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Old 06-02-2014, 10:15 PM   #1
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I added JLT CAI and flowmaster exhausts, what is your best guess at what my current HP level is at? I just ordered the modern billet retro one and it looks awesome. What do you guys do when other v6's rev at you? Then i look at its a stock convertible LOL
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Really? That's it?
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Unfortunately. Axelbacks do not produce any HP gains, and a CAI without a tune won't provide any gains either. I have a CAI also but I do have a tune, but other than it looking pretty with the hood up and sounding nice there is really noticeable gains.

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It's hard to say but from what I've read the axle back is basically just for sound and would only be 1-3 hp at most. For the CAI you might get some from it but in order to see any major gains you will need a tune to go along with it. I would say with a tune you would probable be looking at a solid 15-20 hp increase though.
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Nah, you guys must be joking with me. LOL. I don't wanna get a tune cuz I don't want to void the warranty. Plus I read some comments on AM that the additional power due to a tune is not really worth it. What do you guys have to say about that?
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You probably lost power actually. The stock air box is really effective. An open filter CAI is going to bring in warmer air.
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Nah, you guys must be joking with me. LOL. I don't wanna get a tune cuz I don't want to void the warranty. Plus I read some comments on AM that the additional power due to a tune is not really worth it. What do you guys have to say about that?
I don't think many here will agree with that statement....
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The tuner is where you'll notice the most gains compared to the CAI. A CAI will produce a bit more power once headers and high flow or off road x/h pipe is installed. A CAI with axelback won't produce anything to write home about.

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Nah, you guys must be joking with me. LOL. I don't wanna get a tune cuz I don't want to void the warranty. Plus I read some comments on AM that the additional power due to a tune is not really worth it. What do you guys have to say about that?
That's erroneous lol the tune alone adds about 15-20ish hp. The faster you throw that warranty away the happier you will be. I voided my warranty about a week after i got my car. No problems yet.
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You probably lost power actually. The stock air box is really effective. An open filter CAI is going to bring in warmer air.
False. That only occurs at a stop. As soon as you start moving, the engine bay is flooded with ambient air temps. I had a short air intake on my old Grand Prix and I used to scan and watch IAT temps, and they dropped fast. I realized really quick that anyone who bashed a short air intake that lacked a "CAI" divider didn't know what they were talking about.

Besides, the main thing that restricts the factory airbox is the baffles in the tubing that are there to reduce intake noise.
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That's erroneous lol the tune alone adds about 15-20ish hp. The faster you throw that warranty away the happier you will be. I voided my warranty about a week after i got my car. No problems yet.
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False. That only occurs at a stop. As soon as you start moving, the engine bay is flooded with ambient air temps. I had a short air intake on my old Grand Prix and I used to scan and watch IAT temps, and they dropped fast. I realized really quick that anyone who bashed a short air intake that lacked a "CAI" divider didn't know what they were talking about.



Besides, the main thing that restricts the factory airbox is the baffles in the tubing that are there to reduce intake noise.

You have to remember the location. Most CAIs for new Mustangs seem to angle back toward the engine, away from the outside air that is coming in. You are getting the air straight off the engine. I've seen this proven. Some cars they do work. Like Subarus with a hood scoop, Mach 1s with the shaker, 4th gen camaro and TA with ram air through the hood.... Not a Mustang when the filter is behind the headlight.
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The stock OEM airbox is more of a cold air intakeI then even my airaid that has a box around it and a rubber seal to help keep out the engine heat. Reason being is the stock airbox is completely sealed and pulls air from the the tube that runs to the front of the car. Even my "seal" that is around the box has some deformation and doesn't completely seal the box 100℅. I'll post pics of it tomorrow to prove this. It has been proven that the stock airbox provides more than enough real cold air and is not restrictive.

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For some cais this is true. But take steeda's for example. The filter Is surrounded by an aluminum housing with a flexy rubber material on the top edge of the housing which seals against the inside of the hood. It also makes use of the cars air inlet behind the grille, bringing fresh air right into the sealed housing compartment. So most heat from the engine is blocked out.
Yes just like my airaid, but key word here is "most heat" where the OEM is 100℅ sealed and no heat will enter the box. Just my 2¢.

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And going back to Sanguin.... You can't really compare a brand new Mustang to an "old Grand Prix".... Better tech from the factory. These arent the days where you can take out your muffler and gain 15 horsepower.
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Nah, you guys must be joking with me. LOL. I don't wanna get a tune cuz I don't want to void the warranty. Plus I read some comments on AM that the additional power due to a tune is not really worth it. What do you guys have to say about that?

All I have to say is that my BBk CIA and axel back performed nothing like what it is right now thanks to a bama tune.. It really ties on all the mods together.. I'm installing my BBK short headers this weekend so should sound even more fierce.. Oh and I have borla S-Type axel back.. No horse power gains off of axel backs they just alter the tone.. CIA is minimal.. But add a tune and wow
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Oh and what is "warranty" lol.. I tuned my car with 10k miles on it.. Like Some one said.. The sooner you void it the faster you will enjoy your car lol if you choose not to it's understandable.. But it will be sluggish IMO.. I'll upload a video of my automatic 2014 V6 with a tune.. You'll love the gear shifts
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And going back to Sanguin.... You can't really compare a brand new Mustang to an "old Grand Prix".... Better tech from the factory. These arent the days where you can take out your muffler and gain 15 horsepower.
Ah, old I meant 2000. My Grand Prix was a 3.8 supercharged with cam, headers, ported blower, custom exhaust, and 3.25" pulley pumping 12lbs of boost to the engine. I tuned it myself doing scans with my laptop and tuning software. Almost everyone routed their intake behind the headlight, just like us.

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The best way to think of intake and exhaust is in the terms of an air pump. You can have it wide open but unless you alter the way the pump functions it can only process so much in and out meaning at some point the restriction is the pump itself opposed to the intake or exhaust.

On these cars Ford actually did a really good job with the intake and exhaust and they are part of the reason these cars make 305 HP probable. On a stock tune the stock intake exhaust flows well enough to more then support the engine. And unless you modify the way the engine works (tune) there will be little to no gains with bolt on's. A perfect example is if you have 2 stock mustangs and one has a supercharger on it all else being stock. Adding the same exhaust and intake will add larger gains for the supercharger application since is is more of a bottleneck to the engines performance.
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Ah, old I meant 2000. My Grand Prix was a 3.8 supercharged with cam, headers, ported blower, custom exhaust, and 3.25" pulley pumping 12lbs of boost to the engine. I tuned it myself doing scans with my laptop and tuning software. Almost everyone routed their intake behind the headlight, just like us.



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The supercharger is why. That's one of the only cases on these newer Mustangs that make a difference with the CAI.
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I have bbk shortys lethal offroad h and roush abs and I'd say I'm Proabally only at 290rwhp. Maybe less. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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I have bbk shortys lethal offroad h and roush abs and I'd say I'm Proabally only at 290rwhp. Maybe less. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I would say you would be around 290 if you got a tune. But honestly these cars generally put down in the 250's 260's to the wheels depending on type of dyno and what kind of transmission you have. Automatics generally experience more drivetrain loss but I would say its fair to assume between a 12-17 % loss in power between the 305 the engine makes and the rear wheels. And with a couple minor bolt on's I don't see a 20-30 HP power increase between the better flowing parts and the cars PCM auto correcting for the better flow. Without a tune bolt-on's dont seem to do much at all due to the factory intake/exhaust flowing so well with the stock tune settings.
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Yeah I do have a tune forgot to mention that.
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I would say you would be around 290 if you got a tune. But honestly these cars generally put down in the 250's 260's to the wheels depending on type of dyno and what kind of transmission you have. Automatics generally experience more drivetrain loss but I would say its fair to assume between a 12-17 % loss in power between the 305 the engine makes and the rear wheels. And with a couple minor bolt on's I don't see a 20-30 HP power increase between the better flowing parts and the cars PCM auto correcting for the better flow. Without a tune bolt-on's dont seem to do much at all due to the factory intake/exhaust flowing so well with the stock tune settings.

Forgot to mention the tune. But yes I have a Bama 93 race tune
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It is not about "cold air" but more about volume. Like stated when you start moving that whole hot air thing goes out the window.
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It is not about "cold air" but more about volume. Like stated when you start moving that whole hot air thing goes out the window.
Someone that finally gets it. Also, you can't get colder than ambient on an N/A setup, just saying.
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Like others have said, axlebacks and a cai will add very little if any extra horsepower. A tune with your mods will add 15-20 more horsepower, maybe....
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Someone that finally gets it. Also, you can't get colder than ambient on an N/A setup, just saying.
Your right, but you also can't get colder 100% of the time than a sealed box where there is no risk engine heat whether stopped or wot. On these 3.7s there really is no benefits of an aftermarket CAI, hey I have one (airaid) and other than looking pretty and sounding good its pretty useless. I've run my car with it tuned and without it tuned and there is no difference. The only difference you'll feel when its installed is the extra little punch the car gives as it re learns from disconnecting the battery for a day or two, not the CAI. just my 2¢. The engine is only going to take what it needs, as proven the stock air box is not restrictive and a CAI cannot "force" more air than the engine requires. With bolt ons a CAI is as useless as a tb spacer for power.......... Ok maybe too far but you get the picture. Lol

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old enough to know about packing ice around the intake......

OP to the 2nd part of your question about reving engine. I've heard sometimes folks do a friendly race if it is safe. And by safe I am talking about at a track. Street racing is wrong.....
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Dude get a tuner and some 3.73 gears!!

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