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Old 07-01-2014, 12:53 PM   #1
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MAC shorty headers legal in NY?

Are the MAC shorty headers legal/will I pass inspection in NY? I much prefer them over the BBK, but if they cannot pass inspection then I cannot get them. I have heard such horrible things about BBK that I will not get them, so its MAC or bust, depending on if they are legal in NY. Any info. is welcome, thank you!
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Well they are not carb compliant only the BBK are.
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Yeah thats the good thing about BBK's is that they are 50 state legal.
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So if they aren't carb complaint they won't pass emissions? Sounds like BBk is my only choice . Thanks for the responses guys, the emissions laws confuse me
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They will pass the sniffer test they won't pass a visual test. Not sure if they have that up there but when you swap parts they have to have a CARB number on it.


What kinda tests do they do in NY?
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NYS DMV - (Brochure) New York State Vehicle Safety/Emissions Inspection Program for Cars and Light Trucks


I don't know how much I was exempt from when I got mine done when I moved here in October (because I didn't fully read the info), but with BBKs, I passed just fine. Don't know of the differences between BBK and MAC though.
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So if they aren't carb complaint they won't pass emissions? Sounds like BBk is my only choice . Thanks for the responses guys, the emissions laws confuse me
That's not necessarily true. Both Mass. and NY are states that follow the CARB requirements but I know in Mass. (my experiences and asking some inspection stations) they don't look at CAI like California does.
You may want to ask around (dealers, inspection stations, other Mustang owners) if they have any experience with the MAC Shorty Headers.
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That's not necessarily true. Both Mass. and NY are states that follow the CARB requirements but I know in Mass. (my experiences and asking some inspection stations) they don't look at CAI like California does.
You may want to ask around (dealers, inspection stations, other Mustang owners) if they have any experience with the MAC Shorty Headers.
Wait I just moved to Mass from Cali and am looking to get some BBK SHORTYS installed. You telling me they inspect emissions here?
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Wait I just moved to Mass from Cali and am looking to get some BBK SHORTYS installed. You telling me they inspect emissions here?
Yup!
Inspection station connects to the OBD system for an emissions test.
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There should be no problem with a BBK Shorty.

So I take it you haven't got a Mass registration yet. Once you do you are required to get a Safety/emissions sticker within 7 days. They just went up to $35.
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That's not necessarily true. Both Mass. and NY are states that follow the CARB requirements but I know in Mass. (my experiences and asking some inspection stations) they don't look at CAI like California does.
You may want to ask around (dealers, inspection stations, other Mustang owners) if they have any experience with the MAC Shorty Headers.
What I was trying to say was that unlike California, Mass Inspections typically don't even open the hood or look for non CARB components. So as long as it meets the OBD emissions test, which it should with just a shorty added, your good.
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What I was trying to say was that unlike California, Mass Inspections typically don't even open the hood or look for non CARB components. So as long as it meets the OBD emissions test, which it should with just a shorty added, your good.
This is true.. They don't open the hood here in mass when they do the inspection as long as there is no check engine light and you pass the obd test then you should be fine. I have Mac shorty and Im due for inspection at September but from the last inspections I got they never open the hood.
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Yikes...well I'm currently running a BAMA Street tune...would that affect anything?
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Yikes...well I'm currently running a BAMA Street tune...would that affect anything?
What usually do is I put the car back on stock for 1 week before the inspection and I have no problem and I run Mpt 93 octane tune.
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Anyone from NY with headers that could chime in on what's passable for emissions?
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Anyone from NY with headers that could chime in on what's passable for emissions?
I believe the question is, Anyone from NY with MAC Shorty Headers.
They are obviously not CARB approved, which which means they may or may not meet emmissions standards.
And the other concern is does NY look for NON-CARB approved components?
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I believe the question is, Anyone from NY with MAC Shorty Headers.
They are obviously not CARB approved, which which means they may or may not meet emmissions standards.
And the other concern is does NY look for NON-CARB approved components?
I think that they CAN look but they normally do not as long as you don't have a check engine light on. Will you always have a check engine light on with the MAC shorty headers? Since the BBKs are carb-compliant I assume I can have those on no problem in NY. I have heard not-so-good things about the quality of the BBK's sometimes shipped and the MAC's are on sale for $25 sell on AM right now
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I think that they CAN look but they normally do not as long as you don't have a check engine light on. Will you always have a check engine light on with the MAC shorty headers? Since the BBKs are carb-compliant I assume I can have those on no problem in NY. I have heard not-so-good things about the quality of the BBK's sometimes shipped and the MAC's are on sale for $25 sell on AM right now
I assume that's $250.
Will you always have a check engine light on with the MAC shorty headers? That's a good question but I couldn't find anything on that subject. If the BBK's passed in CA they should pass in any state.
I have also read some bad things about BBK (as well as MAC). I lucked out with my BBK ceramics at $342 from autoanything.com. The quality was excellent. Surfaces nice and flat and true.
Their chrome BBK's are $285 and I'm not sure but if you are a new customer you can usually get a pretty good discount. (Like maybe 15%)
But I don't want to influence you in any way. Just putting it out there for you.
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I assume that's $250.
Will you always have a check engine light on with the MAC shorty headers? That's a good question but I couldn't find anything on that subject. If the BBK's passed in CA they should pass in any state.
I have also read some bad things about BBK (as well as MAC). I lucked out with my BBK ceramics at $342 from autoanything.com. The quality was excellent. Surfaces nice and flat and true.
Their chrome BBK's are $285 and I'm not sure but if you are a new customer you can usually get a pretty good discount. (Like maybe 15%)
But I don't want to influence you in any way. Just putting it out there for you.
Meant to type $25 off for their sale lol, I have a credit at AM so it would be cheaper from them. Thanks for the info. I had not heard of autoanything.com I am checking them out. I would be going with chrome over ceramic, just for the price difference and hoping I get a good pair. My friend has chrome headers and I love the rainbow color they get after a bit, some hate it I like it. I will probably end up going with the BBK's despite the number of bad reviews people have given it just because they seem like the only option for me. I am not tuned yet, but I'm hoping that they will make SOME difference (I have a Ford racing x-pipe and an Airaid CAI). I assume even without a tuner the combination of those 3 parts (x pipe, headers, CAI) I will still get about 10 HP and a decent amount of TQ, since its advertised 30-40 HP/TQ with all 3 and a tune.
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Meant to type $25 off for their sale lol, I have a credit at AM so it would be cheaper from them. Thanks for the info. I had not heard of autoanything.com I am checking them out. I would be going with chrome over ceramic, just for the price difference and hoping I get a good pair. My friend has chrome headers and I love the rainbow color they get after a bit, some hate it I like it. I will probably end up going with the BBK's despite the number of bad reviews people have given it just because they seem like the only option for me. I am not tuned yet, but I'm hoping that they will make SOME difference (I have a Ford racing x-pipe and an Airaid CAI). I assume even without a tuner the combination of those 3 parts (x pipe, headers, CAI) I will still get about 10 HP and a decent amount of TQ, since its advertised 30-40 HP/TQ with all 3 and a tune.
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Well I wish you luck!
Thank you! And thanks for all the help and info. !
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Why would the shorty headers give you a check engine light?


They don't.
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Why would the shorty headers give you a check engine light?


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I didn't know if they would or not, just wanted to make sure because in NY they auto fail you, check under your hood and check your cat's extensively if you have a check engine light on.
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The "sniffer" test, at least here in Texas, is just checking the recorded AFR from the O2 sensor. As long as that is within spec, you will pass. I have taken cars in that are catless on E85 and passed because my AFR was in a realm they wanted to see. Service station guys typically aren't the brightest bunch (no offense...), they typically just plug it in and send you on your way.
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I passed today. 87 Street Bama tune and the guys didn't pop the hood.

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Do you have headers and are you in NY?


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Good point grabber good point. Thanks for the tips though guys. Also coming from California if NY is anything similar you will NOT pass regardless of CARB or not. They do visuals and if it doesn't look stock they won't test you. (Just trying to add something of use to the thread.)

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Good point grabber good point. Thanks for the tips though guys. Also coming from California if NY is anything similar you will NOT pass regardless of CARB or not. They do visuals and if it doesn't look stock they won't test you. (Just trying to add something of use to the thread.)

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Was just asking, didn't know if you had them or if you were in NY or not lol. Cali is really similar to NY I believe. I would prefer to not have to do a 6 hour install once a year for emissions, so that may rule headers out for me. Still hoping someone with headers from NY can chime in on here.
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Was just asking, didn't know if you had them or if you were in NY or not lol. Cali is really similar to NY I believe. I would prefer to not have to do a 6 hour install once a year for emissions, so that may rule headers out for me. Still hoping someone with headers from NY can chime in on here.
BBK's would definitely pass. They are CARB approved and passed California emissions.
The MAC would probably pass but are not CARB approved.
Fintile just moved to Mass and was concerned about extent of checking.
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BBK's would definitely pass. They are CARB approved and passed California emissions.
The MAC would probably pass but are not CARB approved.
Fintile just moved to Mass and was concerned about extent of checking.
Looks like I'll have to go with BBK's. Now are the gains from the BBKs worth the 6 hour annoying install and $285.....
Grats on passing fintile!
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What sucks about some of this stuff is that even though its not CARB approved it will pass the sniffer. On the other hand it wont pass a visual. Here in Cali. if you dont have a CARB sticker or number...no bueno!! Cops here get extensive training on all this stuff to, so if you get caught they can impound your vehicle.
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What sucks about some of this stuff is that even though its not CARB approved it will pass the sniffer. On the other hand it wont pass a visual. Here in Cali. if you dont have a CARB sticker or number...no bueno!! Cops here get extensive training on all this stuff to, so if you get caught they can impound your vehicle.
And to pass the CARB you gotta pay them thousands and thousands of dollars to have the exemptions. If an item doesn't have that it doesn't mean it will throw a CEL or not pass a sniffer test.


Now if they have a visual inspection where they check to see if you have changed headers, cold air intake, off road mid pipe then they will probably look to see if they are CARB exempt.
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Also in Cali they will still impound you just because they feel like it. Had it happen to a couple buddies and all of their aftermarket is CARB certified and everything but the cops still impounded their cars. I was their for one and it was because the cop felt it was a forgery and couldn't find the carb serial number.

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Also in Cali they will still impound you just because they feel like it. Had it happen to a couple buddies and all of their aftermarket is CARB certified and everything but the cops still impounded their cars. I was their for one and it was because the cop felt it was a forgery and couldn't find the carb serial number.

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Good to know lol, I got some BBK on the way would like them installed by the 1st

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