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Old 04-30-2014, 11:29 AM   #1
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Lowering springs, I need help

So here's my dilemma. I hate the stock wheel gap on my 2013 pony. I have stock 18 inch gunmetal rims and hope to completely eliminate, or get close to having no wheel gap. I've been interested in the H&R Super Sport spings, however from what I've read I will need to buy a adjustable panhard bar, shocks, struts, and caster realignment bolts. Is this correct? Also, will this even solve my dilemma? I am curious about the SR Performance springs, does anyone have them, do they eliminate the wheel gap? I want to lower my car the correct way, but I would also like to save money if possible.
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Sounds like you have a good list there. You should be good to go.

In my opinion, to completely eliminate tire gap you need to run a taller tire. I did Eibach Pro kit with the stock 18's and it wasnt nearly enough. I swapped out the 18's for 20's and now its perfect for me.
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I have the sr performance springs on my gt, is say wheel gap is pretty much eliminated in the front and it's minimal in the back. Yes you will need a panhard bar
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this is my car on nothing but hnr lowering springs nothing else
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this is my car on nothing but hnr lowering springs nothing else

Thank you so much for this picture, sick car btw love the vinyl! What size wheels do you have? You said you only have H&R springs, so no shocks/struts or panhard bar? How is the ride with solely the springs?
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h&r SS springs look amazing! however i'd definetly invest in some better shocks and struts or your ride quality will be crap. My buddy has these springs and i only want to ride in his car for about 20 mins, then i'm tired of being beaten lol. But if you dont mind a firm ride then you will like these
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If you don't mind for a long read, I'll leave you some info I've gathered over the past year or so.

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As others have said, just doing springs will most likely result in a worse ride quality. I've read pairing springs/shocks/struts of the same brand will result in the best ride quality and performance (since they're all manufactured and tested together by the same company).

You definitely want to install supporting mods too or you'll risk major damage to your pony. Since you're lowering your car, to realign the vertical shift an adjustable upper control arm is necessary. I've read either a pair of lower control arm relocation brackets or aftermarket lower control arms (or the combo of both) also help, not entirely sure if necessary, but all I know is the stock LCA's really suck to begin with.

Another must is either camber bolts or caster camber plates ($200-$300 but much more durable). A cheap and safe alternative would be the GT500 strut mounts ($100). For drops 1.5" or lower, CC plates are recommended.

Lastly, I've always been told an adj. panhard rod was necessary as well. If I've made a mistake or left something out feel free to correct me anyone.
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I was really considering lowering my car but after doing some research and reading this thread, it seems like in the end you basically need a completely upgraded suspension to make it safe and perform it's best. We're talking over a grand easily.. just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Although I did just find out stage3motorsports.com (which has the lowest prices on pretty much any part) offers interest free financing which could be dangerous! Lol
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I was really considering lowering my car but after doing some research and reading this thread, it seems like in the end you basically need a completely upgraded suspension to make it safe and perform it's best. We're talking over a grand easily.. just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Although I did just find out stage3motoraports.com (which has the lowest prices on pretty much any part) offers interest free financing which could be dangerous! Lol
That's the truth my friend. Parts easily can be $1,000+ but luckily most people can install them in their garage with a few rented tools from Auto Zone to avoid that $90/hr labor fee at a shop. I personally plan to upgrade my entire suspension this summer along with long tubes (another 2grand )
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That's the truth my friend. Parts easily can be $1,000+ but luckily most people can install them in their garage with a few rented tools from Auto Zone to avoid that $90/hr labor fee at a shop. I personally plan to upgrade my entire suspension this summer along with long tubes (another 2grand )
Haha it never ends man.
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this is my car on nothing but hnr lowering springs nothing else
Sick car!!!!! This is mine with just SR lowering springs and j&m adj panhard bar.

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This was the day they were installed, they have since settled a little more.

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This is with just the sr springs still a bit of a wheel gap but it is so much better and some 19 or 20 inch staggered rims will make this look so good!!!
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Wow thank you for all of the great feedback guys!! You all rock!
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This is with just the sr springs still a bit of a wheel gap but it is so much better and some 19 or 20 inch staggered rims will make this look so good!!!

Thank you for uploading a before and after picture! I have those exact rims, you really helped me decide I think I'll get the SR springs, they look great!

Btw.. Off topic, but are your driver/passenger windows tinted? If so, what % are they tinted?
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Thank you for uploading a before and after picture! I have those exact rims, you really helped me decide I think I'll get the SR springs, they look great!

Btw.. Off topic, but are your driver/passenger windows tinted? If so, what % are they tinted?

Ya my side windows are 5%
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Ya my side windows are 5%
Sick.lol

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I have SRs and they're amazing ! Didn't need anything else. They fit without gt500 strut mounts or any of that other stuff. Been 4 weeks and no probs
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Obviously they will 'fit' w/o supporting mods. You have some research to do my friend.
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I have SRs and they're amazing ! Didn't need anything else. They fit without gt500 strut mounts or any of that other stuff. Been 4 weeks and no probs
You should do the adjustable panhard bar because your rear axle is more than likely not centered after the drop.

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Do you think I can safely get away with running just eibach lowering springs and a panhard bar? At least just until I can save to do the rest of my suspension. I really want rims and want to eliminate that dreaded wheel gap but I don't want to have to wait 3 months to save for the entire suspension kit also.
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Do you think I can safely get away with running just eibach lowering springs and a panhard bar? At least just until I can save to do the rest of my suspension. I really want rims want to eliminate that dreaded wheel gap but I don't want to have to wait 3 months to save for the entire suspension kit also.
What's the drop? As long as you don't go more than 1.5 your OK. Just make sure you get an alignment after 500 or so miles, and get the adjustable panhard bar because your Axel will offset after the drop. Cheers.

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What's the drop? As long as you don't go more than 1.5 your OK. Just make sure you get an alignment after 500 or so miles, and get the adjustable panhard bar because your Axel will offset after the drop. Cheers.

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It would be the sportline springs which they advertise as 1.4" front/ 1.5" rear. But I think that's for the gt's. It says they work on v6's too so its probably even less than that. Thanks bro I think ill be good then.
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Don't forget about an adj. UCA. After doing more research, yeah, the panhard rod corrects the horizontal alignment but when you think about it, shocks are vertical (i.e. dropping/lowering) and alter the vertical alignment of the car. That's what an adj. upper control arm corrects, vertical alignment.

So I'd say the UCA is even more important than the panhard rod.
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I am also adding Springs and glad I bumped into this thread, so basically if you are looking to install Springs you will also need to buy the upper and lower control arms and the panhard bar?

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Shayne from AM told me 1.5" drop with adj panhard bar is fine and so many other people also have this set up with no problems. As just a dd and not a track car I believe this is just fine.

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UCA is typically to adjust pinion angle after lowering and to eliminate wheel hop if still present after lowering. UCA can be a source of increased NVH.
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