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Old 08-21-2014, 10:18 AM   #71
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Good luck and in for some numbers.


Are you running Windows 8.1? I heard that sometimes doesn't work with the datalogs.
Yeah that's what I have windows 8.1.. Bought the computer for 700 doesn't do a thing..

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Quick question for you guys does dyno jet different from a dynamometer?

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Before I post numbers I want to know your response..

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Every dyno is different. Dynojets (in my experience) tend to be the "most consistent" across the board, but yes every single dyno will read differently. Most of it comes down to the dyno operator and how they have their dyno calibrated / if they calibrated it for your specific car or not.
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Every dyno is different. Dynojets (in my experience) tend to be the "most consistent" across the board, but yes every single dyno will read differently. Most of it comes down to the dyno operator and how they have their dyno calibrated / if they calibrated it for your specific car or not.
He told me that regular dyno is more conservative that a dyno jet.. You lose about 20 % on a regular dyno than a dyno jet.. His gonna email me data I'll send it to you and Sakib in a minute. I'm surprise with my numbers.

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I'm really interested to see the powerband with those mac Shorty headers. I've had my eye on a set for my GF's v6 for quite some time now.
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I'm really interested to see the powerband with those mac Shorty headers. I've had my eye on a set for my GF's v6 for quite some time now.
Me too. Mac shorty headers have been on my AM build list for a long time. Can't wait to see.
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I dont know guys I am kinda disappointed with the results. Here are some pics first pic is the Mpt second is the stock and 3rd is the steeda.

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I'm really interested to see the powerband with those mac Shorty headers. I've had my eye on a set for my GF's v6 for quite some time now.
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Me too. Mac shorty headers have been on my AM build list for a long time. Can't wait to see.
Plus when Grabber does his run we will have results for the BBK shorties. Although their other mods aren't the same, we might get at least some idea of comparing the two. It will be tough though, for the reasons you mentioned about every dyno being different.
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I dont know guys I am kinda disappointed with the results. Here are some pics first pic is the Mpt second is the stock and 3rd is the steeda.

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Are you still there or did you leave already? If you're still there can you get a pic of the graph, all three of them overlayed, so that we can compare the powerbands? If not, no worries, since you're going to send us the data anyway we can make the graphs ourselves.
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I dont know if you can see them but I'll write it down. The graph still waiting for him to send it to me through email. Here is the numbers.. Mpt hp 234.4 tq 226.2 steeda hp 236.2 tq 222.4 stock 234.7 tq 208.9. I thought my steeda is weak but it actually has more than my Mpt but I can feel butt dyno more on my Mpt. I don't know. I'm confused now.

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Are you still there or did you leave already? If you're still there can you get a pic of the graph, all three of them overlayed, so that we can compare the powerbands? If not, no worries, since you're going to send us the data anyway we can make the graphs ourselves.
I'm waiting for the graph I already left once I get them il forward it to you guys. I'm still frazzled..

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Powerband > Numbers. This is why they tell people to baseline their car stock. If you made 200 whp stock and made 250 with your mods, you've picked up 50 whp.

If you make 300 stock and dyno 350 you've also picked up 50 whp, and since both cars started with the same engine, they should perform identically despite being 100 whp apart (obviouslty exaggerated for the sake of example). Its really just a number at this point though.
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I'll be happpy if I could get 270 with my mod and tune but will see tomorrow.. I saw a guy on you tube got into 301 with just Cai with no tune. I don't know how reliable dyno is but at least I will get a guesstimate hp.

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Sounds like a crazy crazy crazy happy added HP dyno. My 3.7 best dyno at 297 rwhp and I have an automatic with the following mods that would affect dyno numbers:

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Are you still there or did you leave already? If you're still there can you get a pic of the graph, all three of them overlayed, so that we can compare the powerbands? If not, no worries, since you're going to send us the data anyway we can make the graphs ourselves.
Here's a pic of the graph if this help while waiting for the email

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I dont know if you can see them but I'll write it down. The graph still waiting for him to send it to me through email. Here is the numbers.. Mpt hp 234.4 tq 226.2 steeda hp 236.2 tq 222.4 stock 234.7 tq 208.9. I thought my steeda is weak but it actually has more than my Mpt but I can feel butt dyno more on my Mpt. I don't know. I'm confused now.

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Torque is what you feel on your butt dyno, not horsepower. MPT is slightly ahead of Steeda on torque. However, 226 vs. 222 lb-ft is basically negligible, within margin of error.
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Lol there is a LOT going on there, but it looks solid, power isnt even falling off at 7k that i can see. You can probably shift this bad boy a hair over 7k and just ride that flat spot over and over again, it really is a nice powerband.
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OP, was this done on a mustang dyno or dyno jet? Those numbers seem really really really low for a dyno jet.

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OP, was this done on a mustang dyno or dyno jet? Those numbers seem really really really low for a dyno jet.

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It runs on a Mustang dyno not dyno jet and he told me that Mustang dyno is more conservative than a dyno jet and you lost about 20 % on a Mustang dyno.

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Lol there is a LOT going on there, but it looks solid, power isnt even falling off at 7k that i can see. You can probably shift this bad boy a hair over 7k and just ride that flat spot over and over again, it really is a nice powerband.
He set the limiter to 6900 and run only on 3rd gear.

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Torque is what you feel on your butt dyno, not horsepower. MPT is slightly ahead of Steeda on torque. However, 226 vs. 222 lb-ft is basically negligible, within margin of error.
I know it's weird but my Mpt I can feel a lot stronger pull than my steeda that's why I never used them only Mpt.

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Ok, quick question:

In order to do a dyno pull in 3rd gear, you have to put the car into sport mode and select 3rd gear. From what I've been given to understand, tunes can't tap into the sport mode.

So, does sport mode use the same engine tuning and just change shift points?
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Ok, quick question:

In order to do a dyno pull in 3rd gear, you have to put the car into sport mode and select 3rd gear. From what I've been given to understand, tunes can't tap into the sport mode.

So, does sport mode use the same engine tuning and just change shift points?

Correct, The shift tables are their own separate part of the tune, so the performance aspects can be adjusted without them.
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So then the tunes won't be able to show up on a dyno they will all be the same since they're in sport mode and tunes don't affect sport mode...
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Ok, so the engine performance stays the same in both sport mode and regular drive mode. Only the shifts change.
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So then the tunes won't be able to show up on a dyno they will all be the same since they're in sport mode and tunes don't affect sport mode...
No, "sport mode" is just a set of tables in the tune that tuners cannot change.

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Ok, so the engine performance stays the same in both sport mode and regular drive mode. Only the shifts change.
Correct, "sport mode" only refers to the shift schedule.

There are several tables that make up a tune, literally every parameter has its own set of tables. Ignition advance, OL fueling, CL fueling, load and VE tables... Basically the "sport mode shifting" is just a set of tables the tuners do not have access to change. They can still change all other tables in a particular tune regarding performance.
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What about on a 2012 since we don't have "sport mode"


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Thanks for clearing that up guys.
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That i dont know, i dont even know how they lock it in gear to do the dyno so it doesnt down shift.
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That i dont know, i dont even know how they lock it in gear to do the dyno so it doesnt down shift.
He turned my Tc off and set the computer too 6900 rpm.

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The graph comparison looks interesting. Seeing the stock tune jump past both the MPT and Steeda tune in hp @3500 rpm. Not sure what the MPT trq line is doing but the steeda and the MPT increase trq by 20 ft lbs over stock very down low
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But if it's in sport mode on the Dyno the tunes don't work ... They only work in D I'm pretty sure they don't tune for sport mode


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It's on drive on the dyno not sport mode and Tc off.

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The graph comparison looks interesting. Seeing the stock tune jump past both the MPT and Steeda tune in hp @3500 rpm. Not sure what the MPT trq line is doing but the steeda and the MPT increase trq by 20 ft lbs over stock very down low
Yeah I'm confused on this one...

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Ya if he was in Sport than all 3 runs should have been the same. There are noticable differences between the 3. Like just in the AFR alone the MPT goes lean about 13.1-13.3 where it should be hovering around 12-12.3 like the Steeda. I'm interested to read what Sakib has to say on this.


I just realized that the graphs aren't even posted. Shunc, mind posting those up?
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Sorry, very busy at work. Will answer more in depth later. Quick and dirty response: no, the runs should be different even on sport mode. Read what Voltwings said, there is more to the tune than the shift schedule. Sorry, I gotta go asap, will get back on late tonight.

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Ya if he was in Sport than all 3 runs should have been the same. There are noticable differences between the 3. Like just in the AFR alone the MPT goes lean about 13.1-13.3 where it should be hovering around 12-12.3 like the Steeda. I'm interested to read what Sakib has to say on this.


I just realized that the graphs aren't even posted. Shunc, mind posting those up?
I'm using steeda now but just couldn't feel as strong as my Mpt. Do you guys think I should use my Mpt since it was running a little lean? Here's the graph

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Here's the graph I have the whole data in my email but I don't know how to post it here.

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