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Old 08-20-2014, 12:43 PM   #211
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CL, you should save that motor for the first person who pops their engine lol. Freight charges are cheaper than a new engine AND freight charges.

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Old 08-20-2014, 12:51 PM   #212
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Every engine that blew was a tune problem. (except for Solo, think I heard that was a cam problem that led to breaking the wrist pins...)


This engine can run 300hp for I'm guessing 200k miles. It can hold 600hp for several thousand miles. NO ONE has simply thrown too much power at it yet and documented this, they have just failed to tune it safely when doing so.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:54 PM   #213
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Clamphier is not the only boosted 3.7 out there. Other 3.7 owners have been down the F.I. route and based upon the failures, the 450 rwhp mark is a safe limit or around there if one has factory internals.

Mustang Evolution is not the only forum on the internet for 3.7 owners. I communicate on other Forums such as The Mustang Source, Fast Ford Mustangs, and V6 Mustang. com. If someone wants any longevity in there 3.7 engine and wants 500 plus rwhp I personally would forge the engine. This is based on recommendations from other boosted 3.7 owners who have been there and done that. If not I personally would try to stay around the 450 rwhp mark with factory internals.

The few thousand it costs to throw in forged pistions, rods and crankshaft is less than destroying ones engine and needing a new one.

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+1. I believe 450rwhp would be a safe number with a 'supercharger' since what you see on a dyno is a ball park figure 'including' parasitic loss due to a belt driver supercharger. As a guess estimate, real engine power could be in fact around 475rwhp. Which I believe is a safe number for a 'turbo' setup.

Now I don't see a reason why you can't have a safe peak hp number around 500rwhp, since this is something your engine is going to make at around 6-6500 rpms.. at x psi. For a DD, I guess most of us are not going to push it past 5000.. plus of course occasional red lining. But again this is just a guess, reality could be all different.

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Old 08-20-2014, 01:00 PM   #214
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I completely agree with all of yall I wouldn't push it to my level unless you would care if you have to invest in motor parts. But then at the same time I'm sure I probably do more full throttle pulls in one week than most do in a month lol. But like people have said there isn't a science on when a motor will pop so it varies and slight difference in a tune can cause problems.

But all in all I think the cyclone is a great base for boost and it responds fantastically to it!

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Bottom line on the 3.7 there just isn't enough data to support any sort of definite safe number or limit. Most if not all boosted 3.7s are by private owners. No one has really pushed the 3.7 in a boost till it pops scenario. Then do an autopsy to see what went. Then do another motor and see if there is a common failure. But here is the thing, bad gas, hiccup on the fuel pump, boost spike. There are so many variables in a boosted combination. So since there are quite a few prochargers at 450 is and live quite happily there is enough data to say, yes 450 is a safe level.

Clamphier had his 600 hp sustained when everyone was betting on him popping way before that. Solobusa ran for 12 k miles toad racing at 550. A true acid bath for a motor and it may have been a cam chain actuator that took his motor out. North of 450 there just isn't enough data to support any sort of "safe number".
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Old 08-20-2014, 01:36 PM   #216
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Almost worth picking up a spare at this price if you are going boosted. Might be cheaper than the turbo/blower itself.

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Bazinga, Clamphier, Popeye, myself, and even Kona when you really read what he's saying carefully are all saying the same thing. Bottom line is that we don't really know what it can handle in any given setup, it depends on many factors. 450 should be pretty safe. Anything over, we don't really know yet, but if tuned properly and driven intelligently it is very much possible to not blow it. It's not possible to come up with a definite number that is the maximum the cyclone can handle. If you want to be as safe and conservative as can be, go forged, and let other people discover the limits of the motor. Cuz it will happen to someone, you can count on that.

I think sometimes on this forum people talk past each other. Like, they are in 95 percent agreement with each other but get hung up on the fine details.

I'm just happy to see Connor and Popeye agree on something.

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Old 08-20-2014, 01:50 PM   #218
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I think that's the same place I got my second one from. The only thing that I think could go wrong with a solid tune is rings then maybe the oil pump gear just like the 5.0s. We've been in a few of them now and they are actually a pretty stout motor

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The top mount is a cool idea and will be interesting to see how it works out!

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Bazinga, Clamphier, Popeye, myself, and even Kona when you really read what he's saying carefully are all saying the same thing. Bottom line is that we don't really know what it can handle in any given setup, it depends on many factors. 450 should be pretty safe. Anything over, we don't really know yet, but if tuned properly and driven intelligently it is very much possible to not blow it. It's not possible to come up with a definite number that is the maximum the cyclone can handle. If you want to be as safe and conservative as can be, go forged, and let other people discover the limits of the motor. Cuz it will happen to someone, you can count on that.

I think sometimes on this forum people talk past each other. Like, they are in 95 percent agreement with each other but get hung up on the fine details.

I'm just happy to see Connor and Popeye agree on something.

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I really appreciate people like alrefire for being a test mule and finding out how much power will it take to make the 3.7 factory internals potential implode. Its always better to let someone else spend their money on blowing their engine up, removing the engine, dissecting the engine too see what went wrong, fix or replace engine, fix tune if needed and see if it blows up again.

For me, if I wanted to run 550 plus rwhp on my 3.7 I personally would just invest into forging the engine however that's just me.

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Old 08-20-2014, 02:49 PM   #221
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When stuff breaks on these it's normally just rings so it's not crazy detrimental. But if I was planning on making serious power safely definitely just forge it from the get go or have a second motor ready to go

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Id check out the three sub boxes that they have on ebay. They have more surface area then 2 12's and take up as much room as 2 10's... SWEET! They mount facing the backs of the rear seats so they have competition looks if you want it that way


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Old 08-20-2014, 02:59 PM   #223
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When stuff breaks on these it's normally just rings so it's not crazy detrimental. But if I was planning on making serious power safely definitely just forge it from the get go or have a second motor ready to go

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So, when you say serious power, your talking how much power?

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Old 08-20-2014, 03:06 PM   #224
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Between 600-800. I'd say 450-550 is fine for the everyday driver especially with meth or e85 I don't think you would have a problem. Thing that breaks motors is heat and detonation

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Yes but the only thing I do not like is having a motor that depends on the meth.
Had problems back with my 03 cobra and the meth setup, the meth sytema act up sometimes.

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Old 08-20-2014, 03:16 PM   #226
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Well you don't tune it for meth but use it as a blanket

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Well you don't tune it for meth but use it as a blanket

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Exactly, that what I was saying. Alot of people will rely on it

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Old 08-20-2014, 03:24 PM   #228
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That's never a good plan rather not lose a motor because I'm relying on a 50 dollar pump lol

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Man... I'm getting some funny numbers... I'll keep y'all updated, mainly with final results

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Man... I'm getting some funny numbers... I'll keep y'all updated, mainly with final results

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Seriously, your killing everyone. Post up some early results, good or bad.
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He is just teasing! I'm sure he is getting some real good numbers! If they were bad, he wouldn't be teasing lol


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Seriously, your killing everyone. Post up some early results, good or bad.
I want it to be an accurate reflection, and we're not done tuning. ..

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More interested in seeing the graph and the numbers under the curve rather than a big peak number.

Good luck.

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More interested in seeing the graph and the numbers under the curve rather than a big peak number.

Good luck.
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More interested in seeing the graph and the numbers under the curve rather than a big peak number.

Good luck.

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More interested in seeing the graph and the numbers under the curve rather than a big peak number.

Good luck.


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AND KABOOM! Yep, need forged internals. Ha ha ha ha. Jk

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The numbers are innacurate, lol
If I told y'all, you would pick it apart to pieces lol
Let's just say that the boost spiked because I hooked something up wrong, and i made a LOT of power on pump gas

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Well... we think the boost spiked...
I'll have to talk to the tuner today..

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Well you can measure what the boost hits right? Is it measured on the dyno graph also?


Does your controller or boost gauge have recall?
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Well you can measure what the boost hits right? Is it measured on the dyno graph also?


Does your controller or boost gauge have recall?
Nope, it is measured on the dyno graph..
Just don't worry about it, wait until I get numbers

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Do you have a baseline on this dyno? Or have they baselined any 3.7s? If not, the graph will still be useful, but the numbers will be arbitrary anyways.
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Yes it's the same kit, take that down because I don't want this thread deleted because of street racing

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