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Old 08-21-2014, 09:38 AM   #246
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He will post when he wants to post geeze guys cut him some slack. Would you want people breathing down your neck if you were trying to get it done and done right

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Yes it's the same kit, take that down because I don't want this thread deleted because of street racing

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Nice man, that sixer is a monster. Hopefully yours sounds a little different tho lol
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Sounds good, don't worry much about it not working on the first try. Work out the kinks and let us know when you get solid results. Please also let us know what went wrong though, after you figure it out, so that others don't make the same mistakes and we know what kind of things to look out for. It's the things that go wrong that we learn more from than the things that go right.
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Wait, i just thought of something, it may not have been a boost spike, are you running the Factory 2.73s? You may have mentioned that already but between trying to keep up with 2 threads i cant remember.

If you are, the load its probably seeing is tremendous, and could explain what caused the boost spike. I'm sure your tuner has things in check, but just trying to offer a suggestion in the meantime. I've seen cars pick up 2-3 lbs of boost when we do datalogs in 4th instead of 3rd due to the higher load down low.
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:19 AM   #250
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It has 3.55s it's something else. We've got it figured out now it's all good it's all on the tuner now

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Ahh, didnt realize he had switched. Carry on.
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Actually this is very relevant to the kit. Someone having difficulty in tuning a kit that is hailed as an easy install, well it should be a slam dunk. We certainly don't want to pick anything apart but someone who is on his 4th day of tuning and still doesn't have a handle on things doesn't look very good. The fact that you had something hooked up wrong on an easily installed kit is also relevant.

I fail to see the cloak of secrecy reasoning. Either your tuner is very inexperienced or there are issues. Another reason I personally would not have let this kit be installed or tuned by anyone else other than the vendor. Your struggles ARE the true representation of the kit. I understand you would like for everything to be rosey, hit your numbers and go.......this is a revealing side of the kit.

If it was myself, I would explain the problems and why or how the tuner is a struggling to tune it.
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Actually this is very relevant to the kit. Someone having difficulty in tuning a kit that is hailed as an easy install, well it should be a slam dunk. We certainly don't want to pick anything apart but someone who is on his 4th day of tuning and still doesn't have a handle on things doesn't look very good. The fact that you had something hooked up wrong on an easily installed kit is also relevant.

I fail to see the cloak of secrecy reasoning. Either your tuner is very inexperienced or there are issues. Another reason I personally would not have let this kit be installed or tuned by anyone else other than the vendor. Your struggles ARE the true representation of the kit. I understand you would like for everything to be rosey, hit your numbers and go.......this is a revealing side of the kit.

If it was myself, I would explain the problems and why or how the tuner is a struggling to tune it.
My experience with tuning is close to 0, so i can't answer that effectively

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Well, i think his point is that you could at least give us the Gist of what is going on. Not respondind to WGDC targets, bad MAF resolution ... basically just what the hold up is.
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That he quit working on his car to do another car. The problem the tuner should have realized before, it was an easy mess up it was nothing substantial and it wasn't a main component or anything. Just a vacuum hose and it took the tuner 3 pulls to figure it out just don't worry about it and leave him alone we have it figured out and it should be done soon. The tuner just doesn't have the best communication skills and stuff will be out soon enough

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Don't worry about it???? You want people to spend a minimum of 6 k with a tune on your system, and don't worry about it?
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Don't worry about it???? You want people to spend a minimum of 6 k with a tune on your system, and don't worry about it?

I think he's trying to say its the Tuner's fault.
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It very well may be the tuners fault, and/or the installers fault... however, the official install time is 9 hours and 4 days to tune it. :-p

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KABOOM, lol. Jk.The kit sounds great but I think the pro charger system is where I would be at. Plug and play, way easier to install. 8 pounds boost and over 400 rwhp. Want to run 12 to 15 pounds boost, just forge the engine and call it a day. Easy peasey.

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Yes it's the tuner not the kit, he just goes slow and takes his time and he didn't check something that should have been checked.

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KABOOM, lol. Jk.The kit sounds great but I think the pro charger system is where I would be at. Plug and play, way easier to install. 8 pounds boost and over 400 rwhp. Want to run 12 to 15 pounds boost, just forge the engine and call it a day. Easy peasey.

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I'm with you on this one. And that whine!!!! Sounds so sick. I could install myself, get it tuned, done. Looking like a much easier option. And that has enough power for me driving around on a DD.
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What's the average install time for the procharger?

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About 4-6 hours going carefully/slowly. That's with not knowing what you're doing. Procharger authorized dealers can have it installed and dyno tuned in a day, 2 at the most.
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Joe average can do it over the weekend. A regular shop is a one day install.
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Well procharger does provide a base tune and supports all models now, 11-14. I'd have to get the D1SC head and bigger injectors if I went that route. But you could install it and actually drive to a dyno tuner as long as you weren't rev happy.
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Well procharger does provide a base tune and supports all models now, 11-14. I'd have to get the D1SC head and bigger injectors if I went that route. But you could install it and actually drive to a dyno tuner as long as you weren't rev happy.
That makes more sense and you wouldn't have to be worried with boost spike or faulty waste gates or other issues that could arrive from installing a turbo. Does the Procharger base tune set you up to DD at 6 psi and over 400 whp?

Plus this "parasitic loss" people claim comes from the belt driven Prochargers sounds very outdated. Isnt the idea of the Procharger to have supercharger consistency but with little to no effort on the engines part?

Cars have some loss with belt driven parts anyway. Power steering, alternator, a/c condensers and come to think of it the V6 doesn't have a power steering pump so that eliminates one!
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About 4-6 hours going carefully/slowly. That's with not knowing what you're doing. Procharger authorized dealers can have it installed and dyno tuned in a day, 2 at the most.
Certainly I'm not knocking the turbo system here but if one has mechanical skills, one can install the procharger in 3-4 hours tops and far less stuff too worry about. Its just way easier than this turbo system, fabrication of all sorts. Plug and play and 400 plus rwhp and add bolt on mods like I have, your around 450 rwhp all on 8 pounds boost.

While these guys are hacking , fabricating stuff, worrying about boost spikes and waste gates, I'm there eating a ham sandwich and driving my new supercharged 3.7. Ha ha ha ha

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That makes more sense and you wouldn't have to be worried with boost spike or faulty waste gates or other issues that could arrive from installing a turbo. Does the Procharger base tune set you up to DD at 6 psi and over 400 whp?

Plus this "parasitic loss" people claim comes from the belt driven Prochargers sounds very outdated. Isnt the idea of the Procharger to have supercharger consistency but with little to no effort on the engines part?

Cars have some loss with belt driven parts anyway. Power steering, alternator, a/c condensers and come to think of it the V6 doesn't have a power steering pump so that eliminates one!
I believe the base boost is set at 8 psi.

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Well procharger does provide a base tune and supports all models now, 11-14. I'd have to get the D1SC head and bigger injectors if I went that route. But you could install it and actually drive to a dyno tuner as long as you weren't rev happy.
If I didn't install my injectors, I could drive to the tuner if I kept my rpms low, granny driving

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If the MAF housing was the same size as stock. Otherwise no you couldnt have, injectors or not.

Thats not a knock against this turbo kit, thats just basic tuning.
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If the MAF housing was the same size as stock. Otherwise no you couldnt have, injectors or not.

Thats not a knock against this turbo kit, thats just basic tuning.
That's not true. When I installed my ecoboost manifold the MAF housing was much larger than stock. Not only did it drive on the stock tune it ran extremely well. Wasn't over pleased with idling but that turned out to have been a leaking header that wasn't picked up till late in the tuning cycle. The Spanish Oak based ECUs are pretty damn flexible.
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@grabber, the procharger is a centrifugal supercharger, so almost no noise. It's not n like the legendary whine of the twin screw Kenne Belle on the cobras

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@grabber, the procharger is a centrifugal supercharger, so almost no noise. It's not n like the legendary whine of the twin screw Kenne Belle on the cobras

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That's not true. When I installed my ecoboost manifold the MAF housing was much larger than stock. Not only did it drive on the stock tune it ran extremely well. Wasn't over pleased with idling but that turned out to have been a leaking header that wasn't picked up till late in the tuning cycle. The Spanish Oak based ECUs are pretty damn flexible.

its 100% true, The mass airflow calculation includes MAF diameter, and i have tuned SEVERAL cars going from as low as 2.5" MAFs up to 4" mafs ... there is no ifs ands or buts about it. Regardless of how sophisticated an ECU may or may not be, even changing the diameter as much as .5" is enough to peg almost any modern ECU's fuel trims.

I'm also not familiar with the "ecoboost manifolds" but is the MAF in the manifold? Thats an odd design, so i dont really think you and i are talking about the same thing.
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Turbo spool and waste gate blow off are pretty satisfying as well though. Although I still will have a Terminator at some point as a project car. Just love em.

The which is better argument going on now is a moot point. Install what YOU want. Personally, I think the procharger is good for people who want easy, quick power and don't plan on anything crazy. Whereas the turbo setup offers a lot more potential for people who want to get a little nutty.

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That's not true. When I installed my ecoboost manifold the MAF housing was much larger than stock. Not only did it drive on the stock tune it ran extremely well. Wasn't over pleased with idling but that turned out to have been a leaking header that wasn't picked up till late in the tuning cycle. The Spanish Oak based ECUs are pretty damn flexible.
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its 100% true, The mass airflow calculation includes MAF diameter, and i have tuned SEVERAL cars going from as low as 2.5" MAFs up to 4" mafs ... there is no ifs ands or buts about it. Regardless of how sophisticated an ECU may or may not be, even changing the diameter as much as .5" is enough to peg almost any modern ECU's fuel trims.
So I guess that my car didn't start first turn over with a completely different intake manifold and a larger MAF housing. ****, then I wonder what the hell happened?
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Turbo spool and waste gate blow off are pretty satisfying as well though. Although I still will have a Terminator at some point as a project car. Just love em.

The which is better argument going on now is a moot point. Install what YOU want. Personally, I think the procharger is good for people who want easy, quick power and don't plan on anything crazy. Whereas the turbo setup offers a lot more potential for people who want to get a little nutty.

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Voltwings your wrong mine ran and drove as well. Just idled a little different. But have fun figuring out how to do the procharger install it's about equivalent as our kit I've installed both a few times and it takes both about the same ours may even be faster..

Plus procharger comes with a 6 pound base map and it sucks it wouldn't even drive when I put it on I made a strategy tune that ran better. If you have diablo we can send you a base tune otherwise don't install the injectors and you'll get wherever you are going....

I've gone both options and not because I'm trying to sell the kits but just because I rode in a turbo car and it changed my perception forever the torque is unreal and the efficiency is dumb. I lost 4 mpg with the procharger and had to drill the crank and literally did nothing with the TURBO and gained 8 mpg. Just something for yall to think on

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