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Old 05-09-2014, 03:47 PM   #1
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Is it possible to eliminate the "electric power steering" with a complete manual rack in a 2014 V6 base model ?

I was looking at some options at CJParts and AmericanMuscle and found this company called "Flaming river" which makes manual steering racks.
I spoke to both their customer support guys , CJ said it won't be a problem, AmricanMuscle said its not possible.
Then I called up the manufacturer itself - he said that it would work for upto mustangs upto and including 2012 since they haven't tested with 2013 and 2014 versions as yet.

My guess is that it may work for older hydraulically assisted steering systems(upto 2012) but not for electrically assisted ones(2013,14) .
The 2014 is a Electrically assisted..
I'd love to experiment but the stuff costs 600$ without shipping, would be expensive to just give it a try.

Any guesses ? suggestions ?
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The 2011s and 2012s also have the Electric Power Assisted Steering.

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It is still possible on a 2014 V6 base.
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My 2012 is electric assist. I set it on sport mode when I bought it new and never looked back. Great system.
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The 2011s and 2012s also have the Electric Power Assisted Steering.

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Yes u are right ..

http://www.ford.com/services/assets/...stalCode=55401

This means there is hope for 2014 since they are having the same family/series of engine..
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It is still possible on a 2014 V6 base.
Thanks ..
My only doubt was .. these cars have a setting to choose the type of assist required like sport/comfort etc as mentioned by "Midnight2012" also.
If there is a sensor/wiring with electronic link to the steering wouldn't it throw some kind of an engine malfunction light if the electric system suddenly disappeared.

(Similar conversion was done for an older MK4 golf but that had an hydraulic assist so there was no question of something going missing..but in these mustangs there is some kind of an electronic connection etc so I was a bit curious how we can get away with this without a CEL etc ? )

If possible could you give some more info/links etc anything ? I'd seriously like to take the 700$ plunge
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My 2012 is electric assist. I set it on sport mode when I bought it new and never looked back. Great system.
I test drove a convertible version but that was with the default setting (I'm guessing comfort)
I asked the dealer if he could change the setting but he said he wasn't sure such a thing even existed in a base..so I let it be.

Probably I should give it one more go and try out the sport setting with a diff dealer..
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Hi,
Is it possible to eliminate the "electric power steering" with a complete manual rack in a 2014 V6 base model ?

I was looking at some options at CJParts and AmericanMuscle and found this company called "Flaming river" which makes manual steering racks.
I spoke to both their customer support guys , CJ said it won't be a problem, AmricanMuscle said its not possible.
Then I called up the manufacturer itself - he said that it would work for upto mustangs upto and including 2012 since they haven't tested with 2013 and 2014 versions as yet.

My guess is that it may work for older hydraulically assisted steering systems(upto 2012) but not for electrically assisted ones(2013,14) .
The 2014 is a Electrically assisted..
I'd love to experiment but the stuff costs 600$ without shipping, would be expensive to just give it a try.

Any guesses ? suggestions ?


So what would be your purpose on such mod
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All 2011+ Mustangs have electric power assist steering. It takes 0 horsepower from the engine. I 'also' would like to know why in the heck (clean word) would you want to do away with the electric power assist steering???
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So what would be your purpose on such mod

Agreed. 3 different steering modes sound way better than stiff *** manual steering.
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So what would be your purpose on such mod
The feel of a direct rack without assist , combined with some tweaks to the front suspension geometry, toe angle etc feels very alive. I had done this to older car, wanted to do same to this car also.
The only purpose of this mod is "road feel"..
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I'm not sure if there would be any issues with the VCM if i you were to swap out the electronic steering assist. That would be my only worry. As long as Flaming River says it will work with the 2012's, than there's no reason to my knowledge it won't work for the 13-14's. You should give them one more call and ask them if there's any issues with the VCM concerning a 2012 install. If there isn't, than you should be in the clear.

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I'm not sure if there would be any issues with the VCM if i you were to swap out the electronic steering assist. That would be my only worry. As long as Flaming River says it will work with the 2012's, than there's no reason to my knowledge it won't work for the 13-14's. You should give them one more call and ask them if there's any issues with the VCM concerning a 2012 install. If there isn't, than you should be in the clear.

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thx..
I've just sent them an email about the 2012 EPAS queries.
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My 2012 is electric assist. I set it on sport mode when I bought it new and never looked back. Great system.
+ 1 Same here, probably drove about 10 miles on "standard" until i switched it to sport.
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I'm not sure if there would be any issues with the VCM if i you were to swap out the electronic steering assist. That would be my only worry. As long as Flaming River says it will work with the 2012's, than there's no reason to my knowledge it won't work for the 13-14's. You should give them one more call and ask them if there's any issues with the VCM concerning a 2012 install. If there isn't, than you should be in the clear.

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Hi, I got a positive reply from Flaming river about the 2012 EPAS.
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It won't be an issue, a minor CEL will be thrown but we can reset that
Does this imply "all ok" for the 2014 EPAS also ..
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Hi, I got a positive reply from Flaming river about the 2012 EPAS.
Attaching a screenshot of that email.
It won't be an issue, a minor CEL will be thrown but we can reset that
Does this imply "all ok" for the 2014 EPAS also ..
The only other thing I would do is speak with your local Dealership. Make sure they are able and willing to turn this code off. I'd also figure what exactly what the code is first.

Assuming that all checks out, I'd feel comfortable with doing this on a 2014, personally.

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The only other thing I would do is speak with your local Dealership. Make sure they are able and willing to turn this code off. I'd also figure what exactly what the code is first.

Assuming that all checks out, I'd feel comfortable with doing this on a 2014, personally.

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I was wondering this the other day. I don't like electric assist at all. No real feedback from the road.
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I was wondering this the other day. I don't like electric assist at all. No real feedback from the road.
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Did some research : found out the following codes related to steering from the 2011 manual.
P1650 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Switch Out of Self-Test Range
P0552 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor/Switch Circuit Low
P0553 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor Circuit High Input
P1550 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor Out of Self-Test Range
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Did some research : found out the following codes related to steering from the 2011 manual.
P1650 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Switch Out of Self-Test Range
P0552 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor/Switch Circuit Low
P0553 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor Circuit High Input
P1550 - Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor Out of Self-Test Range
Not sure if your Mustang is tuned or not, but you should talk with your tuner if you have one. They may be able to disable these codes for you, so you don't have to pay extra having a dealership disable them. This could save you some hassle at the dealership too!

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Hi.. I just got hold of the 2011 V6 mustang workshop service manual..
As per this - the 2011 seems like a hydraulic based system, maybe its pump is electrically driven(electro hydraulic) instead of direct belt drive ?
For sure its not a pure EPAS.

Following is a paragraph from their tech specs .. Im even more confused..
Power Steering Pressure (PSP) Sensor
The PSP sensor monitors the hydraulic pressure within the power steering system. The PSP sensor voltage input to the PCM changes as the hydraulic pressure changes. The PCM uses the input signal from the PSP sensor to compensate for additional loads on the engine by adjusting the idle RPM and preventing engine stall during parking maneuvers. Also, the PSP sensor signals the PCM to adjust the transmission EPC pressure during increased engine load, such as during parking maneuvers.


Also all the OBD codes are all related to hydraulic pressure ..

Can anyone confirm the 2012,2013 and 2014 : if its a pure EPAS and not hydraulic ?
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Is there any way you could keep all the stock components and just have an even lower assist mode than "Sport"? I like the system but I understand how it feels overboosted.
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Is there any way you could keep all the stock components and just have an even lower assist mode than "Sport"? I like the system but I understand how it feels overboosted.
I think the guys who do the BAMA tunes could do some research and come up with a way to get a "sport plus" for guys who want stock components.
Also do a complete suppression/reset of error codes for those guys who are planning for a full manual rack(like flaming river) like me.

I'm new to mustangs ..but do u guys have a laptop based interface and not just a handheld flash device ? something more advanced which can be used to get into the ECU's brain for tweaking the additional parameters ?

I'm guessing there must be some map somewhere which has relation between the speed of the car,steering angle and the amount of assist etc ?
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Is there any way you could keep all the stock components and just have an even lower assist mode than "Sport"? I like the system but I understand how it feels overboosted.
I drove an InfinityG37x(hydraulic assist) to the showroom before the test drive..it was day and night difference. Mustang felt overboosted ..a heavy car should not be so light on steering feel.
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