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Old 07-22-2014, 11:53 AM   #1
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4.10 gears

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If I am going to order 4.10 gears, do I have to order the installation kit as well?

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I would, you don't want to reuse the stock stuff, or worse, if it gets damaged during uninstall you're SOL. Aside from the install kit you will need a new pinion bearing as well, I think mine was like $40-$60 from Ford Racing, or something like that. You're also going to need Gear oil and the Ford friction modifier.. you're almost better off just getting this, trust me:
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Quick one:

If I am going to order 4.10 gears, do I have to order the installation kit as well?

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It depends on how old your current gears are. Under 15K miles, not really necessary. If you are really going to a Procharger, I wouldn't go any lower than 3.73s, especially if you have a manual tranny. You'll spend all your time spinning tires.
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It depends on how old your current gears are. Under 15K miles, not really necessary. If you are really going to a Procharger, I wouldn't go any lower than 3.73s, especially if you have a manual tranny. You'll spend all your time spinning tires.
+1, IMO 3.73s would be the limit on a manual dd, I also did just the gear and pinion, my car at the time had only 15k. Its as quiet as the OEM 2.73s that were replaced. But if you have the extra coin the whole kit isn't a bad idea either. Like you mentioned it depends on what type and how much milage is on it.

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I talked to a place that does gear installs and what he said makes sense. Once youre in there you might as well replace every thing. He didnt charge any more to do the extra parts since its already taken apart. Personally, I would buy a complete install kit and do it all.
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The bearings will mate to the wear surface, kinda like new brake pads and rotors. It is best to do it all at once. The monta with modding cars is that the cheap man pays twice. You dont want to have to pay someone to take this all off again, just do it while you're in there.
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The bearings will mate to the wear surface, kinda like new brake pads and rotors. It is best to do it all at once. The monta with modding cars is that the cheap man pays twice. You dont want to have to pay someone to take this all off again, just do it while you're in there.
Not exactly correct. No moving part of the bearing touches the pinion. The bearing race does and that does not move relative to the pinion shaft. The only parts that actually touch are the ring and pinion, both of which will be new.

While that mantra about the cheap man may indeed be true, under normal wear and tear, especially in low mileage situations it is extremely rare for differential bearings to wear. Blackstone Labs Blackstone Labs will do a metal content analysis for less than $20. That can save you some bucks.

I replaced the gears in both of my cars. I bought the bearing set with my first ring and pinion and was told by my mechanic that the originals were perfect and did not require replacement. With plans of changing the gears in my older car also I decided to change the bearings in it. When torn apart I was told the same thing. I now have a spare set of diff bearings. That was 10K miles ago for one car and 30K for the other. Neither have any indications of wear to date.

Good luck, whatever you decide.
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Derp about the bearing race. Point remains the same though.
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@voltwings Full Kit in AM is out of stock... need to find a site that is easy for international orders. So far amazon works for me

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I'm running on AT tranny. So is the 4.10 okay?

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Not exactly correct. No moving part of the bearing touches the pinion. The bearing race does and that does not move relative to the pinion shaft. The only parts that actually touch are the ring and pinion, both of which will be new.

While that mantra about the cheap man may indeed be true, under normal wear and tear, especially in low mileage situations it is extremely rare for differential bearings to wear. Blackstone Labs Blackstone Labs will do a metal content analysis for less than $20. That can save you some bucks.

I replaced the gears in both of my cars. I bought the bearing set with my first ring and pinion and was told by my mechanic that the originals were perfect and did not require replacement. With plans of changing the gears in my older car also I decided to change the bearings in it. When torn apart I was told the same thing. I now have a spare set of diff bearings. That was 10K miles ago for one car and 30K for the other. Neither have any indications of wear to date.

Good luck, whatever you decide.
Well said, my analogy exactly. Sometimes it just takes a little common sense, if the car is a dd and relatively new (15k and under) your pretty much replacing new parts....with new parts. If the car has some miles and wear and tear on her, 50k +, better to do all at once and avoid any headaches down the line. Its the car owners decision.

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Also remember to get 3 bottles of gears oil and some friction modifier. I got my changed at a local shop. Sam 4.10 gears
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Also remember to get 3 bottles of gears oil and some friction modifier. I got my changed at a local shop. Sam 4.10 gears
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Not exactly correct. No moving part of the bearing touches the pinion. The bearing race does and that does not move relative to the pinion shaft. The only parts that actually touch are the ring and pinion, both of which will be new.

While that mantra about the cheap man may indeed be true, under normal wear and tear, especially in low mileage situations it is extremely rare for differential bearings to wear. Blackstone Labs Blackstone Labs will do a metal content analysis for less than $20. That can save you some bucks.

I replaced the gears in both of my cars. I bought the bearing set with my first ring and pinion and was told by my mechanic that the originals were perfect and did not require replacement. With plans of changing the gears in my older car also I decided to change the bearings in it. When torn apart I was told the same thing. I now have a spare set of diff bearings. That was 10K miles ago for one car and 30K for the other. Neither have any indications of wear to date.

Good luck, whatever you decide.
The car is having roughly 14k miles so i assume internals are still good...

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