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Old 07-28-2014, 09:05 PM   #1
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Turbo or supercharger

I don't know the difference, but is there a turbo kit for 2014 v6 out yet?


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Yes, lpfbuilt.com.

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To put it extremely basic both a supercharger and turbo create 'boost' by forcing air into the engine. The difference is a supercharger creates boost by a pulley and is belt driven off the engine. While a turbo is essentially a double sided fan. One side is in the exhaust the other in the intake. As the exhaust passes through it spins to create boost and force air into the engine.

If you youtube 'how a turbo works' and 'how a supercharger' works it should provide some good visuals that should better see the concept of each. As far as which is better there really isn't an 'better' choice as both have advantages and disadvantages, although generally turbos are more efficient.
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There really isn't a good proven turbo kit on the market yet.

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There really isn't a good proven turbo kit on the market yet.

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True but I have confidence in justin and his shop. He built a really good friend's coyote, and his lightning b4 that.
He may not be the 100% on customer service, but that will come with time.

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Give it a little time and you will see

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True but I have confidence in justin and his shop. He built a really good friend's coyote, and his lightning b4 that.
He may not be the 100% on customer service, but that will come with time.

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Give it a little time and you will see

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True but I have confidence in justin and his shop. He built a really good friend's coyote, and his lightning b4 that.
He may not be the 100% on customer service, but that will come with time.

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Give it a little time and you will see

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In time I think LPF will be the frontrunner, but personally I want to let them have some more R&D time before I look at it as a serious option. Granted, it's already worlds better than Hellion's failed attempt lol
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Jaja thanks guys... But what will "hurt" my car less?


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Jaja thanks guys... But what will "hurt" my car less?


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A Supercharger has a small parasitic effect, meaning it WILL cause more wear than the turbos, but if installed incorrectly the turbos can be dangerous.

Moral of the story: Don't be cheap. Get them set up by people who know what they're doing and you'll be fine.
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Anything cause damage to your motor. More homework will help lessen the blow

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If I'm not mistaken, the procharger kit does not create boost when operating normal driving. No wear is on the engine when driving normal and not in the mid to upper RPM's.
Unless I'm missing something, the boost goes right out the vacuum so no stress on engine at all.
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If I'm not mistaken, the procharger kit does not create boost when operating normal driving. No wear is on the engine when driving normal and not in the mid to upper RPM's.
Unless I'm missing something, the boost goes right out the vacuum so no stress on engine at all.
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A supercharger taps into the crank (thus why you have to drill a whole for the small dowel to your crankshaft during the installation). A centrifugal supercharger ( like the Procharger) doesn't ramp up until the higher RPMs, however the parasitic effect is still there, it's just less than a traditional twin-screw style that allows boost right out of the gate,
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A supercharger taps into the crank (thus why you have to drill a whole for the small dowel to your crankshaft during the installation). A centrifugal supercharger ( like the Procharger) doesn't ramp up until the higher RPMs, however the parasitic effect is still there, it's just less than a traditional twin-screw style that allows boost right out of the gate,
Oh, I see. Thanks sir. Great info.

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Smaller turbos can many times reach full boost much sooner than superchargers (roots type excluded), which are limited to a set boost vs RPM curve .

I wish more of the turbo kits concentrated on low end boost. These 6's really lack low end, but have plenty of power for me up top, even bone stock. Would love to see something around 250 ft-lbs to the wheels @ 1500-1800 RPM.
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If you dont know the difference, you dont need one lol.
Do some engine research and decide which fits your needs. I believe a supercharger will put less stress on your motor for daily driving, but a turbo would be just badass
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From what I've learned and read superchargers are more for street fun and pulling toward off the line and turbos are more for 1/4 mile racing


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From what I've learned and read superchargers are more for street fun and pulling toward off the line and turbos are more for 1/4 mile racing


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depends on SOOOO many factors. What size compressor are you using, what size AR housing, billit or cast wheels, journal or ball bearings.

You can have a turbo build blistering low end torque, but fall completely on its face by 5000 rpms because its way too small. You can also have a turbo that doesnt even spool until 5000 rpms, but gives a MASSIVE top end punch. It depends on how the car is built / prepped / tuned / and matched to the turbo.

The complexity of these cams really help this motor though, you can tune a very large turbo to act like a smaller one through tricky cam tuning. Retarding the ingition advance moves the flame front closer to the exhaust valve opening (read, more exhaust energy), at the loss of natural engine torque. Well, advance the intake cam (increases dynamic compression) to regain that natural engine torque, and you now have more exhaust energy at the same amount of natural engine torque = better spool.

A supercharger is nice because its just simple, it just is what it is, you put it on and you go. There is a lot more involved when buying / tuning a turbo set up.
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From what I've learned and read superchargers are more for street fun and pulling toward off the line and turbos are more for 1/4 mile racing


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Ssssooooo wrong.


There is so much more to that.
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depends on SOOOO many factors. What size compressor are you using, what size AR housing, billit or cast wheels, journal or ball bearings.

You can have a turbo build blistering low end torque, but fall completely on its face by 5000 rpms because its way too small. You can also have a turbo that doesnt even spool until 5000 rpms, but gives a MASSIVE top end punch. It depends on how the car is built / prepped / tuned / and matched to the turbo.

The complexity of these cams really help this motor though, you can tune a very large turbo to act like a smaller one through tricky cam tuning. Retarding the ingition advance moves the flame front closer to the exhaust valve opening (read, more exhaust energy), at the loss of natural engine torque. Well, advance the intake cam (increases dynamic compression) to regain that natural engine torque, and you now have more exhaust energy at the same amount of natural engine torque = better spool.

A supercharger is nice because its just simple, it just is what it is, you put it on and you go. There is a lot more involved when buying / tuning a turbo set up.
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