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Old 08-17-2014, 07:43 PM   #1
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Sad manual statistics

So I've been reading that manual transmissions are real close to becoming extinct. And no I'm not talking about automatic with paddle shifters, I'm talking about the good old 6 spend manual.
Of all the new cars sold in the us only about 3.4 percent were manual. So from one loyal manual driver (14 years) to others, please we should start promoting these transmissions. Spread the good news lol!!!
Thumbs up for those already with manual transmissions!!


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Over in Europe and other parts of the world manuals are very much alive, .but over here in N.A I'm afraid it is true, we are a dying breed. Nowadays with how much tech is in theses cars its just a matter of time before they go way of the dinosaur. Sad really. : (

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My first car was a manual. I feel knowing how to row your boat should be mandatory.
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I really want a manual transmission although, if my parents had let me get a manual, I wouldn't be in a Mustang. I've driven friends manual cars, but my parents don't know that, so, I'll have to "learn" it with my dad at some point.
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It's out of pure laziness here in the U.S. Most people just see a car as an A to B mode of transportation. So anything that makes that process easier (automatic) becomes dominant.

That said, I do agree everyone should learn. Once you can drive a manual, you can pretty much drive anything. I started with a 90s S10 without a hydraulic clutch. Not fun but I learned.
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I learned how to drive on a tractor in Ireland every summer starting at age 11. If you can drive one of those on those roads, you can drive anything.
If you haven't had the experience of driving on a country road in Ireland, you don't know how truly terrifying that is.

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I learned how to drive on a tractor in Ireland every summer starting at age 11. If you can drive one of those on those roads, you can drive anything.
If you haven't had the experience of driving on a country road in Ireland, you don't know how truly terrifying that is.
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amen to that brother. I know automatics these days are really good, but so much more engaging with manuals. it's sad when we Americans care more about cup holders than transmissions. glad other parts of the world, such as Europe still demand manuals. what's one of the best moments in race scenes in movies like the earlier fast & furious; it's when the racers are shifting. there's a reason they show those scenes; cause it's so dam cool!


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I learned how to drive on a tractor in Ireland every summer starting at age 11. If you can drive one of those on those roads, you can drive anything.
If you haven't had the experience of driving on a country road in Ireland, you don't know how truly terrifying that is.

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I learned how to drive on a tractor in Ireland every summer starting at age 11. If you can drive one of those on those roads, you can drive anything.
If you haven't had the experience of driving on a country road in Ireland, you don't know how truly terrifying that is.


Off-topic (forgive me), but if you haven't had the experience of driving in Vietnam, you don't know how truly terrifying that is. My girlfriend lived their for work for 1.5 years, and rode a motorcycle. Here is a sped-up video she made of her morning commute, using a GoPro on her helmet.


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Off-topic (forgive me), but if you haven't had the experience of driving in Vietnam, you don't know how truly terrifying that is. My girlfriend lived their for work for 1.5 years, and rode a motorcycle. Here is a sped-up video she made of her morning commute, using a GoPro on her helmet.


Holy Hell. They drive on the right, left, middle, through each other.... I couldn't do that. Nope. Then she's off roading... wow. Now that's an adventure. Your girl is a better driver than I am. I am really impressed. All on a little bike. Wow.
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It's out of pure laziness here in the U.S. Most people just see a car as an A to B mode of transportation. So anything that makes that process easier (automatic) becomes dominant.

That said, I do agree everyone should learn. Once you can drive a manual, you can pretty much drive anything. I started with a 90s S10 without a hydraulic clutch. Not fun but I learned.
I learned to drive in a 1971 F800 Dump Truck with a 391 gas motor and 5 speed with a 2 speed rear axle, whats this hydralic clutch you speak of.
Even the Class 8 trucks are getting more automatics, more for longevity over anything else. People don't know how or want to learn to drive a manual trans anymore.
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Manuals have a time and place, unfortunately on my 50 mile commute in traffic it isn't the time or place so I have an auto. I do agree everyone should know how to drive one so I bought a miata as a toy and my kids have to learn to drive that before they can get a license, works perfectly.


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Holy Hell. They drive on the right, left, middle, through each other.... I couldn't do that. Nope. Then she's off roading... wow. Now that's an adventure. Your girl is a better driver than I am. I am really impressed. All on a little bike. Wow.
This will really stroke her ego when I show her that a gearhead from my Mustang forum said she's a better driver than him! But yes, I drive a Mustang and I have a girlfriend who is into bikes. Life is good!

Not trying to take anything away from what you did. Drove a tractor on Irish country roads at age 11? SA-WEET!

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Manuals have a time and place, unfortunately on my 50 mile commute in traffic it isn't the time or place so I have an auto. I do agree everyone should know how to drive one so I bought a miata as a toy and my kids have to learn to drive that before they can get a license, works perfectly.
You are absolutely right. Anyone on this website loves driving, but for the vast majority of Americans, a car is just a way to get around. The easier the better. Therefore Google is developing self-driving vehicles. My 'stang is an auto because if I got the manual more than half of my family wouldn't be able to drive it (and they have no desire to learn). Funny you say that about the Miata - just a couple weeks ago my girlfriend's dad and I switched cars for fun. He has an old red one, looks like an '89 or early '90s model, not sure exactly. It's a very fun car.
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Sad indeed. I've actually never owned an automatic. Learned to drive in a 1968 VW Beetle manual 4-speed, then inherited my Dad's '64 Ford Falcon Ranchero with a 4-speed manual (wish I still had it). After that I had a '73 Toyota Corolla S-5, one of the first cars you could get with a 5-speed manual. To this day that was the sweetest shifting car I've ever owned. I followed up that with an '84 Toyota SR-5 Xtra-Cab pick up with a 5-speed manual, then an '02 Lexus IS300 manual. That car had a crappiest, numbest clutch feel of any car. It also wanted to chatter when cold. Sold that for my current '13 GT 6-Speed manual.

My wife has had a couple of automatic minivans and now a Rav4. All but the Rav4 (knock wood) have had major automatic transmission failures. My daughter's '99 Civic crapped it's auto too. I've spent thousands fixing / replacing automatics and I've grown to hate them.
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I'd give up my manual trans for a good dual clutch gearbox.

I'd still miss that clutch pedal tho.
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Yeah I don't see manual transmissions lasting much longer, I would say within the next century they will most likely be phased out by technology since the new transmissions are becoming incredibly efficient.

Personally, I have driven both, but considering traffic and what I use my car for I could not justify having a manual. If I was going to the track or something yeah I'd love to have a manual, but I'm not and don't see that happening for a long time. Granted, I am not very good at using a manual because I've never owned one, just learned on my buddy's old car back in high school. So could I drive a manual? Yeah, but it wouldn't be pretty until I got use to it.
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Yeah I don't see manual transmissions lasting much longer, I would say within the next century they will most likely be phased out by technology since the new transmissions are becoming incredibly efficient.

Personally, I have driven both, but considering traffic and what I use my car for I could not justify having a manual. If I was going to the track or something yeah I'd love to have a manual, but I'm not and don't see that happening for a long time. Granted, I am not very good at using a manual because I've never owned one, just learned on my buddy's old car back in high school. So could I drive a manual? Yeah, but it wouldn't be pretty until I got use to it.
Within the next century is as long as we need them to stick around, technically speaking.

I knew the concept of driving a manual when I got my Mustang but had only about an hour of experience on a Chevy S10.

I had my friend drive it home for me, practiced for a week, and now if I could I'd never get an auto again. It doesn't take long to get to a point where you can take it out on a highway.

I hit traffic everyday on my way to work, but I still wouldn't take an auto. Just too much fun.
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I learned to drive in a 67 mustang with a six and a manual. the car was brand new at the time. Ya I'm that old lol
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Just too much fun.

I hear this all the time from a buddy of mine or anyone with a manual. He bought a WRX with barely any manual driving experience and he loves it.

It's all personal preferance I suppose, currently my commute to work is literally 5 - 6 minutes through city streets. So the amount of "fun" for me on a regular basis would be pretty minimal unless I drove around outside of town.
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There are some guys I know who want to race me. There cars are listed below, I told each of them that of course I would and we can head to the Immokallee Strip and run against each other. That said I told them I DRIVE so maybe you should race me with launch control off and at least paddle shift. They all say no?!? I mean I know we all love our cars but isn't there something to be said for leaving some driving to the driver??

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There are some guys I know who want to race me. There cars are listed below, I told each of them that of course I would and we can head to the Immokallee Strip and run against each other. That said I told them I DRIVE so maybe you should race me with launch control off and at least paddle shift. They all say no?!? I mean I know we all love our cars but isn't there something to be said for leaving some driving to the driver??

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FYI on a side note I should beat all three regardless right? The RS6 is the only one that really has me wondering

Those RS audi's are nasty man. My friends brother has an RS4 and that thing PULLS. I would have to give it to the Audi, although I don't know what mods you have


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There are some guys I know who want to race me. There cars are listed below, I told each of them that of course I would and we can head to the Immokallee Strip and run against each other. That said I told them I DRIVE so maybe you should race me with launch control off and at least paddle shift. They all say no?!? I mean I know we all love our cars but isn't there something to be said for leaving some driving to the driver??

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FYI on a side note I should beat all three regardless right? The RS6 is the only one that really has me wondering
I wouldn't be too over confident. That's a decent line up. The RS6 and M3, you'll likely lose the RS6 is not slow and 2006 M3 I believe is when they introduced the 4.0L V8, if it was still the in line 6 it'd be close due to the weight. The Cayman might be close.

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My 350Z and Versa are stick shifts but I wanted an auto in my Mustang. I hope to always have at least one manual car but must admit, modern Automatics are great,
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Those RS audi's are nasty man. My friends brother has an RS4 and that thing PULLS. I would have to give it to the Audi, although I don't know what mods you have


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I wouldn't be too over confident. That's a decent line up. The RS6 and M3, you'll likely lose the RS6 is not slow and 2006 M3 I believe is when they introduced the 4.0L V8, if it was still the in line 6 it'd be close due to the weight. The Cayman might be close.

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Ya, I think the Audi is going to get me but we will see. All figuring a da we can go to track same time. The M3 should be a win especially since a converible and that kid said he can win no matter what so said he would turn off the launch control and he is 18 lol. The Cayman actually said nevermind, he said he knows I will beat him.

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Thanks for the post, but I'd like to hear from those who have always driven stick and have not changed to auto.


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I have always preferred driving a manual in all conditions except when driving a tow vehicle. autos are easier for towing.
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we all have 80 years and left to live. Im pretty sure in 2014-2020 they're not going instinct. So You're good homie. Keep clutchin' on! 🙌
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I'm not denying the whole idea that most Americans see automobiles simply as a way to get from point a to point b, thus making automatics more popular. But, I've talked to many Mustang enthusiasts who have driven manuals in the past and they are actually picking the automatics over the manuals. Often times the automatics actually do run better times than the manuals cause of the computer and what not. I see so many more newer automatic GT's than I did five years ago. I like driving manual like most manual guys do, but I don't think it's simply based on American laziness or ignorance by any means - as far as muscle cars go anyways.


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For drag racing I appreciate the auto, and racing a SMG, but daily driving a standard is a must. I have had 3 automatics, and 5 standards. I currently own three standards, and won't be buying an automatic ever again. Maybe an SMG if I get a true performance car (FF, the next GT40/44). But no automatics for me. The true driver enthusiast companies offer them. BMW, Mazda, Lamborghini, so on. Ford will not stop it in the Mustangs, at least not for a LONG time. Mazda offers a standard in the MP5 (van), the 3, maybe the 6, and the CX5. Those are just the ones I personally know of, there may be more.

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I'm not denying the whole idea that most Americans see automobiles simply as a way to get from point a to point b, thus making automatics more popular. But, I've talked to many Mustang enthusiasts who have driven manuals in the past and they are actually picking the automatics over the manuals. Often times the automatics actually do run better times than the manuals cause of the computer and what not. I see so many more newer automatic GT's than I did five years ago. I like driving manual like most manual guys do, but I don't think it's simply based on American laziness or ignorance by any means - as far as muscle cars go anyways.


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This also depends on what kind of track time you want. Drag racing, of course Auto will be better. But road courses, you want the control of a manual. Obviously drag racing is more popular with muscle car owners though.

I don't think the manual will ever go away but become increasingly harder to find on mainstream cars.
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