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Old 09-17-2014, 03:47 PM   #1
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3.73 or 4.10?

I'm getting ready to replace my gears, But I'm not sure if I should go with 3.73 or 4.10. It's a v6 auto. Current mods include cai, bama tunes, Ford racing exhaust, eibach suspension, brembo brakes, eibach anti sway bar . Any feedback would be appreciated.

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Dude, Get 4.10 if you don't really care about your gas mileage... They will put a huge grin on your face.

I can still get around 19mpg if I want to, But who wants 19 MPG?!?!?!
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The gearing in the automatic is already very aggressive. Your car will be shifting much more than it needs with 4.10s. My vote is 3.55 or 3.73
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Yea I really don't care much about mileage ... I work two minutes from home! Lol! Hell yea, can't wait to to get them! Do you know the hp gains with these gears?

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Yea I really don't care much about mileage ... I work two minutes from home! Lol! Hell yea, can't wait to to get them! Do you know the hp gains with these gears?

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Yea I really don't care much about mileage ... I work two minutes from home! Lol! Hell yea, can't wait to to get them! Do you know the hp gains with these gears?

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Around 100 butt HP! Lol

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Yea I really don't care much about mileage ... I work two minutes from home! Lol! Hell yea, can't wait to to get them! Do you know the hp gains with these gears?

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You don't get any HP gains.

It just magically makes the car faster! !! hehe.

Order a new tune for the 4.10's before you get them... Then as soon as you install the gears, retune the car to avoid your speedometer over reading. It'll be reading 120mph at around 60mph.
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I think I have more research to do!

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You've come to the right place.

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Just because the car is "revving" faster, does not mean its going faster. Your best bet for an all around gear is a 3.55, maybe 3.73 on the auto. Keep in mind, as long as your on the stock torque converter, the gains will be diminishing after a certain point anyways.
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I'm getting ready to replace my gears, But I'm not sure if I should go with 3.73 or 4.10. It's a v6 auto. Current mods include cai, bama tunes, Ford racing exhaust, eibach suspension, brembo brakes, eibach anti sway bar . Any feedback would be appreciated.

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I vote 3.73s, it will get you in the power band fast and keep it there. I was debating the exact same thing as you, 3.73s/410s but was also considering 3.55s. I went with 3.73s because of the minimal difference between 3.55s and 3.73s with mpg, except it will pull a bit harder of the line. That being said I have seen some auto guys on here running 4.10s and loving them, so I'd say do more research like you mentioned and decide which gear is best for you.

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Just because the car is "revving" faster, does not mean its going faster. Your best bet for an all around gear is a 3.55, maybe 3.73 on the auto. Keep in mind, as long as your on the stock torque converter, the gains will be diminishing after a certain point anyways.
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Personally I think 3.55's sound like the best bet on these autos. That's what I'll be going with. Nice balance between all gears. Plus if your upgrading from 2.73's you will still notice a huge difference. I imagine 4.10s would just be way too much.
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Currently running 4.10.... if I go for a turbocharger, do I need a 3.73?

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Currently running 4.10.... if I go for a turbocharger, do I need a 3.73?

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From what I have read on this forum 3.31's would be the ideal gear for a turbo setup.
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1st gear in the 6R80 is huge, 4.10s are idiotic to put in with this trans. The old guard 4R autos had a 2.84 1st gear so 4.10s made more sense. The 6R has a 4.17 1st gear. Running 4.10s in a 2011-up is like running a 6.xx rear gear in anything prior to that.
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I'm getting ready to replace my gears, But I'm not sure if I should go with 3.73 or 4.10. It's a v6 auto. Current mods include cai, bama tunes, Ford racing exhaust, eibach suspension, brembo brakes, eibach anti sway bar . Any feedback would be appreciated.
I think you'll be really happy with either! I went with 3.73's because my 2011 GT is Manual. If I had an auto I would personally go with 4.10's.

I would just think about gas mileage if I were you. If you don't care all that much about it then go with 4.10's for sure! If you'd like to keep it a bit more calm a 3.73 set up will be perfect.

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^Again, this is old school thinking and does not hold up with the 6R transmissions. I'd leave the 3.15s in if it was a GT. For a V6, might need a little more bottom end but not much with that 4.17 first gear.
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^ 4.10s in the auto is pretty equivalent to 3.73s in the manual.

That being said, if you do a bunch of Highway driving I'd probably stick with 3.55 or 3.73.
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I agree with you and Dan, Scotty remember that your comparing transmissions that are paired with totally different motors than the old 4.0 and 4.6 where power was down low and not starting at 3500 rpm. I can't speak for the 6 speed autos but 3.73s are excellent for the manual.

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I agree with you and Dan, Scotty remember that your comparing transmissions that are paired with totally different motors than the old 4.0 and 4.6 where power was down low and not starting at 3500 rpm. I can't speak for the 6 speed autos but 3.73s are excellent for the manual.

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I am talking about the auto, not the manual. The 6R80 is the auto in the 2011-up V6 and GT cars... I never once mentioned anything about the sticks.
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Scott your name seems pretty accurate. If you race and don't live on the highway, go 4.10's. It's the best drag gear for the A6 V6 unless you're running a turbo. I'm running 3.55's but if most of my mileage wasn't highway it would be 4.10's.
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Scott your name seems pretty accurate. If you race and don't live on the highway, go 4.10's. It's the best drag gear for the A6 V6 unless you're running a turbo. I'm running 3.55's but if most of my mileage wasn't highway it would be 4.10's.
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I am talking about the auto, not the manual. The 6R80 is the auto in the 2011-up V6 and GT cars... I never once mentioned anything about the sticks.
Lol, I know your talking about auto's, but your missing the point. Other than first being a tad shorter in the auto the manual has shorter gears from 2nd to 6th, this is why Dan said he has 3.73s in his 11 manual but would have gone 4.10s if it was an auto. If I had an auto I would definitely go with 3.73 or 4.10s after having a manual with 3.73s.

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Tell me why a 4.10 is the best? Is it because its the highest gear? Why not grab a 4.55 then, or a 5.30? There comes a point of diminishing returns. For the GT guys its 3.31 on the stock converter... that means you will see ZERO increase in ET going over a 3.31 on the stock converter, Mike Roush (well respected A6 tuner) did a write up on this over on SVTp.

I would like to see times for a 3.31 auto, 3.55 auto, 3.73 auto, and 4.10 auto. I bet they will all be a LOT closer than yall think.

We put a 3.73 in my GFs old auto v6 because that was what was available to us at the time. With intake / tune / 3.73 (as well as all supporting suspension / tire) her car ran a best of 13.7 @ 102 with a 2.0 60'.

There are obviously a ton of variables here, from DA to grip levels to tunes, but there it is, lets start seeing if we can get some consensus.
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Tell me why a 4.10 is the best? Is it because its the highest gear? Why not grab a 4.55 then, or a 5.30? There comes a point of diminishing returns. For the GT guys its 3.31 on the stock converter... that means you will see ZERO increase in ET going over a 3.31 on the stock converter, Mike Roush (well respected A6 tuner) did a write up on this over on SVTp.

I would like to see times for a 3.31 auto, 3.55 auto, 3.73 auto, and 4.10 auto. I bet they will all be a LOT closer than yall think.

We put a 3.73 in my GFs old auto v6 because that was what was available to us at the time. With intake / tune / 3.73 (as well as all supporting suspension / tire) her car ran a best of 13.7 @ 102 with a 2.0 60'.

There are obviously a ton of variables here, from DA to grip levels to tunes, but there it is, lets start seeing if we can get some consensus.
For obvious reason you shouldn't put 4.10s/4.56 in a 500hp+ car that's kinda a ridiculous example. Second we are talking about a 3.7 that has 305 HP that is a little low on tq. Biggest complaint about our 3.7s stock........balls slow off the line. Some common sense has to be applied to any gear selection when doing a swap, it comes down to what the driver wants/needs. This is why there is plenty of ratios to chose from. BTW who mentioned that 4.10s were the best? I must have missed that one.

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No one said anything about 500+ whp cars? Also, my comment on the GTs was to prove a point, that just because you put a steeper gear in a car does not "make" it faster. If you run through your power band too quickly and dont actually use any of that power, you havent really done yourself any favors...

However, it seems 4.10 is just blindly the rule of thumb around here, which is why i suggested trying to compile some times for other gears, and see the differences. Or at least try. I for one wouldnt waste my time with that steep of a gear, but to each his own.
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No one said anything about 500+ whp cars? Also, my comment on the GTs was to prove a point, that just because you put a steeper gear in a car does not "make" it faster. If you run through your power band too quickly and dont actually use any of that power, you havent really done yourself any favors...

However, it seems 4.10 is just blindly the rule of thumb around here, which is why i suggested trying to compile some times for other gears, and see the differences. Or at least try. I for one wouldnt waste my time with that steep of a gear, but to each his own.
Edit, thought you wrote ford GT guys, my mistake.

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No one said anything about 500+ whp cars? Also, my comment on the GTs was to prove a point, that just because you put a steeper gear in a car does not "make" it faster. If you run through your power band too quickly and dont actually use any of that power, you havent really done yourself any favors...

However, it seems 4.10 is just blindly the rule of thumb around here, which is why i suggested trying to compile some times for other gears, and see the differences. Or at least try. I for one wouldnt waste my time with that steep of a gear, but to each his own.
I am also talking about 3.7s not 5.0s

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Edit, thought you wrote ford GT guys, my mistake.

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Can we say that 4.10 JUST accelerates faster but doesn't literally mean that you will be faster mph/ kph wise on your 1/4 run.... ??

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No, because that doesn't make sense?
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I mean it accelerates faster but tends to lose some speed since it's out of the power band...

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I mean it accelerates faster but tends to lose some speed since it's out of the power band...

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Maybe use "quicker" and "faster". Quicker = time, Faster = MPH. So it will accelerate in a shorter amount of time, but the top speed it reaches will be compromised.


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Old 09-18-2014, 01:00 PM   #35
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I think you're getting hung up on what the gears actually do, but its also impossible to be accelerating faster while losing speed.

The rpms will be moving faster, yes, (maybe thats what you mean by "accelerating faster") but that does not mean you are going faster. Think about a mountain bike, i'm assuming everyone here has ridden a mountain bike. Put it in the lowest gear and you can pedal as hard and as fast as you want ... but are you going anywhere? lets say thats a 4.10 for the sake of example. Next, lets assume you have it in the highest gear possible... pretty difficult to get going isnt it? Think of that as your 2.73. Somewhere in the middle there is that best all around gear to make the most of your given horsepower (lets say leg strength) that will give you the best of both worlds. I think thats a pretty good way of looking at it.
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