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Old 08-11-2014, 08:27 PM   #981
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Whats so bad about racing a gtr and a lambo and beating them. . Just cus it isn't some thing you would do? Its called going out and having fun and showing what the car can do.
I totally agree with you here! But given the history of this thread, I guess claims of beating a gt-r and lambo seemed a bit too good to believe.. without a proper clear video of his runs.

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I've got a link to a very clear video, if you want it pm me

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The problems with street racing are variables. Did the other guy start in the right gear, was he in the meat of HIS powerband, did someone jump, did you hit a bump in the road, can you shift, do your tires suck, was the road uphill, downhill, were they BSing about their mods... Street racing has way too many variables, a 1/4 track has hard data and numbers. If you run a ****ty time but only cut a 2.5 60' then its obvious the car isnt slow, it just cant launch. If you run a 10 second pass but only trap 120 its obvious the car just gets off the line super well but has no pulling power. There are ways to accurately interprit data from the track, street racing is almost all speculation. The same with a dyno, you can see where the useable powerband is, see how the car will fall back after its shift points, measure the useful torque... Its just all around ... well i'd say more useful data, but street racing provides almost zero data except datalogs and i imagine theres only a hanfdul of people in this thread who could even make heads or tails of those.

That being said, it does take seat time to get in a car and drive it to its full potential, even an automatic. You cant expect a kit to go out and run its very best time the first time ever to the track, there are suspension / tire / power delivery things that need to be worked out. Also, at least in my experience, the tunes i make for the drag strip are a far cry from a tune for maximum street performance (especially with a turbo). Basically my point is that while the 1/4 does provide useful data, your outputs are only as good as your inputs...
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The problems with street racing are variables. Did the other guy start in the right gear, was he in the meat of HIS powerband, did someone jump, did you hit a bump in the road, can you shift, do your tires suck, was the road uphill, downhill, were they BSing about their mods... Street racing has way too many variables, a 1/4 track has hard data and numbers. If you run a ****ty time but only cut a 2.5 60' then its obvious the car isnt slow, it just cant launch. If you run a 10 second pass but only trap 120 its obvious the car just gets off the line super well but has no pulling power. There are ways to accurately interprit data from the track, street racing is almost all speculation. The same with a dyno, you can see where the useable powerband is, see how the car will fall back after its shift points, measure the useful torque... Its just all around ... well i'd say more useful data, but street racing provides almost zero data except datalogs and i imagine theres only a hanfdul of people in this thread who could even make heads or tails of those.

That being said, it does take seat time to get in a car and drive it to its full potential, even an automatic. You cant expect a kit to go out and run its very best time the first time ever to the track, there are suspension / tire / power delivery things that need to be worked out. Also, at least in my experience, the tunes i make for the drag strip are a far cry from a tune for maximum street performance (especially with a turbo). Basically my point is that while the 1/4 does provide useful data, your outputs are only as good as your inputs...
Well put I must agree.
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The problems with street racing are variables. Did the other guy start in the right gear, was he in the meat of HIS powerband, did someone jump, did you hit a bump in the road, can you shift, do your tires suck, was the road uphill, downhill, were they BSing about their mods... Street racing has way too many variables, a 1/4 track has hard data and numbers. If you run a ****ty time but only cut a 2.5 60' then its obvious the car isnt slow, it just cant launch. If you run a 10 second pass but only trap 120 its obvious the car just gets off the line super well but has no pulling power. There are ways to accurately interprit data from the track, street racing is almost all speculation. The same with a dyno, you can see where the useable powerband is, see how the car will fall back after its shift points, measure the useful torque... Its just all around ... well i'd say more useful data, but street racing provides almost zero data except datalogs and i imagine theres only a hanfdul of people in this thread who could even make heads or tails of those.

That being said, it does take seat time to get in a car and drive it to its full potential, even an automatic. You cant expect a kit to go out and run its very best time the first time ever to the track, there are suspension / tire / power delivery things that need to be worked out. Also, at least in my experience, the tunes i make for the drag strip are a far cry from a tune for maximum street performance (especially with a turbo). Basically my point is that while the 1/4 does provide useful data, your outputs are only as good as your inputs...
Agreed! And very well said!
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:18 AM   #986
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I totally agree with you here! But given the history of this thread, I guess claims of beating a gt-r and lambo seemed a bit too good to believe.. without a proper clear video of his runs.

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Well it ran an 11.2 .. im sure it could run a mid 10 sec on a great run down the track. Thats definitely good enouph to keep up and perhaps beat one of those 2 supercars. I guess everyone mad this guy isnt doing things the way they would like him to do..
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Well it ran an 11.2 .. im sure it could run a mid 10 sec on a great run down the track. Thats definitely good enouph to keep up and perhaps beat one of those 2 supercars. I guess everyone mad this guy isnt doing things the way they would like him to do..

This goes back to my point, nothing but speculation. Seat time at the track will prove this kit, nothing more, and nothing less. And again, that is not a stab at Connor, nor his driving abilities, but it is difficult to just hop in a car and run it as fast as it will go the first time out.

I beat a low 10 second supercharged auto 5.0 at the track in my all motor 5.0, and have the time slip to prove it. My Car runs consistent low 12's ... he was spinning and let off at the 1/8th, but my time slip says "winner." If that was on video, it may be obvious he let out, it may not be, it may look like my car has hellacious top end, and maybe this is a bit of an extreme example but you see my point. On video it would be nothing but guessing, if i handed you the time slips, his superior 60', superior 1/8th, but like 74 mph finish trap speed would clearly show he let off.

Again, for the sake of having to baby down everything for everyone, i am not saying the people they have been racing are sandbagging, i am just saying time slips tell more than a video. It just is what it is.
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This goes back to my point, nothing but speculation. Seat time at the track will prove this kit, nothing more, and nothing less. And again, that is not a stab at Connor, nor his driving abilities, but it is difficult to just hop in a car and run it as fast as it will go the first time out.
Not sure seat time alone will get the car as it sits to mid-10s...

Main issue is they still claim to be the fastest 3.7 which they clearly are not....

Just now from his FB page...
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Not sure seat time alone will get the car as it sits to mid-10s...

Main issue is they still claim to be the fastest 3.7 which they clearly are not....

Just know from his FB page...
I agree, the trap speed isnt there, but i am waiting to be proven wrong and will be the first to admit when i am.
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How is it not there? The hellcat runs a 10.8@126. He ran a 11.2@127. He can run a 10.8 pass for sure, and if he hooks up perfectly he has the trap speed to even run mid 10s.

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The 2013 Gt500 runs a 11.7@125 as well.

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How is it not there? The hellcat runs a 10.8@126. He ran a 11.2@127. He can run a 10.8 pass for sure, and if he hooks up perfectly he has the trap speed to even run mid 10s.

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The 2013 Gt500 runs a 11.7@125 as well.

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Good runs no less and a pretty good showing.


Trap speed might be there but there might be other issues as trap speed not everything. It is all a combination and mixture to form the perfect concoction. Like most turbo cars they usually have a better back half. A lot more goes into potential than reading the mph.


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How is it not there? The hellcat runs a 10.8@126. He ran a 11.2@127. He can run a 10.8 pass for sure, and if he hooks up perfectly he has the trap speed to even run mid 10s.

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The hellcat also has an 8 speed auto to get that 4500 lb boat moving with short quick gears. Most 10 second passes are in the 130s to 140s, so while 128 is close, its not quite there. With a better 60' it shouldnt have a problem being in the 10's, but until it actually does it we're all just guessing.

Like i said, i've seen civics run 12.0 but only trap 100. ET just measures traction, trap speed measures pull power. To an extent*
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The car is pretty badass but clearly not the fastest. Not yet anyway. Conner you should really stop claiming that until you actually beat the record. Do you have any plans to throw a converter on? iirc you don't have one yet.
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There is a converter in it and it's supposed to be a 3800 from circle d and it won't even go to 3 that's most of the problem. I didn't even know that was on there the page is run by me and some people at work and I can't see it from the manager page it only shows up on the actually page sorry guys

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There is a converter in it and it's supposed to be a 3800 from circle d and it won't even go to 3 that's most of the problem. I didn't even know that was on there the page is run by me and some people at work and I can't see it from the manager page it only shows up on the actually page sorry guys.

Oh ok I must I have missed that. Is there anything else your looking to do to make it faster or are you content with where it's at?
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Oh no nowhere close to content gonna make the stall lock sooner do some suspension tweaking and go on the boost we have it at now. At the track we were on 14 and didn't realize we were on overboost. Now we are on 18 have the problem fixed and we are going for low 10s before we do the motor swap

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Oh no nowhere close to content gonna make the stall lock sooner do some suspension tweaking and go on the boost we have it at now. At the track we were on 14 and didn't realize we were on overboost. Now we are on 18 have the problem fixed and we are going for low 10s before we do the motor swap

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Low 10's on an all stock motor???

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Everything this guy does, he is bashed by the same people lol
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Thanks well its held together so far. Also do any of yall know what the record is for recorded highest horsepower numbers is on our motor? Yeap low 10s all stock

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You know, the bashing and questioning is getting rather old and I've stayed out of it. When it comes down to it, Connor is gonna handle things and run his business the way he sees fit. I have my own small business (unrelated to Mustangs or the automotive industry all together) and I run it the way I see fit and what works for me. I say let this man be and enjoy what he is doing and the results he has gotten. You have to admit that what he has accomplished so far is very impressive! Enough with the bashing and criticism on how he handles things. Instead, maybe give some positive advice in a constructive manner and congratulate him on what he has done. And, if you don't like how he is going about his business, do it yourself!

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Thanks ponie 1992 I appreciate it and it was a constructive thousandth comment! I appreciate you guys keeping up with it and giving feedback regardless if I agree with you or not the car is what it is and I'm not ever going to be content with how fast it is. So don't worry there is more and more to come!

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You know, the bashing and questioning is getting rather old and I've stayed out of it. When it comes down to it, Connor is gonna handle things and run his business the way he sees fit. I have my own small business (unrelated to Mustangs or the automotive industry all together) and I run it the way I see fit and what works for me. I say let this man be and enjoy what he is doing and the results he has gotten. You have to admit that what he has accomplished so far is very impressive! Enough with the bashing and criticism on how he handles things. Instead, maybe give some positive advice in a constructive manner and congratulate him on what he has done. And, if you don't like how he is going about his business, do it yourself!

Keep at it Connor!


It's an open forum. These are legitimate questions and concerns. Speaking for myself anyway. Don't like it then don't participate in the forum. There is no denying the kit is awesome as I've said before and I like it but not everyone is going to like everything about it. Everyone has an opinion and you see that come out on places like this. Anyway keep it up Connor and best of luck breaking the record.
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Thanks well its held together so far. Also do any of yall know what the record is for recorded highest horsepower numbers is on our motor?
Yours is the highest HP dyno I've actually seen. A couple guys running tons of boost (somewhere from 10-15psi) on prochargers have claimed 550, but I haven't seen dyno charts of them. CFM ran 10.89 @ 126 on the procharger that they guessed was making mid 500's.
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That's why I said recorded too lol. Well I guess I'll have to do another one so it's recorded and word of mouth the highest

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Yeah, I'd have to knock you for saying fastest 3.7 as you aren't yet, but highest recorded horsepower stock bottom end 3.7 sounds pretty true to me.
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Oh no nowhere close to content gonna make the stall lock sooner do some suspension tweaking and go on the boost we have it at now. At the track we were on 14 and didn't realize we were on overboost. Now we are on 18 have the problem fixed and we are going for low 10s before we do the motor swap
I thought you guys were going to push the stock engine till it lets go?
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You know, the bashing and questioning is getting rather old and I've stayed out of it. When it comes down to it, Connor is gonna handle things and run his business the way he sees fit. I have my own small business (unrelated to Mustangs or the automotive industry all together) and I run it the way I see fit and what works for me. I say let this man be and enjoy what he is doing and the results he has gotten. You have to admit that what he has accomplished so far is very impressive! Enough with the bashing and criticism on how he handles things. Instead, maybe give some positive advice in a constructive manner and congratulate him on what he has done. And, if you don't like how he is going about his business, do it yourself!

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Just remember this is a public forum with everyone's opinion. So it looks like you will have to deal with it. People will always have their own opinion and on here it will be heard.

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Yours is the highest HP dyno I've actually seen. A couple guys running tons of boost (somewhere from 10-15psi) on prochargers have claimed 550, but I haven't seen dyno charts of them. CFM ran 10.89 @ 126 on the procharger that they guessed was making mid 500's.
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And by the way CFM ran faster than that.....
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But remember Smurf, they aren't saying ANYTHING about dyno numbers for that setup (apart from that early video making 440/500). So I left it out. They mentioned mid 500's with their old PC setup.

I for one would love to have a Cyclone Shootout. Get CFM and LPF to do a track and dyno day. And at the end of the day LPF sells all the kits because CFM isn't selling. :-p
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We probably will but if it doesn't blow up before street car takeover we will probably do the swap. We've already asked them multiple times and they won't respond

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So we are just gonna drive it there for fl2k and ask them politely to race and see what happens. But supposedly they have built motor now so need to verify that

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You know, the bashing and questioning is getting rather old and I've stayed out of it. When it comes down to it, Connor is gonna handle things and run his business the way he sees fit. I have my own small business (unrelated to Mustangs or the automotive industry all together) and I run it the way I see fit and what works for me. I say let this man be and enjoy what he is doing and the results he has gotten. You have to admit that what he has accomplished so far is very impressive! Enough with the bashing and criticism on how he handles things. Instead, maybe give some positive advice in a constructive manner and congratulate him on what he has done. And, if you don't like how he is going about his business, do it yourself!

Keep at it Connor!

Its important to understand the difference between bashing and questioning. Bashing is saying this kit will never be the fastest, questioning is simply asking for proof that you are.

I'm going to assume i am one of the people you are talking about since i have been one of the more vocal Devil's Advocates in this thread, but if i were claiming the fastest 3.7 then people would expect no less proof from me. I have merely pointed out things i have seen from my experiences, and Connor has either addressed them or hasnt (btw its not his business) and we've moved on.

Wanting proof of a claim is not bashing. Understand that is the way this industry works, you need video, data logs, dyno graphs, people want data to really pour over to decide if a kit is for them. Simply saying " i beat a GT-R" is not an adequate substitute.
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I thought you guys were going to push the stock engine till it lets go?
I would like to see a response to this question, as Connor definitely said that somewhere on this thread before. (I'm not gonna hunt through 1,000 posts to find it though.) If LPF changed their mind, fair enough, it's their project, but it is a legit question.

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I for one would love to have a Cyclone Shootout. Get CFM and LPF to do a track and dyno day. And at the end of the day LPF sells all the kits because CFM isn't selling. :-p
I would pay to see this! I hope CFM gets back to you guys soon.
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Old 08-12-2014, 01:21 PM   #1013
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No we are for sure pushing it been on 18psi for about 4 days now and been our racing 3 of them still together. We have two weeks to pop it we just want to have everything done for street car takeover. If not I guess we will do it one morning before we go out

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Thanks ponie 1992 I appreciate it and it was a constructive thousandth comment! I appreciate you guys keeping up with it and giving feedback regardless if I agree with you or not the car is what it is and I'm not ever going to be content with how fast it is. So don't worry there is more and more to come!

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No problem. The car is awesome and I've enjoyed your progress with it.

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It's an open forum. These are legitimate questions and concerns. Speaking for myself anyway. Don't like it then don't participate in the forum. There is no denying the kit is awesome as I've said before and I like it but not everyone is going to like everything about it. Everyone has an opinion and you see that come out on places like this. Anyway keep it up Connor and best of luck breaking the record.
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Just remember this is a public forum with everyone's opinion. So it looks like you will have to deal with it. People will always have their own opinion and on here it will be heard.
You guys are correct. This is a public forum so, I guess you'll have to deal with my comments as well.

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Its important to understand the difference between bashing and questioning. Bashing is saying this kit will never be the fastest, questioning is simply asking for proof that you are.

I'm going to assume i am one of the people you are talking about since i have been one of the more vocal Devil's Advocates in this thread, but if i were claiming the fastest 3.7 then people would expect no less proof from me. I have merely pointed out things i have seen from my experiences, and Connor has either addressed them or hasnt (btw its not his business) and we've moved on.

Wanting proof of a claim is not bashing. Understand that is the way this industry works, you need video, data logs, dyno graphs, people want data to really pour over to decide if a kit is for them. Simply saying " i beat a GT-R" is not an adequate substitute.
I disagree with how this industry works. It has gotten better in recent years as it has become easier to obtain dyno results, track results, data logs, etc. But, it wasn't long ago when manufacturers "claimed" this and that with no real proof. I'm not talking about all manufacturers, but a lot (even some of the bigger names) did not have all of this data.
I think what kinda gets me is the impatience shown by some people, especially those that in reality will never buy this product. I don't think people understand the work and labor involved in bringing a new product to the public. Maybe he brought it out too early and didn't have all of the info that some are repeatedly requesting. I'm sure he wanted it known about because he was excited to do so. Hell, I would be. But, he is doing the best he can imo. I'm sure he requires sleep, food and a personal life. Time is a most precious commodity and as we all know, there's just not enough of it most of the time.
Let's give the guy a break and follow along as he reveals more to us. I feel very confident that you all will get the answers that you require. Until then, sit back and relax This has been a good show so far!
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No we are for sure pushing it been on 18psi for about 4 days now and been our racing 3 of them still together. We have two weeks to pop it we just want to have everything done for street car takeover. If not I guess we will do it one morning before we go out
I completely understand you guys wanting to roll out to street car takeover with a built engine. That completely makes sense, especially when the competition supposedly has a built engine. That certainly wouldn't be fair to you guys or anyone else to be running around with a stock engine on borrowed time.

I'm not wanting you guys to just go out with the purpose of destroying the engine. I am just curious, as I am sure that a lot of people are, at just what this engine can handle from the factory with proper tuning while really being pushed.
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