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Old 05-20-2014, 09:20 PM   #1
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Rough Shifting / Not Getting into Gear

So it seems ever since I put in the Bama tune my 2011 V6 is having a bit of trouble. Basically it has a few quirks now.

First off, when it's been parked and I go to reverse rather than immediately getting into reverse, there's a slight delay and it "slides and clicks into reverse" that you can physically feel. Nothing drastic but you can feel the shift. More-so than stock of course.

Then the more immediate concern. After it's been sitting parked for a while when I go from 1st to 2nd and then 2nd to 3rd (Automatic trans) it will do one of two things: Shift fairly hard, enough to make the car lurch ever so slightly even with very light throttle. After 3rd gear it's fine and after I've been driving for a while that usually goes away.

Now the most concerning one. Occasionally the throttle will "stick" not physically but it sticks at ~2000 rpm, no matter how much throttle I give it, then it finally "clicks into" the next gear and things become normal. This usually lasts a couple seconds.

I talked to Bama performance about this but I don't think I got the best tech. He said it "might be a bad tune file or fluid pressure". I had planned on getting a new tune when I put in my Longtube headers and X pipe and figured, maybe it was a bad timing setup.

So with the new tune. Same thing. I usually run the 91 Octane race tune, but in the interest of narrowing it down I switched to the Performance and Street tunes with the same results. The one thing I need to do and am planning to do this weekend is take things back completely stock tune wise and run it for a while and see if I get the same issue.

I have nothing other than a tune that would cause any issue like this and I noticed it IMMEDIATELY after the first drive with the tune but I chocked it up to the car breaking in, which now seems silly to me lol

I'm honestly a bit stumped, I want to say it's the tune but would all 3 with different timing profiles do the same thing? Any advice on this would be helpful.
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Something sounds like it's off in the tune file. I don't know how Ford has their setups for their PCMs, but GM's has a rpm and speed parameter that had to coincide before it would shift the trans. If either one was off, it would cause weird shifting delays.

I would have returned it back to stock after the first tune to see if it fixed everything. I can understand some firmer shifters from a tune, but shifting delays? Nada.
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Sucks dude why not just keep it in drive

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Sucks dude why not just keep it in drive

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It's in drive, I meant as it's shifting from 1st to 2nd to 3rd etc.
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So it seems ever since I put in the Bama tune my 2011 V6 is having a bit of trouble. Basically it has a few quirks now.

First off, when it's been parked and I go to reverse rather than immediately getting into reverse, there's a slight delay and it "slides and clicks into reverse" that you can physically feel. Nothing drastic but you can feel the shift. More-so than stock of course.

Then the more immediate concern. After it's been sitting parked for a while when I go from 1st to 2nd and then 2nd to 3rd (Automatic trans) it will do one of two things: Shift fairly hard, enough to make the car lurch ever so slightly even with very light throttle. After 3rd gear it's fine and after I've been driving for a while that usually goes away.

Now the most concerning one. Occasionally the throttle will "stick" not physically but it sticks at ~2000 rpm, no matter how much throttle I give it, then it finally "clicks into" the next gear and things become normal. This usually lasts a couple seconds.

I talked to Bama performance about this but I don't think I got the best tech. He said it "might be a bad tune file or fluid pressure". I had planned on getting a new tune when I put in my Longtube headers and X pipe and figured, maybe it was a bad timing setup.

So with the new tune. Same thing. I usually run the 91 Octane race tune, but in the interest of narrowing it down I switched to the Performance and Street tunes with the same results. The one thing I need to do and am planning to do this weekend is take things back completely stock tune wise and run it for a while and see if I get the same issue.

I have nothing other than a tune that would cause any issue like this and I noticed it IMMEDIATELY after the first drive with the tune but I chocked it up to the car breaking in, which now seems silly to me lol

I'm honestly a bit stumped, I want to say it's the tune but would all 3 with different timing profiles do the same thing? Any advice on this would be helpful.
JoeyM91,

There's a ton of different auto parameters with these cars and they can be very customizable. It sounds to me like there could be some adjustments made with the automatic trans parameters in your tune. Especially since you noticed the symptoms immediately after loading the tune for the first time.

Let me get you in touch with one of our lead Bama Tuning Specialists. He'll work with you until you're completely satisfied with the tranny's shifts. Just send me your First/Last name and shipping address via PM. I'll take care of you from there!

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Old 05-21-2014, 06:53 PM   #6
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Thanks for the reply Shane, sent you the PM.

As an interesting note, I was reading a thread about some folks' tunes getting "watered down" due to our car's Advanced Learning capability. They seem to be able to fix this by removing Fuse #47 for 10 minutes and then replacing it, clearing the advanced learning.

Out of curiosity I gave that a try this morning. Strangely enough, so far NONE of the symptoms previously. My car is still a bit sluggish in comparison to the fresh tune so there's still work to do on that end but it seems the strange shifting has something to do with how the Advanced Learning system is working with the tune profile.
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Ah, sometimes it's nice to know you have a manual trans. Neither are without flaws though.
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My pleasure Joey! I did just send all of your info over to the Bama Team with your exact issues listed. They're going to review your tunes and see if they can make any adjustments right off the bat. Whether they can or not, they'll then ask you for a datalog to replicate the symptoms. From there, they'll work with you until everything is satisfactory!

It's interesting that your issues go away when pulling the advanced learning system fuse. That's another good point to bring up to the Bama Team when they contact you today.

If the meantime, if I can assist you with anything else just let me know!

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What tune do you have? I'm testing an economy tune from them. It's a 87street file. It'll hang in a parking lot at around 2k but that's how the tune reacts.

Now my performance tune is 93 and it kicks like a mule. That's a good thing though in an auto as it's staying cooler and faster shifts equal longer trans life.
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My pleasure Joey! I did just send all of your info over to the Bama Team with your exact issues listed. They're going to review your tunes and see if they can make any adjustments right off the bat. Whether they can or not, they'll then ask you for a datalog to replicate the symptoms. From there, they'll work with you until everything is satisfactory!

It's interesting that your issues go away when pulling the advanced learning system fuse. That's another good point to bring up to the Bama Team when they contact you today.

If the meantime, if I can assist you with anything else just let me know!

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I appreciate the help. I did get a call but unfortunately I work 8-5 so I'll have to take a day off in order to work with Bama.

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What tune do you have? I'm testing an economy tune from them. It's a 87street file. It'll hang in a parking lot at around 2k but that's how the tune reacts.

Now my performance tune is 93 and it kicks like a mule. That's a good thing though in an auto as it's staying cooler and faster shifts equal longer trans life.
I have the 91 Octane Race tune. I expected harder shifts but this feels....different almost like it's slipping. However, so far pulling Fuse 47 seems to have done the trick. At least until the Adaptive Learning system re-learns it's cruddy ways I may look into the fuse relay the thread mentions.
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I wouldn't do that. I'm not sure but I think the fuse does multiple things.

I agree the race tune shifts hard but still not a mule kick you sometimes get in lower gear and speeds. My performance tune did this. Loved it. But my economy tune is just a step above stock tune.
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The fuse powers the PCM. All it does it clear the PCM memory, same as pulling the battery cable. It just doesn't reset your clock and other parameters.
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I wouldn't do that. I'm not sure but I think the fuse does multiple things.

I agree the race tune shifts hard but still not a mule kick you sometimes get in lower gear and speeds. My performance tune did this. Loved it. But my economy tune is just a step above stock tune.
Fuse 47 specifically powers the memory for Adaptive Learning for the car (even manuals have this, it just doesn't affect their shifting) . So far from multiple sources, pulling this fuse, letting it sit for 10 minutes then replacing it dumps the memory of the AL system, thus restoring the tune to original goodness.

The relay people are building keeps a fuse in place to avoid any electronics issues but blocks the AL system from altering the tune. So far no tuning company Bama, MPT, Steeda etc can bypass this feature in the PCM.
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I appreciate the help. I did get a call but unfortunately I work 8-5 so I'll have to take a day off in order to work with Bama.
No worries! The Bama Team is here at AM from 9pm to 9pm Monday-Friday EST. They're also here till 3pm on Saturdays. You can give them a call during any of those hours and they'll work with you!

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