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Old 08-14-2014, 07:04 PM   #1051
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How in the hell is the stock pump supporting 600HP on e85. With no boost a pump.

**** the 3.7 fuel sytem is better than the stock Coyote fuel sytem on e85

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How in the hell is the stock pump supporting 600HP on e85. With no boost a pump.

**** the 3.7 fuel sytem is better than the stock Coyote fuel sytem on e85

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Lol rapinators gonna sell the v8 and get the 3.7

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Lol my wife had a grabber blue 3.7 for a little while

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It's on the same fuel system just doesn't use as much because it's a v6

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Old 08-15-2014, 12:53 AM   #1056
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This is really impressive...I want some numbers on ****ty 91 octane gas and 10 psi with an exhaust hooked up

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This is really impressive...I want some numbers on ****ty 91 octane gas and 10 psi with an exhaust hooked up

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I think that's how most will be running it either 91 or 93 fuel on 8 or 10 psi
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I think that's how most will be running it either 91 or 93 fuel on 8 or 10 psi
.. on a dyno tune. I understand you have been doing street tuning this car and it has been nothing short of a wonder, yet some (if not majority) are going to get their cars tuned on a dyno anyway.

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Old 08-15-2014, 02:14 AM   #1059
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.. on a dyno tune. I understand you have been doing street tuning this car and it has been nothing short of a wonder, yet some (if not majority) are going to get their cars tuned on a dyno anyway.

Would be beneficial to post results based on an average person's approach to this kit.

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I would really only probably trust AED to tune it not on a dyno (through street driving and data logs, etc.) I heard that he will not tune 3.7's though, but I'm not sure. I have read wonderful things about AED tuning boosted coyotes.
I am about a year-2 years away from going the FI route on my 2012 v6. I will be full bolt on by the end of the month, then I am doing all cosmetic work, then once that's done and I need more power I will be going FI.
The only realistic option I can find is a Procharger, and this turbo kit. Please inform me if there are any other actual options. I like the procharger kit, happy with its RWHP, it is just a little lacking on the TQ. I know this kit has its dyno sheet posted here making more, and I'm sure it will definitely make more TQ... but for the maintenance and how much more complicated a turbo is than the procharger.... IDK. People love their prochargers. Guess its up to Alrefire to get it in this weekend and get some #s in the next few weeks. Excited to see his thread.
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Turbo is easy and there is less maintenance than a procharger. You have to change procharger oil every 5k. Also ran a 9.5 run I'm getting the graph in the morning. But the e only benefits if you run it with upped timing and I'm running less than stock so It'd be like running 91 or 93

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We don't have 91 the lowest you can go with fi is 91 or 93. But my graphs would be the same because I'm running 91 or 93 timing so the e isn't beneficial. This is on 9.7 and this kit is simple and there is no maintenance. .. procharger you have to change the procharger oil every 5k. Turbo don't have to do anything

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Sorry graph didn't post I'll get it in the morning

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This is really impressive...I want some numbers on ****ty 91 octane gas and 10 psi with an exhaust hooked up

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You'll get some for 93 and e85 on 10lbs tuesday.


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This is on 9.5

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Old 08-15-2014, 11:53 AM   #1064
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Nice numbers and that graph looks better. Not sure what the stock fuel pump is rated to but I doubt that a stock pump can support 500hp to the wheels much less 600.
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It can because we did it. I haven't touched the fuel system minus injectors. And that's 600 on e so on 93 good for 700 plus

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You'll get some for 93 and e85 on 10lbs tuesday.


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Excited for you man! I bet you're even more excited!
What are you hoping to make, 450/400 ?
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:17 PM   #1067
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It can because we did it. I haven't touched the fuel system minus injectors. And that's 600 on e so on 93 good for 700 plus

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Clamph you may have literally the toughest 3.7 stock engine ever created. It will be a sad day when it blows, it really did a great job...
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:20 PM   #1068
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I think they are all tough other people just have tuning problems lol. And it's not done hopefully get to 700 before it pops

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It's funny how both your car and CFM's car had a procharger and then a turbo and both cars are living on the fat side of dangerous, quite happily.
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@clamphier now you are getting me excited with those numbers!

(1) can you ship the kit to Dubai, UAE?

(2) what's included in the kit?

(3) will it come with a tuner or I have to get it tuned here?

(4) will it be a 100% bolt on? Or do we still need to cut / weld / modify something?

(5) I assume there will be a user friendly manual in it....

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And order completion timeline?

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^^^ lack of tune sold with the kit could be easily solved by contacting Alefires tuner and paying for a copy of his tune. Then a simple data log to adjust for your particular car would be very simple.
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@clamphier now you are getting me excited with those numbers!

(1) can you ship the kit to Dubai, UAE?

(2) what's included in the kit?

(3) will it come with a tuner or I have to get it tuned here?

(4) will it be a 100% bolt on? Or do we still need to cut / weld / modify something?

(5) I assume there will be a user friendly manual in it....

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Yes we can ship the kit to dubai! The kit comes with everything minus the programmer, but we can get you a diablo with a base tune to get it running then you would have to get it fine tuned there. 100% bolt on and it will come with a manual just let me know!

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Completion time is 3 to for 4 mainly because the turbo is built to order

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Popeye We are making about 100 more horsepower and tq than cfm and still cranking it up lol

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@clamphier is it possible to get a bigger turbo? :p

Let me know the full weight of the kit (with the packing) so I can calculate shipping cost from my end...

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Popeye We are making about 100 more horsepower and tq than cfm and still cranking it up lol

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Im really interested to see the numbers through an exhaust. I know it will lose some and a one point with high boost lose a lot. But I think the majority of buyers would like to see a full exhaust and well sorted tune to 500/500. Figure 12 lbs to get there?
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Yes we can get you up to a 72 I believe till it gets to a big housing then the price jumps. I'll get you an estimated number here in a little bit when I get back to the shop.

Popeye the numbers will be the same through exhaust the only time it's less is if the kit doesn't flow well or if it's being pushed through small pipes. But 10 to 11 would get you 500 this was a 10.5 from yesterday

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@clamphier is it possible to get a bigger turbo? :p

Let me know the full weight of the kit (with the packing) so I can calculate shipping cost from my end...

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I'm guessing 40 or 50 pounds based off weight most parts of the kit. We can do freight or regular shipping Howe reverse you prefer

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Popeye the numbers will be the same through exhaust the only time it's less is if the kit doesn't flow well or if it's being pushed through small pipes. But 10 to 11 would get you 500 this was a 10.5 from yesterday

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Saying exhaust has no impact on HP numbers is idiotic, even you admit it in post 978 (copied below). Although your car is impressive you and the associated shop have failed to show what the true numbers are on a stock car without any other upgrades. Taking a 300 HP car with 2.25 exhaust and increasing the power by 50-60% is going to make the exhaust a huge restriction. Having it dumped could easier add 20+ HP to your car that would be unseen on a 100% stock car. I'm sure if you take a stock procharger kit and dump the exhaust, and turn the boost up with a tune you will make just as much HP. Its just that they rate their kits on STOCK cars with conservation boost and tunes.

As I said before although your car is impressive and its an impressive build in no way is it a reflection on what one can expect when installing a conservative tune at 6-8 pounds while wanting to keep their car street legal. And while I can understand 'testing the limits' of the kit. It's sad and reflects poorly on the shop that there selling these kits without baseline numbers being provided. And in terms of what a 'street car' is a shop selling any parts can't say "well you can drive it on the street so its a street car' or 'everyone else does it'. Street able means can be driven on the street with passing emissions.


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That's what I'm saying when it is all the way back it sounds good but it was too quiet so I dumped it and don't really care as long as it's fast. Didn't want it being restricted by the 2 1/4 pipes.

How do you eco mod a mustang? Lol

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He said small pipes.. And than he said 2 1/4 pipes that's like the same thing

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Alrefire's thread is up he's installing the kit as we speak
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Glad to see it finally coming together man!

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If you don't have access to or are not willing to Dyno tune a Forced Induction car, please do not invest in it. For your own sake and your car's.

It's not an easy process to send a canned tune and expect it to just perform out of the box. It doesn't work that way.

@Clamphier, have you folks tested any Turbo-specific mufflers for more backpressure?

Also, I know I'm getting ahead of myself here, but any chance of taking a look at Twin Turbos in the future?
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Saying exhaust has no impact on HP numbers is idiotic, even you admit it in post 978 (copied below). Although your car is impressive you and the associated shop have failed to show what the true numbers are on a stock car without any other upgrades. Taking a 300 HP car with 2.25 exhaust and increasing the power by 50-60% is going to make the exhaust a huge restriction. Having it dumped could easier add 20+ HP to your car that would be unseen on a 100% stock car. I'm sure if you take a stock procharger kit and dump the exhaust, and turn the boost up with a tune you will make just as much HP. Its just that they rate their kits on STOCK cars with conservation boost and tunes.

As I said before although your car is impressive and its an impressive build in no way is it a reflection on what one can expect when installing a conservative tune at 6-8 pounds while wanting to keep their car street legal. And while I can understand 'testing the limits' of the kit. It's sad and reflects poorly on the shop that there selling these kits without baseline numbers being provided. And in terms of what a 'street car' is a shop selling any parts can't say "well you can drive it on the street so its a street car' or 'everyone else does it'. Street able means can be driven on the street with passing emissions.
What you are saying has a lot of truth to it. It's been a revelation of sorts to get the flood of data that he has provided as of late. His first retail kit is being installed this weekend and should have some numbers this Tuesday. That car will be indicative of what a mildly modified car will do. Clamphier and the shop have not done anything by the book as far as traditional shops have done. It has been frustrating to say the least.

With that said they have taken a stock block to unknown territories and as much as I wanted to strangle him in the past for the circus that was created,,,, they certainly have proven that there seems to be some kind of method to their madness. If nothing else it has been wildly entertaining and like an impending train wreck you just can't look away.
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