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Old 04-01-2014, 12:38 AM   #1
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First mod questions.

I think I have figured out exactly what I'm going to do for my first mods but am asking before making the purchase what you guys think.

I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck and so here is my plan.

I'm going to get the Steeda CAI and the Bama SF3/X3 Power Flash Tuner.

I'm not too positive on what I'll use daily but I'm currently assuming I'll be using the Performance Tune from Bama once I get the CAI installed.

Roughly, this will add (combined) 38HP and 52ft-lb's of torque.

Roughly paying $20/1hp & $14.61/1ft-lb of torque.

Is this combo a good first upgrade price wise or are there other mods that can offer more bang per buck?

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I think I have figured out exactly what I'm going to do for my first mods but am asking before making the purchase what you guys think.

I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck and so here is my plan.

I'm going to get the Steeda CAI and the Bama SF3/X3 Power Flash Tuner.

I'm not too positive on what I'll use daily but I'm currently assuming I'll be using the Performance Tune from Bama once I get the CAI installed.

Roughly, this will add (combined) 38HP and 52ft-lb's of torque.

Roughly paying $20/1hp & $14.61/1ft-lb of torque.

Is this combo a good first upgrade price wise or are there other mods that can offer more bang per buck?

Thanks!
This is a great list of mods! You're really going to love this set-up. These modifications are the first two things that I suggest to anyone who is getting started with their car.

This will improve horsepower, torque, acceleration, drive ability, gas mileage, throttle response and much more! For every Bama Tune we ask you 19 questions about your specific Mustang, including your unique mods and style of driving. This info helps us write custom tunes from the ground-up for your Mustang's mods that will give you the most horsepower that we can safely deliver. We're also constantly developing our tunes! Between our 14 different Project Mustangs and tons of street/track and dyno testing (on our in-house Dynojet 224xLC), we're looking for any minor tweaks to be made that can benefit you guys. We're also part of Fords Technology Transfer Program & Work very closely with Ford to insure that all of our tunes are perfect!

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions or need some assistance in the near future. We'll gladly help you out! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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I think I have figured out exactly what I'm going to do for my first mods but am asking before making the purchase what you guys think.



I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck and so here is my plan.



I'm going to get the Steeda CAI and the Bama SF3/X3 Power Flash Tuner.



I'm not too positive on what I'll use daily but I'm currently assuming I'll be using the Performance Tune from Bama once I get the CAI installed.



Roughly, this will add (combined) 38HP and 52ft-lb's of torque.



Roughly paying $20/1hp & $14.61/1ft-lb of torque.



Is this combo a good first upgrade price wise or are there other mods that can offer more bang per buck?



Thanks!

This is pretty nice bro ! I have the JLT CAI and bama 91 race tune but i dont think you'll get that much HP from those two upgrades
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You are using ricer math, it's wrong.

You will likely see gains around 20hp and 30lb-ft at the wheels with just a CAI and tune.
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You are using ricer math, it's wrong.

You will likely see gains around 20hp and 30lb-ft at the wheels with just a CAI and tune.

+1 you can't just add up all "claimed" gains from each part.
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Old 04-02-2014, 01:23 PM   #6
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This is a great list of mods! You're really going to love this set-up. These modifications are the first two things that I suggest to anyone who is getting started with their car.

This will improve horsepower, torque, acceleration, drive ability, gas mileage, throttle response and much more! For every Bama Tune we ask you 19 questions about your specific Mustang, including your unique mods and style of driving. This info helps us write custom tunes from the ground-up for your Mustang's mods that will give you the most horsepower that we can safely deliver. We're also constantly developing our tunes! Between our 14 different Project Mustangs and tons of street/track and dyno testing (on our in-house Dynojet 224xLC), we're looking for any minor tweaks to be made that can benefit you guys. We're also part of Fords Technology Transfer Program & Work very closely with Ford to insure that all of our tunes are perfect!

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions or need some assistance in the near future. We'll gladly help you out! Our Bama Performance tuning specialists are here in the building Monday-Friday from 9AM-5:30PM EST and Saturday 9AM-5:30PM EST. You can hit them up directly at 888.226.9764 and they'll get you squared away!

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Thanks for the input and letting me know you're just a phone call away.

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This is pretty nice bro ! I have the JLT CAI and bama 91 race tune but i dont think you'll get that much HP from those two upgrades
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You are using ricer math, it's wrong.

You will likely see gains around 20hp and 30lb-ft at the wheels with just a CAI and tune.
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+1 you can't just add up all "claimed" gains from each part.
Fair enough, I did stated roughly but from your experiences would you say most manufacturer numbers are completely overblown or inflated?

What's a more accurate method of determining the potential gains that parts will add without actually having them in hand? How do you shop I guess considering it sounds like my method is completely backwards.
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Most of the bolt on mods we can do on our cars have been done by AM on their v6 project car. You can watch their bolt on build ups on YouTube and afterwards they do a dyno pull to show the results. That should give you good idea of what you can expect.

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YOU will like both the looks under the hood of the Steeda, and the performance of it. I had one on my V6.

I used a 93 Tune from Bama as my first tune. Should work good with the SCT tuner.
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Most of the bolt on mods we can do on our cars have been done by AM on their v6 project car. You can watch their bolt on build ups on YouTube and afterwards they do a dyno pull to show the results. That should give you good idea of what you can expect.

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Thanks, that's actually what I did in this case to figure out what the max (combined) I would be getting.

According to AM their dyno test's for Bama tunes increased RWHP by 18 and added 22 ft-lb's of torque.
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The Steeda CAI wasn't tested by AM so I was taking Steeda's word for it when they said the following;

"Combined with the required custom tune using an SCT X3 Flash programming device we have achieved dramatic power increases of up to 20hp and 30ft/lbs of torque!"
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So with the Dyno numbers from AM and the reported gains, by what seems to be a reputable company, I came to my conclusion of a max combined 38HP and 52ft-lb's of torque.

Those are optimal numbers I understand running most likely the race tune with 91+ octane.

It sounds like the research I did on the parts matches what you stated to do for the best idea of possible gains.

That's why I was a little caught off guard when others have noted that I may only see half of the gains, which would basically mean only one of the two products will actually perform as advertised or they both will only be capable of half the advertised gains.

I'm a logical and realistic style shopper, I care more about what really will take place vs. what is advertised. That's why I asked how others generally shop for parts. I just bought my car about a week and half ago and this is my first venture into aftermarket parts so it's all still new to me.
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Just keep in mind that they show both peak gains as well as power throughout the curve so try not to get them mixed up.

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Also make sure you get an SCT tuner. It is the most supported by the Mustang tune shops, and the base kernels of the tuning shops software has been around long enough to get bugs out.

Bama has good tunes, but someday you might what to try another tune shop out for some special mod, and you would not want to have to buy another tuner again if that shop didn't support that other tuner brand.
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YOU will like both the looks under the hood of the Steeda, and the performance of it. I had one on my V6.

I used a 93 Hybrid Tune from Bama as my first tune. Should work good with the SCT tuner.
I honestly can't wait until it gets here, the reviews I've read about how people really noticed power and response on the low end of the band really has me on edge.

I love my ride, but I want more response at the low end since that's where a majority of my driving is happening and it just seemed to be a waste to not get the tune so I actually ordered the Bama X4/SF4 Power Flash Tuner, saw it was listed as in stock literally after refreshing the page one last time and switched out the X3.

Right now I'm just looking forward to the increase in performance from the tune and CAI and plan on doing the performance tune at an 87 rating. If I choose to go the 93 route should I try and empty the tank out as much as possible before adding 93?

I've never had a car that could simply take either rating so I don't want to damage anything by being too impatient.
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Just keep in mind that they show both peak gains as well as power throughout the curve so try not to get them mixed up.

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Ahh, that's a good point! I'll make sure to pay more attention to the gains throughout the whole run when looking at dyno results, at present I more or less just skim and look at what the products say they are (at max) capable of.

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Also make sure you get an SCT tuner. It is the most supported by the Mustang tune shops, and the base kernels of the tuning shops software has been around long enough to get bugs out.

Bama has good tunes, but someday you might what to try another tune shop out for some special mod, and you would not want to have to buy another tuner again if that shop didn't support that other tuner brand.
Ordered the Bama X4/SF4 Power Flash Tuner since it's the newly updated version of the X3. You'll have to forgive my ignorance but is the Bama tuner a SCT tuner? I've researched more on Bama tunes than the actual tuner itself. Since the Bama team seems like a good route for beginners in this area, that's why I chose them.

Since I've already placed my order and filled out the questionnaire I'm still going with the Bama X4 even if it's not an SCT. If down the road the Bama team just doesn't fit my needs anymore I'll pick up another tuner, odds are I won't even have the same car as right now. I mean, I'm rocking the V6 now because in stock form it pretty much gives me what I want, but if I'm getting antsy for more power and torque, and bigger mods I'll most likely be sporting a v8 by then.
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Most HP gains are at the highest end of the curve in "perfect" conditions. Take 20% off the quoted gains on most mods and of its a little more than that GREAT!
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Bama Sells SCT and Diablo tuners. The ones you selected are SCT's with their label on them, your all set.

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Most HP gains are at the highest end of the curve in "perfect" conditions. Take 20% off the quoted gains on most mods and of its a little more than that GREAT!
Thanks! User experience like that is what I was aiming for, personal "rule of thumb" type of direction.

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Bama Sells SCT and Diablo tuners. The ones you selected are SCT's with their label on them, your all set.

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Perfect! I know that when I was reading up on tuners that the names were being all intertwined, and that's why I just researched more on the Bama tunes specifically.

Thanks for the clarification!
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