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Old 05-09-2014, 07:06 AM   #36
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I recall reading threads in the past to regards of nitrous for the 3.7 and it was highly recommend not to exceed a 75 shot on factory internals. I'm not saying this was or is accurate in today's nitrous standard on the 3.7 but that seemed to be the advice at the time of members on here that were running nitrous on their 3.7. It was highly recommend that anything over 75 shot one needed to get forged internals but stock internals could easily and safely handle a 75 shot.

Any thoughts on that and would anyone agree with that standard or disagree. I know that member was and is the world famous Charlie Santos on here ( ha ha ha) and he highly recommended only a 75 shot on factory internals.
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75 shot isn't ****

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Okay, so based on that I take it you would disagree with 75 shot max on factory internals. Ha ha ha! So what would you recommend the max safe nitrous shot be on factory internals
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Okay, so based on that I take it you would disagree with 75 shot max on factory internals. Ha ha ha! So what would you recommend the max safe nitrous shot be on factory internals
I'm not disagreeing at all bud. I have no clue on what the stock motor is good for HP wise. I was just saying a 75 shot is nothing

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I'm not disagreeing at all bud. I have no clue on what the stock motor is good for HP wise. I was just saying a 75 shot is nothing

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Got you bro. Lol! I do wonder at what point someone would want to install forge internals when running nitrous?

Also is a 75 shot or 100 shot or 150 shot of nitrous actually HP to the wheels or crank. Another words, does a 75 shot add 75 rwhp or 75 HP to crank?
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Got you bro. Lol! I do wonder at what point someone would want to install forge internals when running nitrous?

Also is a 75 shot or 100 shot or 150 shot of nitrous actually HP to the wheels or crank. Another words, does a 75 shot add 75 rwhp or 75 HP to crank?
My stock motor went on a 200 shot. 611 at the tires. Depends on the kit. Nitrous express rates there power at the wheels. But it all depends. A 200 shot with a plate will yield 200 at the tires where at 200 shot with a single nozzle is usually less. About 185

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Got you bro. Lol! I do wonder at what point someone would want to install forge internals when running nitrous?

Also is a 75 shot or 100 shot or 150 shot of nitrous actually HP to the wheels or crank. Another words, does a 75 shot add 75 rwhp or 75 HP to crank?
My stock motor went on a 200 shot. 611 at the tires. Depends on the kit. Nitrous express rates there power at the wheels. But it all depends. A 200 shot with a plate will yield 200 at the tires where at 200 shot with a single nozzle is usually less. About 185

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If the 3.7 can't handle more than a 75 shot safely, then these engines are complete junk.

I plan on spraying at least a 100 shot, really had plans for a 150 shot on my 3.7.

I figure the stock 3.7 should be good for around 500 rwhp on stock internals. So, I figure around 430 - 450 rwhp should be well within the safety zone.
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If the 3.7 can't handle more than a 75 shot safely, then these engines are complete junk.

I plan on spraying at least a 100 shot, really had plans for a 150 shot on my 3.7.

I figure the stock 3.7 should be good for around 500 rwhp on stock internals. So, I figure around 430 - 450 rwhp should be well within the safety zone.
That sounds about right. I wish I would have kept my wife's 3.7 now. I would have liked to play with it

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The rule of thumb with nitrous on a stock motor is a 25 HP shot per cylinder.
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The rule of thumb with nitrous on a stock motor is a 25 HP shot per cylinder.
Lol.

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Great info guys. Thanks. Maybe I misunderstood about the 75 shot on factory internals.
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Lol.

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+1 I'm gonna put a 200 shot on my 13 yr old internals yay!!!!

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We gotta guy around here with a 5.0 auto spraying 150 shot on a nitrous tune and 2 stage colder plugs. It's a monster on the street


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The rule of thumb with nitrous on a stock motor is a 25 HP shot per cylinder.
Whoops. Typo. That's supposed to be 20 HP per cylinder.
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Whoops. Typo. That's supposed to be 20 HP per cylinder.
Still not even a legitimate rule of thumb
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Still not even a legitimate rule of thumb
Had been for as long as I've been racing.
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Had been for as long as I've been racing.
So a 160 shot on a stock 93 5.0 will be safe according to you?

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So a 160 shot on a stock 93 5.0 will be safe according to you?

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Good point.

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Rule of thumb being the operative phrase. Safe for most. Exceptions will occur. Use your best judgement. Most well cared for 8 cylinders will handle a 150 shot with no problems.

My 01 360 had over 100 passes on it with a 150 shot. Know of many more with twice the number of passes.

I have no personal experience with the older 5.0. Being a reliable pushrod V8. I'd be more than willing to put a wet kit on it and spay a 150 shot all day long. This is contingent on the assumption that the motor had been well maintained.
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I'm being completely sarcastic. I'm not new to nitrous. And there is no rule of thumb for it

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I'm not new to it either.

Mind you this is for stock motors. Once the bottom end had been modified. The rule generally goes out the window.
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Still would not recommend a 150 shot on a stock 2v.

150 is the limit on the coyotes. My stock motor on my coyote went on a 200. And now that's its built it has had a 300 on it for a little while.

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If the 3.7 can't handle more than a 75 shot safely, then these engines are complete junk.

I plan on spraying at least a 100 shot, really had plans for a 150 shot on my 3.7.

I figure the stock 3.7 should be good for around 500 rwhp on stock internals. So, I figure around 430 - 450 rwhp should be well within the safety zone.
You are right on those numbers. 500 is where the 3.7 wants to think about new internals. 430-450 it should be fine.
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Still would not recommend a 150 shot on a stock 2v.

150 is the limit on the coyotes. My stock motor on my coyote went on a 200. And now that's its built it has had a 300 on it for a little while.

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I disagree but to each their own. Nothing wrong with playing it safe. The 360s are 2v and a 150 shot is extremely common on that motor.

As for the Coyote. I agree. 150 for most people would be the limit. Now if you dial in the timing and take the time to tune the jetting. I'd rock a 200 shot and feel comfortable.
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I disagree but to each their own. Nothing wrong with playing it safe. The 360s are 2v and a 150 shot is extremely common on that motor.

As for the Coyote. I agree. 150 for most people would be the limit. Now if you dial in the timing and take the time to tune the jetting. I'd rock a 200 shot and feel comfortable.

His stock motor went at 200, he had everything dialed in also. Tuning or not there is that point where the engine can't take it anymore
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His stock motor went at 200, he had everything dialed in also. Tuning or not there is that point where the engine can't take it anymore
What went wrong if I may ask?
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What went wrong if I may ask?
Don't remember specifically, but i believe the pistons and rods couldn't handle it.
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Piston 4 and 6. The ring glands

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Was there any discoloration?

Not doubting that 200 is probably the upper limit on the Coyote but there are any number of reasons for broken ring lands.
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Yes the stock pistons are junk.
Mine went at 611
my budys ring glands went at 547
And another friends at 600. All ring glands.
No discoloration. It wasn't a tuning issue. Simply just the stock pistons are crap. Of you ever get a chance to see than you will know why

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Ford must be using cheap hypereutectic pistons then. I know good ones can handle 600+ HP just fine. Seen it done multiple times.

What kind of rings are installed by the factory?
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My new setup is Manley H beam rods and diamond coated pistons.

Its 11.5 compression

IdK what kind of rings ford uses bud

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I'm trying to put nitrous on my 09 gt will a 86-04 kit work on my car? I found a guy with a used one

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