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Old 08-19-2014, 09:28 PM   #176
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Probably gonna pick the car up on friday, because of my work/school schedule #teasershot



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Old 08-19-2014, 09:44 PM   #177
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Whats that line to the headlight lol?

It looks like it disappears
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Hey guys, me and coty are gonna work on a list of things you will need to run this kit, and we have provided connor with a list of things that we think should be done to the kit in order to make the install more user friendly

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Yep, the next guy will have it easier than me and coty XD

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I understand the tuning is taking a bit longer but any feed back from the tuner?
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I understand the tuning is taking a bit longer but any feed back from the tuner?

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I'm sure Coty knows also though.


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I got that too when I did mine too. I don't understand the reference lol

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???? I meant feedback as for how well the system was tuning. What's the secret all about?
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???? I meant feedback as for how well the system was tuning. What's the secret all about?

I don't know what Clamphier is talking about, but I'll say this. The car is still tuning and there is already a base number but it's still a rough number before the real tuning. Can't say though, promised not to tell lol


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I don't know what Clamphier is talking about, but I'll say this. The car is still tuning and there is already a base number but it's still a rough number before the real tuning. Can't say though, promised not to tell lol


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That means it must be good. I'm guessing 450-500 to the wheels
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I was talking about the bullitts are better than bullets a few people told me that and I don't understand it lol. Yea I'm the same way lol

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I was talking about the bullitts are better than bullets a few people told me that and I don't understand it lol. Yea I'm the same way lol

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Man, I just read this whole thread and want to see the outcome! I don't even have a v6 but this is interesting. Clamphier, what is your website?
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I was just adding clarification to what he said.


Someone said something along the lines of you can control boost by rpm to whatever you want.


Smurf elaborated on that


I believe you and Connor kind of missed where he was coming from


I used a hyperbole, yes, for the sake of making an obvious example to hopefully bridge the gap in communication because he is right. Well, I suppose you both are. You can tune boost by rpm, to an extent*. Some people who are newer to turbos, or do not have first hand experience with various types of boost controllers may not know that. However, this is not the thread for discussing how different types of boost controllers effect your dyno curve. /threadjack.
No one said "you can control boost by rpm to whatever you want."

The way the original response was written (and the context of what it replied too), leaves the impression (to the turbo novice looking for answers on why turbos are better than superchargers) that the ability of adjustable boost (by rpm or gear) may be so limited, that it will not be an advantage.

So in the interest of full and complete clarification...........

Like most things in life, control of adjustable boost by RPM or gear is not unlimited, but it is a major advantage of the typically sold turbo kit vs the typically sold centrifugal supercharger system.
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Google LPF turbo and it's the first one.

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I don't think it's 450-500 whp. Doesn't the V6 cap out at 450 before you have to do work on the engine?
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CL has his at 600. It's a shame he couldn't pre load his tune to the tuner. Might be easier to get started with the tunning process.

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I don't think it's 450-500 whp. Doesn't the V6 cap out at 450 before you have to do work on the engine?
Yep. You want to stay around 450 rwhp and not much more on factory internals. Having a turbo kit make 500 or 600 plus rwhp does no good if someone is not going to forge the engine.

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Saying 450rwhp is the limit is not true. No one knows what the true limit and longevity of the engine is if it has a good tune and is not beat on constantly. Tuning is the most important part.
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Saying 450rwhp is the limit is not true. No one knows what the true limit and longevity of the engine is if it has a good tune and is not beat on constantly. Tuning is the most important part.
I agree with the tuning. You can blow your motor with 350 if your tune is crap, but also the strength of the engine is where your guessing. Engines do have HP limits regardless of tune. Procharger caps theirs to make 450 so it is more reliable possibly due to blowing the motor a couple times going past it. Still with FI on a motor and vehicle like this is not something you want to experiment with unless you have the money to replace busted parts. Besides I'm sure most will be content with even 425 whp. In a car that light with that power it would be difficult for most cars to even keep up unless they too are boosted.
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I agree with the tuning. You can blow your motor with 350 if your tune is crap, but also the strength of the engine is where your guessing. Engines do have HP limits regardless of tune. Procharger caps theirs to make 450 so it is more reliable possibly due to blowing the motor a couple times going past it. Still with FI on a motor and vehicle like this is not something you want to experiment with unless you have the money to replace busted parts. Besides I'm sure most will be content with even 425 whp. In a car that light with that power it would be difficult for most cars to even keep up unless they too are boosted.
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425 to the wheels is still like 175hp then stock...
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I agree with the tuning. You can blow your motor with 350 if your tune is crap, but also the strength of the engine is where your guessing. Engines do have HP limits regardless of tune. Procharger caps theirs to make 450 so it is more reliable possibly due to blowing the motor a couple times going past it. Still with FI on a motor and vehicle like this is not something you want to experiment with unless you have the money to replace busted parts. Besides I'm sure most will be content with even 425 whp. In a car that light with that power it would be difficult for most cars to even keep up unless they too are boosted.
True there are limits to every engine but I was just saying no one knows for our engines as high boost, time and daily driving on boosted sixer hasn't happened yet with the stock motor. To be honest I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get 500-525 at the wheels on a good tune and have the motor last a long time Alefire. Just don't beat on it alot and you'll be fine.
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"450 whp" is also an arbitrary number. 450 on what dyno? 450 whp at what rpm? 450 at 4000 rpms and 450 at 7000 are going to carry two completely different loads on the motor. Really even if one or two motors blow up, its only going to give you a ball park estimate.

All metals fatigue, and when boosted, you will fatigue your motor faster, but its still almost impossible to measure. 475 whp @ 7000 rpms may blow up on the second pass, and 450 whp @ 7000 rpms may last 5 years. Really there is no way of knowing for sure "when" a motor will go, because there are so many factors and variables.
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Just a heads up guys, I'm getting tuned on a dynocom dyno, so the hp number is going to be a little low, I'm going to go to a dynojet later to see what I put down (dynojet seems fo be more popular)
So if y'all want to donate to my dyno run fund, that would be nice XD

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True there are limits to every engine but I was just saying no one knows for our engines as high boost, time and daily driving on boosted sixer hasn't happened yet with the stock motor. To be honest I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get 500-525 at the wheels on a good tune and have the motor last a long time Alefire. Just don't beat on it alot and you'll be fine.
Just don't beat on it a lot XD
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Sounds excellent fellas. This maximum HP on the 3.7 with stock internals has been covered on other forums. The recommended safe power levels for the 3.7 has been around the 450 rwhp mark if one is not doing forged pistions, rods and crankshaft.

With that said, try for 600 rwhp and report back to us. If your engine implodes, then oops, 600 rwhp is too much. After speaking with forum members in the 3.7 community who have been there and done that, not a good idea for 600 rwhp on factory internals regardless of the tune. But rock out fella's, As rapinator says, break it, just rebuild and rebuild bigger. I love that motto when its not my money and car that's breaking.

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Well I was going to try and help you guys out but the motor just wouldn't give 18psi for 3 weeks making 600 racing multiple nights and driving all over the place. I understand that's not a long time but if you factor in that I had a procharger on the car or a turbo since 6k and now I have 40k that's a lot of miles with boost expecially how I drive my car.

Also I have a spare motor if anyone feels like breaking theirs

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Well I was going to try and help you guys out but the motor just wouldn't give 18psi for 3 weeks making 600 racing multiple nights and driving all over the place. I understand that's not a long time but if you factor in that I had a procharger on the car or a turbo since 6k and now I have 40k that's a lot of miles with boost expecially how I drive my car.

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Here's the thing you have to remember about engineers and engineering. A huge part of our job is designing and testing for failure. Then on top of that, we work in a safety factor. When you get in an elevator and it has a maximum capacity, that number comes from a scientific calculation based on the design and real testing, and then they take that number and maybe cut it in half or three quarters before they post it on the wall. This is so when people push the limits (because people always do) they are still safe.

My point is that it is very possible that the Cyclone can handle 600 hp FOR SOME TIME. Connor has clearly demonstrated that. However, this is NOT an exact science and WE DON'T KNOW what the true limits are. That's because we are changing many factors here, the boost, the tune and timing, the exhaust route... This is nothing like what Ford designed it for. There a reason Ford voids warranty for a tune.

So we are in uncharted waters now and we can't use other people's results of when the engine blew with completely different setups. In a sense Kona is exactly right, even though he's being sarcastic. Run it until it explodes and let us know what you were running at. Then we'll know. Until then, do it at your own risk.

I'm not discouraging running it hard and taking that risk. That's the fun in it. I'm just saying, know what you're getting yourself into and realize that bad things can happen, even if Connor didn't blow his at 600. Anyway, I'm sure anyone serious about the kit is well aware of the risk already.

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Sounds excellent fellas. This maximum HP on the 3.7 with stock internals has been covered on other forums. The recommended safe power levels for the 3.7 has been around the 450 rwhp mark if one is not doing forged pistions, rods and crankshaft.

With that said, try for 600 rwhp and report back to us. If your engine implodes, then oops, 600 rwhp is too much. After speaking with forum members in the 3.7 community who have been there and done that, not a good idea for 600 rwhp on factory internals regardless of the tune. But rock out fella's, As rapinator says, break it, just rebuild and rebuild bigger. I love that motto when its not my money and car that's breaking.

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Recommended by who? There is no proof of 450 being the safe point. Last time I checked no company or person has had boost on there 3.7 for long periods of time. Clamphier 34k mi. is quite some time. Especially the way you drive
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Recommended by who? There is no proof of 450 being the safe point. Last time I checked no company or person has had boost on there 3.7 for long periods of time. Clamphier 34k mi. is quite some time. Especially the way you drive
Clamphier is not the only boosted 3.7 out there. Other 3.7 owners have been down the F.I. route and based upon the failures, the 450 rwhp mark is a safe limit or around there if one has factory internals.

Mustang Evolution is not the only forum on the internet for 3.7 owners. I communicate on other Forums such as The Mustang Source, Fast Ford Mustangs, and V6 Mustang. com. If someone wants any longevity in there 3.7 engine and wants 500 plus rwhp I personally would forge the engine. This is based on recommendations from other boosted 3.7 owners who have been there and done that. If not I personally would try to stay around the 450 rwhp mark with factory internals.

The few thousand it costs to throw in forged pistions, rods and crankshaft is less than destroying ones engine and needing a new one.

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