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Old 07-29-2014, 03:25 PM   #36
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That is the secret with the headers.....primary length (routing will affect this), then the whole which primary feeds into the collector and that has to do with the firing order so that the exhaust pulses help scavange. There is actual science to it rather than just slapping some bigger pipes on there.
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I will be picking up a set of BBK shorty headers this Saturday. Hoping for a good pair
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I will be picking up a set of BBK shorty headers this Saturday. Hoping for a good pair
Chrome or ceramic? Any reason you want to go with those instead of the MACs? Bigshow14 had a really good experience with the MAC ceramics, his thread/write-up got me convinced.

Edit: And since this is a "JBA headers" thread, I should add that I'm waiting to see how those work out for the OP. My mind can be changed.
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Chrome or ceramic? Any reason you want to go with those instead of the MACs? Bigshow14 had a really good experience with the MAC ceramics, his thread/write-up got me convinced.

Edit: And since this is a "JBA headers" thread, I should add that I'm waiting to see how those work out for the OP. My mind can be changed.
Chrome, I think the rainbow discoloration is cool! Msc's won't pass emissions here in NY I'm 99% sure They're not 50 state carb certified like BBK
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What are the benefits of shorty vs long tube?


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Chrome, I think the rainbow discoloration is cool! Msc's won't pass emissions here in NY I'm 99% sure They're not 50 state carb certified like BBK
Oh ok. Regarding chrome vs. ceramic, I don't think it's just about the discoloration. The heat transfer properties of ceramic keep under hood temperatures down, and the lifetime of the headers is better too.
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There are many other threads on this topic. Long story short (ha ha), long tubes will give you more horsepower on the top-end. Shorty might even decrease hp on that top end. But shorty will give you more torque on the low-end, which is needed for the 3.7L. Another major difference is that shorties can bolt-on directly to your stock mid-pipes, whereas long tubes will require you to get a new mid-pipe too. And the install is easier for shorties.

All that said, those who are looking to make big hp numbers on the dyno will frequently go long-tubes, along with high-flow or off-road mid-pipes. For me as a DD, I want to go with shorties for more torque off the line and deeper tone, not to mention saving money by installing myself more easily and not needing a new midpipe.
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There are many other threads on this topic. Long story short (ha ha), long tubes will give you more horsepower on the top-end. Shorty might even decrease hp on that top end. But shorty will give you more torque on the low-end, which is needed for the 3.7L. Another major difference is that shorties can bolt-on directly to your stock mid-pipes, whereas long tubes will require you to get a new mid-pipe too. And the install is easier for shorties.

All that said, those who are looking to make big hp numbers on the dyno will frequently go long-tubes, along with high-flow or off-road mid-pipes. For me as a DD, I want to go with shorties for more torque off the line and deeper tone, not to mention saving money by installing myself more easily and not needing a new midpipe.

Ahh, gotcha. Looks like I'll be looking into some shorty headers in the future.


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There are many other threads on this topic. Long story short (ha ha), long tubes will give you more horsepower on the top-end. Shorty might even decrease hp on that top end. But shorty will give you more torque on the low-end, which is needed for the 3.7L. Another major difference is that shorties can bolt-on directly to your stock mid-pipes, whereas long tubes will require you to get a new mid-pipe too. And the install is easier for shorties.

All that said, those who are looking to make big hp numbers on the dyno will frequently go long-tubes, along with high-flow or off-road mid-pipes. For me as a DD, I want to go with shorties for more torque off the line and deeper tone, not to mention saving money by installing myself more easily and not needing a new midpipe.
+1 to everything you said, those are the reasons why I'm going shorty. I'm really going chrome over ceramic just to save the $100... I feel like the underhood temp. isn't enough of a concern for me, I just have a DD mustang not a track star. I know $100 isn't a lot, but if it was $40 I'd get ceramic.... Spending $600 on Borla AB too... so the $100 savings helps...lmao
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If these get dynod and provide some good power I may consider. Really I'm waiting on either these or I'll go with MAC ceramic. Still have a little time till that happens so I'm looking forward to what numbers show, although I know it won't be much.


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+1 to everything you said, those are the reasons why I'm going shorty. I'm really going chrome over ceramic just to save the $100... I feel like the underhood temp. isn't enough of a concern for me, I just have a DD mustang not a track star. I know $100 isn't a lot, but if it was $40 I'd get ceramic.... Spending $600 on Borla AB too... so the $100 savings helps...lmao
Trust me on this one, spend the extra coin and get the ceramic coating. The extra heat from the chrome headers is pretty extensive. At full operating temperature I could put my hand inches from the headers and they also cool quickly. Extra heat underhood affects all out performance for dd not just at the track. Just my 2 coins
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Trust me on this one, spend the extra coin and get the ceramic coating. The extra heat from the chrome headers is pretty extensive. At full operating temperature I could put my hand inches from the headers and they also cool quickly. Extra heat underhood affects all out performance for dd not just at the track. Just my 2 coins
Agreed. Your headers are straight from the engine, the temps are ungodly high. I know, I worked for Ford Research and Advanced Engineering on powertrain controls, I'd see these temps in real life. Especially with your new MPT and Bama race tunes that seem have given you a heavy foot, lol. You WILL have high underhood temps.

It's funny how people get CAI to suck "cold air" even though the stock intake manifold is already kind of a CAI, but then no worries about chrome shorty headers...

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Agreed. Your headers are straight from the engine, the temps are ungodly high. I know, I worked for Ford Research and Advanced Engineering on powertrain controls, I'd see these temps in real life. Especially with your new MPT and Bama race tunes that seem have given you a heavy foot, lol. You WILL have high underhood temps.

It's funny how people get CAI to suck "cold air" even though the stock intake manifold is already kind of a CAI, but then no worries about chrome shorty headers...

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Maybe I will go with the ceramic instead LOL. I got the CAI for the noise and under hood looks lol. Grabbed it used for an amazing price


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Maybe I will go with the ceramic instead LOL. I got the CAI for the noise and under hood looks lol. Grabbed it used for an amazing price


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I mean will chrome actually make me slower? The gains will be the same right ceramic or chrome


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I mean will chrome actually make me slower? The gains will be the same right ceramic or chrome
No, you should have better gains with ceramic. Ceramic insulates heat better than chrome, meaning your exhaust gases will be HOTTER (heat is staying inside the tubes), meaning the gases will be less dense, meaning they will flow out faster. In an engine, the more air you pull in and the more air you push out, the more power you make.

Which brings us to the second point, chrome headers insulate heat worse, meaning underhood air will be hotter (heat is leaving the tubes), meaning underhood air will be less dense, meaning your intake is pulling in less air. I actually don't know how much of an effect that will make all the way at your intake. Maybe not much. But what will happen is higher underhood temps are bad for the life of everything under your hood.

Finally, chrome corrodes and ceramic does not.
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For me not only for the engine heat, no corrosion, and low end (sense I'm going with shorts) it also just piece of mind. I've had many applications but never ceramic but my friends have.. Very promising.


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Really considering these has any one bought them yet

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A member on fb Cyclone Mustangs ordered them from Autoanything and was told it would be September before they shipped.

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I think I might get them I mean there 237 right now and stainless

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How are you getting them for $237. I see $267

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I ment 267 sorry

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NP, I would of definitely jumped on that

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Idk I think stainless is just as good as ceramic it's definitely better than chrome

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I would call and see if the timeline has been pushed back. They weren't in stock.
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Idk I think stainless is just as good as ceramic it's definitely better than chrome

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So is it worth picking these up over the BBK ceramics?
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I would not recommend it. I bought and returned these, was not happy with the quality.

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Bbk pipe sizing is 1.75 inch, while it's 1.5 for JBA. I'm guessing this translates to 'slightly' louder and better throttle response down low for JBA due to faster exhaust velocity in smaller pipes. However since their pipes differ just by .25" , I doubt you will be able to feel any significant difference in performance/exhaust note. What it boils down to is their construction - quality of welds, the design itself if it's any different.

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