! I'm not a dyno or tuning expert. Can't even interpret the graph... Just looking at the bottom line.....

What is the max hp and torque of a procharger? Which one is better then?

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Thats very subjective, and a discussion for another thread. Dont want to seem like an ***, but that will derail this thread in a hurry.
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Thanks for posting the #s. They look good. Definitely some restricted air flow.... I am by no means an expert or even know a lot about this but I've been reading up on FI the past few months. It definitely seems like this car is meant for "30-120" and not 0-120. I'd love to see the launch and where it falls off up top... Posting a video from all angles at the track and the board would be great. Also a picture of the slip would be perfect. Thanks for finally posting the #s looks like a little tune tweaking and you'll be good


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Old 08-08-2014, 12:57 PM   #880
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Nice! Clamphier. One bad *** kit indeed! I will now give credit where credit is do. I will caveat that by saying that I always thought the kit was going to be good just needed you guys to release some numbers as a baseline for what to expect instead of just hoping everyone would go off videos. Should have done this from the beginning and it would have quieted the nay sayers.
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:34 PM   #881
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Good job man. Thanks for the update.
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:50 PM   #882
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Very impressive. Nice work

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Old 08-08-2014, 05:13 PM   #884
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Boost =/= Na. The way a naturally aspirated powerband behaves does not mean it will mimick a boosted powerband in the same application. The All motor 3.7 power drops off for the same reason, and the same reason the stock GT does: lack of airflow. This is why when GT's switch to the boss manifold they see that "dip" turn into a flat line, because they were able to increase airflow.

You could cram enough boost into the stock manifold to flatten that tq out
-hp = (tq x rpm)/5252- so flat torque = rising hp
But eventually you would see diminishing returns. I am not saying, again, not saying that airflow problems lie within the turbo kit. It doesnt appear anyone besides CFM has pushed a 3.7 as hard as LPF has, and this is just part of pioneering. You get to find out what the weak points are.
Since you mentioned the HP drop at high rpms, it reminds me of Connors video vs sprayed boss. They were both neck in neck up until last few seconds where coyote pulled ahead of him. I'm wondering if it would have been an even race, given the 3.7 didn't have any air flow restriction/hp drop up top?

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Old 08-08-2014, 06:11 PM   #885
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Since you mentioned the HP drop at high rpms, it reminds me of Connors video vs sprayed boss. They were both neck in neck up until last few seconds where coyote pulled ahead of him. I'm wondering if it would have been an even race, given the 3.7 didn't have any air flow restriction/hp drop up top?

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You're basically asking if it would have been an even race if the 3.7 had more horsepower so... yes.
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:16 PM   #886
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Nice video guys. Good job. You gave a great race to the Boss 302.

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Old 08-08-2014, 08:58 PM   #887
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11.2????
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:42 PM   #888
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Yea spinning halfway through first

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Old 08-08-2014, 10:27 PM   #889
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Moved out really good! I was there at the track, did you stop after that 11.2 run? I waited a while and didn't spot you again so I took off.
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Old 08-08-2014, 10:43 PM   #890
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What kinda mph?

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Old 08-08-2014, 10:59 PM   #891
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Yea I got stuck in line for an hour so I rolled out. 128

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You're basically asking if it would have been an even race if the 3.7 had more horsepower so... yes.
Umm yes. So basically let's say his car had exact same power band, but lesser loss of power up top. Like instead of 100whp loss as you printed, maybe something like 20-30? Would that make it an even race?

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Old 08-08-2014, 11:17 PM   #893
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It never lost 100 hp. Look at the line we drew on the graph

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---------- Post added at 11:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 PM ----------

Also I was only on like 10 pounds then

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It never lost 100 hp. Look at the line we drew on the graph

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Also I was only on like 10 pounds then

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Oh I was talking about Voltwings, since he was saying it lost 100whp up top. Sorry I was supposed to write 'predicted' not printed.. ****in phone screwed it over.

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Old 08-09-2014, 12:00 AM   #895
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Yea I got stuck in line for an hour so I rolled out. 128

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Yea I figured. Started getting pretty busy. Im definitely sold on the kit! Just needs a better sounding exhaust.
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:00 AM   #896
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Well it's just coming straight out of the hood for the fun of it. Usually goes out the back

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It never lost 100 hp. Look at the line we drew on the graph

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Also I was only on like 10 pounds then

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unless i missed something in one of the later graphs, it clearly loses 100 whp between 6k and 7k here. I'm not just here to talk ****, thats something anyone (who can manage to look past the numbers...) could look at this dyno and see.
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:25 AM   #898
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That was the first graph and it didn't look good fixed it tye second one

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Old 08-09-2014, 04:56 AM   #899
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Have you tried changing your shift points. Now that you saw the graph? And where was it shifting at on the run?
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I never had no doubts in the kit from the videos posted and the kind of cars you were racing. Anyone that knows anything about racing and the kind of cars you were racing could see what the kit was capable of. Unlike others I never thought any of the races were staged to sell turbo kits, lol.


Now I get to watch all the naysayers tip toeing around that were calling you out and bashing the kit now that you have posted 1/4 times and a dyno sheet.
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I never had no doubts in the kit from the videos posted and the kind of cars you were racing. Anyone that knows anything about racing and the kind of cars you were racing could see what the kit was capable of. Unlike others I never thought any of the races were staged to sell turbo kits, lol.


Now I get to watch all the naysayers tip toeing around that were calling you out and bashing the kit now that you have posted 1/4 times and a dyno sheet.
The main issue is he claimed to be the fastest 3.7 which means he was claiming 10.7 or better... And anyone who knows anything about racing knows that while 11.2 is very respectable, it's a far cry from 10.7. Again 11.2 is a fantastic time but it's not the record!

He would have earned a lot more respect doing the dyno and track first even only being an 11 second car,without doing all the street racing silliness...
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And he would have earned respect if he didn't keep dodging the dyno for months... just saying.
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Truthfully the pure numbers look good but I would like to see a milder boost and a better looking, much smoother graph with the tq comming on much sooner. Not sure if that would require a smaller turbo or not. With Alefire having a different tuner it should be very interesting to see what someone else can come up with.
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Plus how much will those number drop when actually going through an exhaust? Because no one will run it like that on the streets.
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The main issue is he claimed to be the fastest 3.7 which means he was claiming 10.7 or better... And anyone who knows anything about racing knows that while 11.2 is very respectable, it's a far cry from 10.7. Again 11.2 is a fantastic time but it's not the record!



He would have earned a lot more respect doing the dyno and track first even only being an 11 second car,without doing all the street racing silliness...

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I never had no doubts in the kit from the videos posted and the kind of cars you were racing. Anyone that knows anything about racing and the kind of cars you were racing could see what the kit was capable of. Unlike others I never thought any of the races were staged to sell turbo kits, lol.


Now I get to watch all the naysayers tip toeing around that were calling you out and bashing the kit now that you have posted 1/4 times and a dyno sheet.
I guess you don't know anything plus you don't know racing and finally you don't know numbers as 10.7 beats 11.2 any day. Wow kids these days. LOL

Now those were some good runs and she moves out well. Now I am not sure about the narrow powerband whether you can get some of that back with better tuning or play with a different AR size.

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Then I stand corrected




To be fair, CFM's 3.7 has a similar power band, it may just be the way these cars respond to turbos. Also, trust me, 4k is plenty useful for peak torque, you can't really even use anything lower, plus you're just putting needless strain on the internals. Lastly, There are ways to spool a large turbo faster, but this car does not need a smaller turbo.

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I understand a 11.2 doesn't beat an 10.7. It's going to happen I had the 60ft and the mph just ran them seperate run so I have to get dialed in on the same run. The car can do it just a matter of getting it to do it right, fixed some issues now so seeing if there is any day events today

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I dont think i need one of these kits now. I smoked an old corvette stingray on an off-road strip yesterday! **** yea 3.7 power!

I still need this kit tho lol
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Also like I said before that's a 4th gear pull when I'm racing the turbo comes on way sooner it's just at peak power at 4 and I run it to 7200 so that's a pretty long power band.

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